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Title: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 14, 2008, 05:19:34 PM
we have an 8v92t with high valve covers, no jakes

my local truck junk engine guy says he has a complete set of jakes for me.  when i asked, he said out of an 8v71.

can i use them?  how about part of them, buy the rest fo the parts from jacobs.  i'm tryin to save some money and he wants $400 for all under the valves.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: makemineatwostroke on November 14, 2008, 05:26:15 PM
Manasst, look on the housing of the Jake if it is stamped 71 and 92A on the top they will work hard to find a set now days just for a 71 series 

make sure the solenoids are the right voltage those suckers cost about 80 bucks each X 4   have a great evening


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: TomC on November 14, 2008, 09:17:57 PM
The actual Jake units are the same, but I believe you have to have different valve bridges between the 71 and 92.  Maybe Don Fairchild could chime in here.  Good Luck, TomC


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: JackConrad on November 15, 2008, 04:21:51 AM
Tom,
    As was mentioned, the actual Jake solenoids will work, but you will need 92 series bridges. If you get them make sure you also get the fuel jumper lines and longer bolts that bolt the Jakes to the heads, as well as the buffer switch and electrical wires.  Jack


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: luvrbus on November 15, 2008, 06:21:25 AM
Tom, always buy new jumper lines it is not worth the gamble on useing old fuel lines I made that mistake once ( was told not to btw ) and wound up with a crankcase full of fuel.I changed my gear ratio to 3.36 from 3.70 and the Jakes are not much help till 3rd gear now fwiw  good luck


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: PP on November 15, 2008, 04:04:56 PM
I can't help you with your question, but FWIW, I couldn't imagine driving my bus without Jakes. Love em, got to have em  ;D ;D


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: bcaddel on November 17, 2008, 06:50:00 AM
My son-in-law put a set of Jake Brakes on our 8v-71 two weeks ago. They came off of a 8v-92 he has sitting in his garage and they work great. I did have to spend almost $1,000 for parts like the different fuel cross over tubes, 24v solenoids and some longer bolts ($80 each). The new fuel cross over tubes are the ones with the "o" rings and I must have got one in wrong because I have about a quart more oil in the crankcase than when I started out on our trip over Donner this week-end. I will have to resolve that issue this week-end.

There is a 6% grade that last about 5 miles coming off of Donner Pass into California and I flipped the jake switch and the bus held 60 mph all the way down. I have read about the Jake Brakes for quite a while and I am a definate believer in them now that I have used them. Coming up and over Donner back to Reno was a different story though, 27 MPH up that same grade. Wish I had put the entire engine instead of just the Jake Brake.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 17, 2008, 09:06:45 AM
Tom,

They will work for he most part. You'll have to change your valve bridges, possibly your fuel lines, and might have to change some electronics depending on if they are 12 or 24 volt. Obviously, you need 12v for the Eagle. If you want to use high idle, then it gets a little more complicated.

I have PM'd you several times over the past 3 months telling you that we can help you with Jakes. Not sure if you are getting them or not. I am helping out Don Fairchild and we can get you all the Jakes you need.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Sam 4106 on November 17, 2008, 04:49:46 PM
Hi Songman,
Are the Jakes the same on both right hand and left hand turning engines? How much does Don charge for a complete set of Jakes for a GM4106 with 8V71 left hand rotation engine, with 12 volt solonoids, buffer switch, driver control switchs, and the rest of the parts needed for a conplete installation. The kit would need to be shipped the me for local installation. I don't want to make another trip to the west coast without Jake brakes. I smoked one of the rear brakes on highway 14A going down into Ten Sleep, Wyoming and don't want a repeat of that experience. Kind of made my wife nervous for the rest of the trip. E-mail address will be in my profile if I can figure out how to put it in, or you can PM me if you know how to do that from this board. I don't know how to do that.
Thanks for your help, Sam 4106


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 17, 2008, 05:06:01 PM
songman, pm in your mailbox.  thx.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 17, 2008, 11:45:12 PM
Tom and Sam,

I will talk to Don and get back with both of you. It may be a few days because we are on the road on the way to Seattle for a show. I will get details and prices for both of you.

Thanks,
Dale


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 19, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
i just got a rough price quote from ww williams for installing a used set of jakes on my 8v92.  they figure.  i'm trying to figure if i can afford jakes and installation before i buy a set just to let them age on the shelf.
they figured 30 hours to install at $103 per hour, plus $1700 for parts for the buffer switch ($500) and fuel lines ($1200).

they siad they would have to dismantle radiator, and get the wires back from the front.

i thought jacob's had a video showing jakes install in about 1 day by a sales engineer.  i realize a bus is just a tad tougher than sitting in an open hood truck or bulldozer.  but 20 hours more??

anyone have a thoughts or suggestions?
guess i'll have to lose weight a little and learn how to do it myself.  :(


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: luvrbus on November 19, 2008, 05:47:13 PM
Tom, the wire is already there for the Jake on your model 15 I will look the tag number up for you, I bought new fuel lines for my 8V92 from Stewart and Stevenson last year for less than 200 bucks and the fast idle buffer switch was less than 300 bucks and it does take a little over a day to install for us non pros. 1200 dollars for fuel lines is 75 bucks each never have I saw them for over $15.00 and that was from a local shop that bought it from Williams             good luck


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 19, 2008, 05:54:30 PM
you installed yours yourself, luvrbus?  not that i would try it myself, but ...

Nick told me his took 10 hours to install, and cost him $500.  that sounds more than reasonable to me.

my 15 has a different engine from the original.  still high valve covers, but no jakes, no buffer switch and maybe, no wires?  i know the switch is still there though.

thanks for the info on parts.  if i can get the basic under valve cover jakes from someone, then i'll look for the other stuff.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: luvrbus on November 19, 2008, 06:04:28 PM
I installed mine and your 15 will have a wire from the factory for the jakes at rear the 15 has more room than my 05 in the engine compartment with a 8v92 stuffed in it      good luck


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: larryh on November 19, 2008, 06:08:45 PM
Manasst if your going to pay that amount your getting hosed take me about 8 hours if nobody has screwed up the throttle assbly just make sure they kiss you too get your moneys worth. usually right about 500 for installation and about 500 for used jakes but I recommend the new crossover fuel lines and make sure rack is run and timing set to specs.

should end your grade problems any any roads I've been on in USA I've come down most grades with 450,000 lbs and never hit brakes once of course I had three tractors 500 hp Cats and jakes all around 38 axles and 8 wheels per axle except fronts and drivers 4 each there and only 2 on front axle 242 tires all together . can't attach picture as too big \.

LarryH


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Dallas on November 19, 2008, 06:21:57 PM
Tom,

I believe the fuel lines are about $6 or less from PC industries...

http://www.powerlinecomponents.com/partscat.htm

And the install shouldn't take much more than a day or two, depending on how many Coronas are involved and whether you actually want it to work.
For a slightly lower price, I have an 8 track tape and an old tape player.. the tape has a jake brake sound effect on it from a Pete 359 with a 12V71/w 5X4 air shift and 2-8" straight stacks. you could put it through your PA system with about 6 outside speakers and a 1000W amplifier!  :D ;D


Dallas



Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 19, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
thanks guys, i get it. 

i tried to question the original amount of $5000 for parts and installation, told them to just be honest and say we don't like working on old buses, but he said that's really what they figured it would take to install the jakes and get the wire harness run front to back.  without the wiring, dropped the labor to about $2400.

still tooo rich for my blood by a long shot. 

Dallas and luvrbus, i'll check those companies for parts.  i don't mind helping do the jakes and supplying the coronas, just don't want to blow the engine or get stuck on a hill with no brakes suddenly.  and my skills aren't really mechanical, so i'm just the fetch person on this probably.

thanks for all the comments.  as usual, this board is filled with helpful heroes.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: John316 on November 19, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
If you have the money, from what we have found, the WW Williams has done great work (which is very hard to come by). They should know what they are talking about. We haven't had much experince with them, but what we have had has been good.

I'm not sure that my response helps much... ::) ;D

God bless,

John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 19, 2008, 08:13:19 PM
Tom, we haven't gotten the specific prices yet because of still being out of town, but Don and I were talking about it and we can put brand new Jakes on for you for a lot less money than they are quoting you for used! That is ridiculous! Of course, that would involve you bringing the bus out here and I know you didn't want to do that.. But even if you can just find someone to do the install, or learn enough from Clifford and others to do it yourself, we can still save you a chunk on the actual parts!


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: luvrbus on November 20, 2008, 04:46:24 AM
Tom, I would buy a complete set from Don that way there would be no chasing or waiting on parts that can be expensive from places as you found out and Dallas in his travels could install the units for you.   good luck


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: JackConrad on November 20, 2008, 05:09:17 AM
Tom,
   We can run all the wires while ya'll are at our place (while the "sisters" are up to no good LOL). I may have an almost complete set of Jakes for sale this spring very reasonable.  Jack


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: edroelle on November 20, 2008, 08:38:58 AM
Tom,

The fellow that put my jake in my MCI 8 is near you in Ohio.  I will check with him and see if he can do the engine work - since he is retired.  As Jack says, running wires is relatively easy.

Ed Roelle


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: makemineatwostroke on November 20, 2008, 08:53:37 AM
Like Lurbus said the wires will be there on a model 15 mine were     

have a great day


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: junkman42 on November 20, 2008, 08:56:17 AM
Tom, log on ebay and query detroit diesel.  There is a complete set of jakes for sale cheap.  John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 20, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
Tom, log on ebay and query detroit diesel.  There is a complete set of jakes for sale cheap.  John

thanks, i saw it but i dont' have a 71.  apparently there are differences, so i'm not sure how much the set is worth cause some of it is not usable on my 92.  i'm waiting for songman to get me info?


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 22, 2008, 03:33:39 AM
and the jakes for the '71 which also had parts that would work for a 92 went for more than i bid.  if i could get a set for my needs for $700 from the local guy, then i figured ebay should be about $550.  nope, somebody that needed more went to about $600.

oh well.  sometimes sales works, sometime not.  i sold an inverter for a good price on ebay, but so far, haven't sold a brand new winegard antenna that is excess inventory at $200 below my cost.!!  gees.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: JohnEd on November 22, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
Tom,

If the Weingard is that "bat wing" affair that cranks up and down.....that is one great antenna.  It also has a little "RF Pre Amp" in it that can be switched in or out.  The PA works really surprisingly well and lets you long distance TV stations.  The ability to turn the antenna lets you "focus" in on the one station you want.  Great  hardware and will work fine with the new digital signals.  I have had one for 18 years and wouldn't think of using anything else that is out there that I am aware of.

Good luck with your sale.  Oregonconversion is just starting to do his bus and might be in the market for a good antenna.

John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 24, 2008, 07:53:24 AM
Don and I are home and will be back in the office today. I'm going to start working on Jake prices for everyone that has asked so I will be in touch.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 24, 2008, 11:50:32 AM
Jake information deleted because you can't answer a question about where to get something without some people thinking they are the internet police. Just trying to help out a bus nut who was looking for Jakes for months. The others of you who were asking will have to look on the Eagles International forum to get the information.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: John316 on November 24, 2008, 01:54:12 PM
Dale,

Thanks for all of your work. I will get that model# for you tomorrow. The bus won't be done until tomorrow :(.

God bless,

John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 24, 2008, 03:51:16 PM
somebody that needed more went to about $600.
.

This kit didn't have any of the required wiring or switches. It's a good starting kit but by the time you buy the extra stuff you will still have $900+ in it for used, not rebuilt.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 24, 2008, 06:54:30 PM
Okay... Finally got some time to figure out some pricing. We can cover just about anybody's needs with either new or used. John316, I have already talked to you about the set for the 60 Series.

---

If you want a rebuilt set, the price is $950 for everything except the valve covers.

If you want a brand new set, the price is $1600 for everything except the valve covers.

These prices include a standard buffer switch. If you want the buffer switch for high idle the price would be higher. That switch is very expensive.

If we can help you out, send me a PM with your shipping info so I can figure shipping costs. If you are close enough in SoCal, come on by and pick them up. We will be in New Orleans next week and may be able to bring some with us for anyone who is ready to buy and can meet us there.

If you have questions, you can also call us at 661-391-4520.

used is fine, i'll send the pm.  paypal or cc? or check?  can you deliver at Bussin 2009?  i'll be near NOrleans around jan 10, in case you want to install them there.
thanks.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 24, 2008, 07:49:46 PM
Sent you a PM, Tom.

Apparently there are some who think I might have violated the forum rules by letting Tom know that we had the parts he asked about here. If that is the case, the moderators have my permission, not that they would need it, to edit this post. I know it would be a violation if I posted ads in the mall for these but Tom asked and I responded. I don't see a violation. I see helping out a bus nut. I tried to reach Tom by PM months ago and for some reason the PMs didn't go through. So when he made the post here I told him I had been trying to reach him.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Songman on November 24, 2008, 08:51:12 PM
It's okay, wildbob24. You can stop the PMs now. I deleted the Jake info so you will not have to play forum police anymore. The other people who were asking in this thread will have to come to the Eagles International forum to get the info.

To all other forum members, please be careful about answering posts here for people needing help. If they are looking for something and you tell them where to get it you will start getting PMs.

And by the way, Bob, I am not making a penny off of Tom finally being able to get his Jakes. I just got the information for him.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 25, 2008, 04:45:39 AM
anybody got a complaint with me getting the help i needed on the question i posted, feel free to PM me.  all of the information is avail on my profile.  so is my email address. 

Dale, thanks for posting the information  *** I *** requested.  Because *** I *** couldn't figure out where to get what i needed anywhere else, and *** I *** had searched prior info on the board and followed some leads on ebay and local junk yards.

i don't understand the complaints anyone would have with what was posted.  We have moderators that are USUALLY diligent and USUALLY correct, and i didn't see any edits other than what Songman did.

If you had a competing offer for the Jakes, you had ample opportunity to jump in with a PM.  Up until a week ago, even my phone was posted.

So quit complaining and Have a Happy Thanksgiving.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: makemineatwostroke on November 25, 2008, 05:11:05 AM
songman; that was good info you were giving about the prices on the Jake's some i read give 800 bucks for a unit and then spend another 1000 bucks for parts to make it work BTW that is a fair price and Don is not going to buy much fuel selling at that price.   have a great day and remember you cannot please everybody but you did Tom


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: John316 on November 25, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
Dale,

Whoooooo is this "wildbob24"? I have never heard of the character. http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?action=profile;u=1640;sa=showPosts (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?action=profile;u=1640;sa=showPosts) I then ran a search on his profile, and that is what I came up with. As far as I know, he isn't a moderator, or anything. I think that it is a moderators job to contact you if something isn't supposed to be on the board...Not for a newbie member. Maybe he is trying to sell something, and wasn't allowed too. I don't know, I am sorry that he troubled you, Dale. Thanks for your work on the Jakes for us.

You are helping me. Thanks Dale. I, for one, appreciate the info.

I for one, wasn't complaining. Now if the one of the moderators asked you to remove the info, that is much different, and not a problem.

Happy Thanksgiving.

God bless,

John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: luvrbus on November 25, 2008, 05:20:28 AM
Goes back to the problem of putting a limit on the spare tire section it is wasted space on this board   
good luck


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: junkman42 on November 25, 2008, 06:31:55 AM
I would think that the person whinning would fit quite nicely in a condo in south florida.  Surely He must be joking?  Oh well some just can not be happy unless they make others miserable!  I apologize I have had one to many cups of high test this morning. John


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: Dallas on November 25, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
You didn't see me editing anything. In fact, I didn't see anything posted for sale. All I saw was a question and some answers given by another member.

In the meantime, if any member has a problem with what someone else has posted, please feel free to click on the icon in each post that states, "Report to a Moderator".

Thanks for your support!
Dallas



Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: cody on November 25, 2008, 10:41:26 AM
Unfortunately, some people arn't happy unless they are complaining about something, the fun doesn't normally start until the complainer has a problem and posts for some help, life can be good at times lol.


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: JackConrad on November 25, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I would think that the person whinning would fit quite nicely in a condo in south florida.  John

NO. NO, NO, we got too many of those already!!  Jack


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on November 30, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
just an update ... talked to Don on Friday, sent him the UPS label to put on the order, and told him the check would be in the mail.  Complete set of jakes except the valve covers.
mm2s, you are correct.  i don't think don will be buying much fuel for the profit he made on me.  Thank you Don.

now all i need to do is find someone knowledgeable who wants to install a set of Jakes with me or for me.  i'm reluctant to take williams up on their $3200.  Nick, i left a message for your guy near harrisburg, PA.  hopefully, he has a warm place to work, and i can stay in the bus overnight while we work on it.

i'm heading to florida, i hope, in a few weeks.  i'd like to use those jakes on the way.  or we can install them in florida or anyplace warmer than ohio.

got any suggestions? 


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: wvanative on November 30, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
just an update ... talked to Don on Friday, sent him the UPS label to put on the order, and told him the check would be in the mail.  Complete set of jakes except the valve covers.
mm2s, you are correct.  i don't think don will be buying much fuel for the profit he made on me.  Thank you Don.

now all i need to do is find someone knowledgeable who wants to install a set of Jakes with me or for me.  i'm reluctant to take williams up on their $3200.  Nick, i left a message for your guy near harrisburg, PA.  hopefully, he has a warm place to work, and i can stay in the bus overnight while we work on it.

i'm heading to florida, i hope, in a few weeks.  i'd like to use those jakes on the way.  or we can install them in florida or anyplace warmer than ohio.

got any suggestions? 
Manasst, I ran across this guy and he is supposed to be a great guy to have do Jakes. You might want to call him and then plan to stop on your way to Florida.
 
Jake Brake Contact Terry Bennett at Bennet Bus Works in McMinnville, Tennesse. He installed our jake and is a great guy to work with. Number is 931-815-3080

WvaNative


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: uncle ned on November 30, 2008, 02:58:24 PM


   Call david at davids coach. One of the best and on your way to jack's. Also get to visit with me.

He keeps huggy running good which is a job in its self.

trl number 828 397 2456

He is located of i40 in nc.  on hy 18 just sdouth of morganton nc

when you go into his shop and can see yourself on the floor you know he will take care of your coach.

ned

huggy bear


Title: Re: jakes for 8v71 fit or not on 92?
Post by: white-eagle on December 01, 2008, 10:04:51 AM
 
 Manasst, I ran across this guy and he is supposed to be a great guy to have do Jakes. You might want to call him and then plan to stop on your way to Florida.
 
Jake Brake Contact Terry Bennett at Bennet Bus Works in McMinnville, Tennesse. He installed our jake and is a great guy to work with. Number is 931-815-3080

WvaNative

thanks for the tip, but i talked to Terry and he's no longer doing busses.  he "retired".  nice guy, told me about doing it, approximate time and costs, but not any more.  fyi.