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Title: Stuck on the side of the road - UP-DATE
Post by: El-Sonador on April 08, 2006, 08:53:22 PM
I just blew one of the belts that drive the A/C compressor. It intern it knocked the main blower belt off its pulley, The bus overheated but thanks to the over-temp sensor, the engine shut down automatically before there was any engine damage.

I carry a full set of spare belts, But I could not figure out how to change them on the side of the road... It looks to me that the rear bumper has to come off to allow space to access the bottom main pulleys.

Does anyone know how to replace a full set [3] belts on a 1981 MCI-9 with 318N...

It is Saturday night and I still have 2,000 miles to go... Please help if you can.

Thanks
El-Sonador [aka Steve]


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 08, 2006, 09:06:20 PM
Call me at 731-885-7460 and I'll explain it! no bumper should not have to come off! I've encountered several variasions of peoples rigging on slack adjusters that is why it is easier for me to tell ya over the phone then we can post which way worked after you are safely rolling down the road again! Bryce aka Busted Knuckle  :)


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 08, 2006, 09:27:47 PM
Call me at 731-885-7460 and I'll explain it! no bumper should not have to come off! I've encountered several variasions of peoples rigging on slack adjusters that is why it is easier for me to tell ya over the phone then we can post which way worked after you are safely rolling down the road again! Bryce aka Busted Knuckle  :)


Nice talk'n to you Knuckle... In the morning I'll take some photos of the problem area and you will be able to see my dilemma.
I'll watch for your future post about help down South Texas way...

Thanks again
Steve


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 08, 2006, 09:31:02 PM
Hey Don or some of you other south Texas guys, maybe ya'll could help El-Sonador out! He's in McAllen and from what we discussed his back bumper is so close to the pulley on his 8V71 theres no room to get abelt past it! Like I told him gettin the old 1 off is as simple as cutting it! But that won't hepl him get a new 1 on! He's out of my area and without being able to actually look at it, it's hard to tell what he needs to do! maybe ya'll know someone knowledgeable in the area he's in he could call! Bryce aka Busted Knuckle
 
 


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: JackConrad on April 09, 2006, 05:38:34 AM
I recently had the same problem with a 102A3. When I removed the AC compressor, it was very difficult to get the belts out from between the crankshaft pulley and plate that is behind the bumper. It almost seems like when the engine was re-installed, it should have been pushed about 1/4" further in on the cradle. Jack


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: Sammy on April 09, 2006, 07:07:40 AM
Try Stewart & Stevenson Power Inc, 956-787-3812  - 24 hour number.
They are in Pharr,Texas
Here's one more: Valley Transit, 956-787-3812 or 956-423-4710 EXT. 210
They're in Pharr, Texas too.

I'd try to loosen the bolts that hold the bumper to the coach, just enough to sneak the belt on.

Hope this helps............... 8)


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - Help!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 08:56:41 AM
Try Stewart & Stevenson Power Inc, 956-787-3812  - 24 hour number.
They are in Pharr,Texas
Here's one more: Valley Transit, 956-787-3812 or 956-423-4710 EXT. 210
They're in Pharr, Texas too.

I'd try to loosen the bolts that hold the bumper to the coach, just enough to sneak the belt on.

Hope this helps............... 8)

UP-DATE

I called Valley Transit, but because I'm private I had to call the head office - ext 210
No one in so I left a message
 - Waiting -


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Footloose on April 09, 2006, 09:18:39 AM
What RV Park are you in Steve?
I don't have any local garage recommendations but there are (2) of us NUTS here in Mission and we may be able to put or heads together  to get you back on the road.

Call me 581-8807


Footloose


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 09:29:37 AM
I posted a new topic by mistake called... LOOKING FOR BUS NUTS IN SOUTH TEXAS...
I thought I was adding a reply to this post - sorry for any confusion

I explained the mistake and referred posters over to this topic...

The message was...

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Looking for Bus Nuts in South Texas...

I'm looking for anyone that has or knows anything about MCI-9's 8V71's, or can recommend a good service shop [that can do road service] in the Rio Grande Valley area of South Texas.

Yesterday I was making my way from Mexico to Canada when I blew a drive belt on the A/C compressor. It knocked off the other two belts, took out the right side tail light wiring, damaged the temperature sending unit and broke a small airline going to the A/C compressor's slack adjuster. Unable to do road side repairs, so I had the bus towed to an RV resort near McAllen Texas, concrete pad, lots of room. My unit is an automatic so I had to pull the drive axels out for towing to protect the transmission.

Desperately need help to put everything back together so I can get back on-the-road-again [as Willy would say]... Cool

Any help to find any assistance in this area would be greatly appreciated.

- Still waiting to here back from Valley Transit -


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 09:33:22 AM
What RV Park are you in Steve?
I don't have any local garage recommendations but there are (2) of us NUTS here in Mission and we may be able to put or heads together  to get you back on the road. Call me 581-8807
Footloose


Nice talking to you Footloose, I left word at the guard shack to let you both  in if you can make it by this afternoon.

Much appreciated...

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
Hey Steve I see from the posts that you are getting some response! Also as Jack pointed out the engine and cradle assembly in some of these buses may not get pushed all the way back in (when someone has had the engine out!). It also occurred to me that although I've never seen it that if not checked and left with loose U-bolts the cradle could actually work its way back toward the rear bumper over time! Might wanna check this out, while ya at it! If it ain't all the way in might could use a come-along from the front and pull it back toward the tag axle and then retighten the U-bolts holding the cradle in! Also if a person has access to a forklift you can put a large block of wood where the engine mounts into the cradle and show it with the forklift! I don't have a forklift so when putting engines back in I cheat and use the wheel lift on my tow truck to push on a block! Just a couple more ideas! Hopefully ya'll get r done! And if ya need anymore off the wall ideas to bounce around you can call me, maybe I'll think of somethin else, but after Jack's words of wisdom I'll bet it's along those lines where the problem lies!  ???


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 10:24:37 AM
Hey Bryce...

Been a long night for me, waiting in the middle of nowhere for a wreker, [that had to bring one in from Corpus Christie, TX] then having them take out my axles, then the 100 mile tow to a secure place. :'(
I have been busy this morning making calls and setting up a make-shift shop to attempt these repairs.

I'll take some photos soon and get them posted so you can see what is happening.
"Loose u-bolts" and "engine sliding back" is a scary thought -  ???
I will check it out and let you know if there is any evidence of movement.

THANKS TO ALL AND MAK PUBLISHING FOR ALL THE HELP SO FAR...

Steve



Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Nick Badame Refrig/ACC on April 09, 2006, 10:33:16 AM
El-Sonador,

I hope everything works out Ok for you, I'm very happy with the responce of our members! And you are in the hands of our most knolageable ones!

I myslef am on the Cape May Lews Ferry traveling from a visit with Bruce Knee, Back to New Jersey. The thought of breaking down always is more presant when you are

actually in your bus traveling!!

Keep us posted!

Nick Badame-


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 09, 2006, 10:42:44 AM
Looks like you are getting lots of info and help, I am in La Feria just down the road, got a cutting torch and some tools, let me know if I can help.  Call me at 956 797 3282


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 10:52:05 AM
Looks like you are getting lots of info and help, I am in La Feria just down the road, got a cutting torch and some tools, let me know if I can help.  Call me at 956 797 3282

Footlose is over in Mission, he has a MCI-8 and said he will be coming by this afternoon.
A cutting torch may be needed, but not sure at this point...
You are more than welcome to drop by anytime and have a look.

I'll call you with the info

Thanks for your help

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 10:56:15 AM
Looks like you are getting lots of info and help, I am in La Feria just down the road, got a cutting torch and some tools, let me know if I can help.  Call me at 956 797 3282

Hi Don...

I tried calling, but no answer.
If you want to just stop by anytime, I'm over in Donna at Victoria Palms, tell the guard that you are going to visit Steve at site 2372... I'll let them know you may be coming and to let you in.

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: DrivingMissLazy on April 09, 2006, 11:32:40 AM
El-Sonador,

I hope everything works out Ok for you, I'm very happy with the responce of our members! And you are in the hands of our most knolageable ones!

I myslef am on the Cape May Lews Ferry traveling from a visit with Bruce Knee, Back to New Jersey. The thought of breaking down always is more presant when you are

actually in your bus traveling!!

Keep us posted!

Nick Badame-

Nick, what do you think of that hanger that Bruce has his bus in? Awesome, I think.
Richard


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Nick Badame Refrig/ACC on April 09, 2006, 01:30:50 PM
Richard,

Bruce has an awsome setup for his bus. [and walts bus]

What a hell of a guy too, And his girl Karen and my wife Michelle also got along great! [I think it's mutual love for cats!]

If it were not for the ferry, I would be able to make it to Bruces in about 20-25 min. Oh well, Ferrys are Kool!

Nick Badame-


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 01:39:39 PM
OK - Here is the latest scoop...

Footlose was here from Mission [many, Many, MANY thanks] and we worked on making room to get the belts on and off.
As most of you know we have a bumper with a rubber guard attached [kinda like very large rubber trim]. Then we have a box beam cross-member that runs inside the bumper and is bolted to the frame at either end and is Not attached to the bumper.

This aluminum cross-member is resting against the main pulleys and a few water lines also. [not good] and has to be cut out. Spacers between the frame mounting brackets can then be fabricated and then inserted allowing the cross-member to sit further inside the bumper and  away from the pullys, allowing the much needed space for the belts, pulleys, waterlines etc...

This cross-member is made of 1/4 inch aluminium plate and measures about two inches deep by 12 inches high and runs the full length of the engine compartment doors or about 53 inches long. The nuts that hold it to the frame brackets are accessible [kinda] but the head of the bolts are burried between this cross-member and the inside of the bumper. Any attempt to remove the nuts causes the bolts to turn and therefore cannot be undone. These bolts should be cut off with a torch, hopefully freeing the cross member. Not much room to work there, but someone skillful just might be able to get it done. Failing that, get in there with a small cutting wheel or saw of some kind and cut the cross-member up into pieces until we get to a point that it will be out of the way. [very tight place to work with a cutting wheel or saw, but maybe doable]

 - apparently aluminium cannot be cut with a torch-

I question the need for this aluminum cross-member at all... apart from some slight additional stabilizing of the frame, I see no real use for it... If I was ever hit in the @$# end.... 1/4 inch aluminium would do nothing to protect the engine compartment. The mounting brackets for the box beam are attached to either side engine rails and may provide slight stability for the extended engine rails at that furthest point - maybe??? - but I hate to think that my 8V71 is that dependant on a piece of aluminium!!!

ANY THOUGHTS WOULD BE WELCOMED, NOW THAT WE HAVE ZEROED IN ON THE PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH WERE NOT ABLE TO PHYSICALLY SOLVE IT TODAY.
LOOKS LIKE IT IS CUTTING TORCH, WELDING AND HYDRALIC JACK TIME.
I GUESS I'M DOWN AND OUT FOR AWHILE... 
MAY HAVE TO LEAVE THE BUS HERE AND FLY HOME... :'(
VERY SAD...

Steve


PS... there was a comment to check to see if the engine had moved on the rails... Absolutely Not.






Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 02:34:15 PM
Glad too see that someone close is able to help ya! I e-mailed Don directly and also posted a help needed msg. for ya over on BNO! Hopefully ya won't be down to long! It still puzzles me about that bumper being so close to the engine, just glad to know that the engine and cradle are where they belong! That had me worried a little although I never seen it happen, but I can see how it could over time if someone didn't get those u-bolts tight or they looosened up over time! Knuckle  8)


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Footloose on April 09, 2006, 02:54:14 PM
 ::) Hey Steve, sorry we could not come up with easy solution.
Again, I think the root of your main problem is the trailer hitch and the way it was installed.
 As you pointed out, the  bottom edge of the aluminum plate was cut out to clear the hitch tube but it should have been cut at least 1/2 inch (or more) higher to clear the vertical plate that was welded on the front side of the 2" hitch drawbar. I am not sure that cutting the aluminum plate on each side will allow it to move enough vertically, and then to the rear enough to clear this steel plate that is retaining the bottom of same.

Another thought!!!
It occurred to me after we left that you may be able to get a small angle grinder(with cutting blade) in beneath the belt pulley to cut out enough of the aluminum plate allowing it to clear the top of the hitch tube vertical.  I can't really recall how much space you had there?
Once that is out of the way, the plate can be sprung in enough to get the old belt out & new one over the pulley.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 02:55:03 PM
Glad too see that someone close is able to help ya! I e-mailed Don directly and also posted a help needed msg. for ya over on BNO! Hopefully ya won't be down to long! It still puzzles me about that bumper being so close to the engine, just glad to know that the engine and cradle are where they belong! That had me worried a little although I never seen it happen, but I can see how it could over time if someone didn't get those u-bolts tight or they looosened up over time! Knuckle  8)

THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT BRYCE.

WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PHYSICALLY SOLVE IT.
LOOKS LIKE IT IS CUTTING TORCH, WELDING AND HYDRALIC JACK TIME.
BUMBER AND EVEN THE TRAILER HITCH MAY HAVE TO BE CUT OFF
I GUESS I'M DOWN AND OUT FOR AWHILE...
MAY HAVE TO LEAVE THE BUS HERE AND FLY HOME...  :'(
VERY SAD...


Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 03:14:43 PM
::) Hey Steve, sorry we could not come up with easy solution.
Again, I think the root of your main problem is the trailer hitch and the way it was installed.
 As you pointed out, the  bottom edge of the aluminum plate was cut out to clear the hitch tube but it should have been cut at least 1/2 inch (or more) higher to clear the vertical plate that was welded on the front side of the 2" hitch drawbar. I am not sure that cutting the aluminum plate on each side will allow it to move enough vertically, and then to the rear enough to clear this steel plate that is retaining the bottom of same.

Another thought!!!
It occurred to me after we left that you may be able to get a small angle grinder(with cutting blade) in beneath the belt pulley to cut out enough of the aluminum plate allowing it to clear the top of the hitch tube vertical.  I can't really recall how much space you had there?
Once that is out of the way, the plate can be sprung in enough to get the old belt out & new one over the pulley.


I totally agree... I can really see what needs doing when I crawled under the bus. There may be room for one of those Dremel tool things, the kind that hobbits use. May burn through a few cutting wheels - good thing it is only aluminum.
A bottle jack or hydraulic spreader may work also, to bend up that section of the beam to clear the hitch plate. It should then just snap backwards if we can lift up that 1/4 inch needed.
This is definitely not a one man job and cause I'm flying solo, it was great to have you come out and help.
I think I may have to fly home for a few weeks and deal with it when I return.
When you break down, and you are alone, is a very sad feeling :'(

When I return, I will get together all the tools and stuff to do this.
If you are still around and still want to help lick this thing with me, would be absolutely great.

But in any event, thanks again for all you tried to do, I guess this one has defeated me..

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 09, 2006, 05:16:30 PM
You should have let the phone ring, it gives you my cell nr in the machine answer.  I have several angle grinders with lots of wheels, an acetylene torch, a Milwaukee sabre saw, you are welcome to any of them.  I can be there tomorrow with it if you are still going to try some tricks before you leave, if not we can do it when you return..


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Ross on April 09, 2006, 05:57:41 PM
Would it be easier to just remove the bottom pulley?


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
You should have let the phone ring, it gives you my cell nr in the machine answer.  I have several angle grinders with lots of wheels, an acetylene torch, a Milwaukee sabre saw, you are welcome to any of them.  I can be there tomorrow with it if you are still going to try some tricks before you leave, if not we can do it when you return..

I'm always up for "one more try" not matter how down I may get... :)
I'm heading to the local auto parts store first thing in the morning. Need to pick-up a small brass compression fitting for that broken air line, some liquid gasket maker so I can re-install my drive axels and I am on the hunt for some bottle jacks or hydraulic spreaders because if my idea to bend up that beam a 1/4 inch works, then we might be able to complete this without too much cutting work at all.
So if you don't mind getting a little dirty, then I would love the help. Should be back around 10am, if all goes well. Let me know what time you could be here and I'll make sure that I'm back by then and advise the guard shack that you are coming out.

Steve
PS... Are you here all summer...???


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 06:09:16 PM
Would it be easier to just remove the bottom pulley?

Nope... the way it is now Ross, you can't get a wrench in there AT ALL...

Just spoke to DON/TX and we are going to give it a shot tomorrow, will let you know how we made out.

Thanks for taking the time to offer any and all suggestions -
This MAK Publishing Bulletin Board and all the advice and help I have received so far has been wonderful, to say the least, and very much appreciated...

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 09, 2006, 06:59:45 PM
I have to go to Pharr tomorrow anyway around noonish or a bit after, so will throw in a couple of items and the torch, just in case that might help.  See ya at Victoria Palms!


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 07:04:52 PM
I have to go to Pharr tomorrow anyway around noonish or a bit after, so will throw in a couple of items and the torch, just in case that might help.  See ya at Victoria Palms!

Excelent, see you then...

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 07:08:18 PM
May be too late to help, but, there is another way to get belts on the engine without cutting anything.   May sound cornball, but by removing the air cleaner (to gain access to the street side U-bolts), alll six of the cradle u-bolts could be removed and the cradle would slip forward enough to get the belts in place.   The driveshaft slip joint will allow that much movement.  Have to watch the upper heater coolant hose, but kink the has and it'll give enough too.   Cannot think of anything else that would have to be removed.  Could be done in a couple hours.  The air filter is not difficult to remove if you know how it comes out.   The U-bolts could be loosened and left hanging...they are easy to get in and out.   Exhaust and other connections have enough flex to move with the engine.  Accessories are attached to the cradle and will move with it.  
If you have a reinforcing crossmembe beneath the bell housing, remove the bolts in the sides and leave the crossmember attached to the cradle.  
The engine could be levered forward and cabled back (Wal-Mart come-along?) using the hitch as a pulling point.  Don't need but about 3/4"?
The rear bumper obviously needs be repositioned so that belts could be changed whenever necessary.
Be CERTAIN that the battery disconnect is OFF if you decide to do this.    
Good luck, JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 07:18:28 PM
One other tidbit of info, if you move the cradle, the rearmost (as in "rear" of bus) cradle anchor bolts locate the cradle.  They will have to be loosened and pushed laterally away from the cradle.   The cradle won't move unless these upside down "T" bolts are pushed away from the cradle.    All the rest can be left hanging, but loose.  The U-bolts are located by nuts that resemble wheel lugs....be sure that if they are removed, they are reinstalled with the 'cone into the cradle brackets, and that they are not overtightened, damaging the cradle.   
Best, JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 07:47:45 PM
Steve I believe the spreader thing you are refering to is a porta-power, I have one that would do the trick, it is a set of jaws that when you put pressure to them they spred apart! But I'm a little far away and someone should have one simular available! Best wishes, and now that Don is there to the rescue I'm sure ya'll get it someway or another! Knuckle 


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 08:09:50 PM
You mean like a Port-0-Power?  They have all sorts of wedges, rams, extensions.  Portable, easy to use, cheap if Chinese.  Northern toos carry the cheapos.   Work well for a while if stored properly.   
Just don't  Portopower off your harmonic balancer...that would a mistake.
JR 


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 08:14:38 PM
Steve I believe the spreader thing you are refering to is a porta-power, I have one that would do the trick, it is a set of jaws that when you put pressure to them they spred apart! But I'm a little far away and someone should have one simular available! Best wishes, and now that Don is there to the rescue I'm sure ya'll get it someway or another! Knuckle 

Porta-Power, that's the name I was looking for. I'll try to rent or buy one tomorrow. Very handy that thing.

I have to be back in Canada [Niagara-on-the-Lake] in a few days so I booked a flight back for this Wednesday. and a return flight heading back to the bus in Texas on the 26th. So what we can't get done in the next few days, we can finish when I get back. I really believe that if we can just push up on that beam it should just spring back inside the bumper just enough to get it done. But you never know how metal will react sometimes.

Will keep you posted.

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 08:18:40 PM
You mean like a Port-0-Power?  They have all sorts of wedges, rams, extensions.  Portable, easy to use, cheap if Chinese.  Northern toos carry the cheapos.   Work well for a while if stored properly.   
Just don't  Portopower off your harmonic balancer...that would a mistake.
JR 

Yes thats what I mean like a Port-O-Power but the 1 I have says Porta-Power on the case and it's not a Chinese cheapie! I bought it off the Mac Tools Truck probably 15 yrs ago and still works as well as the day I bought it! Knuckle  ;D 8)


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 08:18:55 PM
You mean like a Port-0-Power?  They have all sorts of wedges, rams, extensions.  Portable, easy to use, cheap if Chinese.  Northern toos carry the cheapos.   Work well for a while if stored properly.   
Just don't  Portopower off your harmonic balancer...that would a mistake.
JR 

harmonic balancer?

What's that - and how do I avoid it

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 08:21:08 PM
Steve, are your axle bearings covered with blank caps?  Try to keep the dirt out of the hubs.   Be sure that your diff lube is up to the fill plug once the axles are reinstalled.
Want some diff lube out in the wheel bearings.   Busted Knuckly has the dilly on the hub bearings.
JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 08:30:34 PM
[Yes thats what I mean like a Port-O-Power but the 1 I have says Porta-Power on the case and it's not a Chinese cheapie! I bought it off the Mac Tools Truck probably 15 yrs ago and still works as well as the day I bought it! Knuckle ;D 8)
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Hello Busted Knuckle, yep, I was anwering Steve at the some time you were.  I wasn't aware of your post...or I wouldn't have responded.    ;)   RE: the Chinese blather, the market is full of cheap Chinese stuff, but it works.   Also saw where Steve was consideriing using bottle jacks to move something....check the jacks before you buy.  Most inexpsensive jacks won't jack when layed on their side.   Must be vertical.   Good American jacks will jack on the side.   Porta Power will jack in any position. 
Nice tools.
Cheers guys, JR    my bedtime!   


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 09, 2006, 08:31:26 PM
Steve, are your axle bearings covered with blank caps?  Try to keep the dirt out of the hubs.   Be sure that your diff lube is up to the fill plug once the axles are reinstalled.
Want some diff lube out in the wheel bearings.   Busted Knuckly has the dilly on the hub bearings.
JR

You could say they were "covered" I used a piece of cardboard when we took out the axels for towing. Tapped a hammer on the studs slightly, just to mark them and then held the cardboard in place with the nuts. This worked as both a cover and helped keep most of the oil in. After the 100 mile tow there was no oil slashes anywhere. Just a small pool in the bottom of the rim from sitting overnight.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 09, 2006, 08:41:10 PM
There is a Harbor Freight close by if you want to buy a porta power Steve, just go West on US 83 to 10th street in McAllen, then North a half or three quarter mile, on the right (east) side of the street.  I sold mine recently, so cannot furnish one.  If you are not acquainted with Harbor Freight, you can shop at:   www.harborfreight.com
Lots of good stuff for a person in need.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 08:43:20 PM
The harmonic balancer is the drive pully located on the end of the crankshaft for the AC and cooling blower belts.   The balancer has weights specifically located to dampen crankshaft harmonics.   It serves several functions.  It is sorta fragile and cannot be bumped on or jacked with porta power to gain space.   If your trying to pull or push the bumper back a little, the engine block would be a better place to push from.  Using a ram.  Watch out for the oil pan lip, and other electrical parts that could be damaged if the Porta power slips.  Portapowers will jack several thousand pounds so be cautious.  Something will give.  You want the bumper to go first.
Is the 8V71 and original install?  Perhaps the engine is not in the correct location?  
Resolution is at hand....one way or another!  Youll find yourself back on the road soon.
Best, JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 08:46:01 PM
You bring a very good point I should have already mentioned the axle covers, before now! If they aren't covered which I highly doubt they are, I'd just slip the axles back in for now to keep dirt and what ever out till ya get the silicone to seal 'em. Then get ya 2 old 1 gallon oil or antifreeze jugs, the sorta flat style like Rotella T, or just about all antifreeze comes in, and cut out the square part on the front around where the label part is and ya got instant through away catch pans that sit perfectly in yer wheels with the cap part furthes in to sorta catch in the dip of the wheel! Then make sure you clean the axles and hub surfaces good, then make sure ya got plenty of extra grease and pour some in leting it ru back out this should float any contaminates out, then reclean the hub surface use plenty of sealant toward the out side out the hub(so the extra squeezes out of and not into the hub! yes alittle might go in but try to keep most of it out!) Then re-install the axles!  On a ( you should be okay, if it were a 102 you'd need to pull the little square plug out of the axles and add lube after putting them in! Most 9's don't have these plugs as they are sufficeintly lubed from the pumpikn section. But if yours has the plugs it won't hurt to add some to the hubs!) Once done with putting the axles back in comes the fun part of getting under the rear end and removing the plug with a 1/2" drive rachet or breaker bar and adding fluid until it starts to run out then quickly put the plug back in! Any questions don't hesitate to call an ask! Knuckle

:) ;) 8)


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 09:08:08 PM
While you're gathering tools, find a 9/16" allen socket that will fit onto a 1/2" pull handle.  You probably have a 9/16" hex plug in your diff.   An allen socket looks like a socket with a big allen wrench bit.    You could use a piece of 9/16 hex bar stock also.  Just whack off a piece maybe 2" long and stick it into a socket.  Viola...special tool.
Hypoid 140 is used in my diff.   BustedKnuckle  will have that knowledge. 
It's academic, but be careful under the bus.  Don't crawl on the ground under an aired up bus that isn't blocked. 
With the bus aired up, the frame member between the rear drive and tags can be blocked with a 6X6 and a little cribbing.  Very quick safety measure.   If ya'll got a pit to work over, no problem.
 JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 09, 2006, 09:25:01 PM
Ahhh as I recall he got towed into a RV park so I'll bet the pit is out! Although I have one down in the shop that I don't know how I ever managed with out it! And I can assure you I don't ever plan to do with out again! Now on that plug I ain't say'n it won't be a 9/16 hex but most of them I've dealt with are just a 1/2" square drive like a rachet or breaker bar and maybe an extension! But if it is a 9/16th there is still another way to beat that trick which is to take a 9/16th head bolt and put a double nut on the end of it and use it in a 9/16 socket cheaper than buying one (although if that is the style plug ya have it'd be handy to have just for checkin the fluid from time to time! If your not sure what fluid the rear end has in it now (probably just plain ol heavy duty gear lube) I'd just get the heaviest weight gear lube they have in stock and top it off with that it'll be fine because you shouldn't have lost that much! "Knuckle"


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 09, 2006, 09:39:17 PM
Yep.   That's what I thought...1/2" plug....but, as with many things, wrong again.  I had to get back out and go find a peice of 9/16 hex stock and cut a section out.    Worked fine.   But that's what my NJT had...now NJTs are an odd breed.  There are lots of little crap things that are just different.   But NJT recommends Hypoid 140.   I'm not sure what others are using.  Doubt there would be any problem with HYP 90.   I keep 140 around for my John Deere.   Buy it in 5 Gallon cans.  8)
 
Good Night Alll  :D !


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 06:37:41 AM
The harmonic balancer is the drive pully located on the end of the crankshaft for the AC and cooling blower belts.   The balancer has weights specifically located to dampen crankshaft harmonics.   It serves several functions.  It is sorta fragile and cannot be bumped on or jacked with porta power to gain space.   If your trying to pull or push the bumper back a little, the engine block would be a better place to push from.  Using a ram.  Watch out for the oil pan lip, and other electrical parts that could be damaged if the Porta power slips.  Portapowers will jack several thousand pounds so be cautious.  Something will give.  You want the bumper to go first.
Is the 8V71 and original install?  Perhaps the engine is not in the correct location? 
Resolution is at hand....one way or another!  Youll find yourself back on the road soon.
Best, JR


Got Ya - I'll try and becarefull around there... Thanks...

For a while, I thought it was a term used to describe the perfect wife or husband...  ;D

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 10, 2006, 09:39:31 AM
Wow Steve you were up way to early for me the only time I get up that early is if the phone rings (usually a call for a tow truck or service call!) or if I'm on a charter, but since I da main guy in da shop! I'm usually last out on a charter! (unless of course I get requested or like the case of head'n to FL. with a Frat. mom & dad don't care much for partiers or letting it happen on their bus (which just had a $4,500 new interior, & a $4,500 new video system installed!). So since we know college kids and they said they didn't mind putt'n up a damage deposit(so they could have alcohol on board) THEY GET MY BUS! Which ya know really tears me up to have to take these kids to the beach for thier spring break parties! It's a tough job but someone's gotta do it! LOL  ;D, By the way I was up that early this morn'n cause the phone did ring! Another bus nut in trouble as a matter of fact! Well hope you and Don get it together so ya can get r goin! "Knuckle"


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 10, 2006, 01:49:56 PM
Any luck guys? I thought of a way just a few minutes ago! As I said before Steve when it comes to pushin engines in I use a big block o wood right on the circle where the craddle mounts to the block an push against it with my wheel lift! If ya want I'll bring the wrecker down and we can push there with the wheel lift while I hook both cables to the bumper with snacth blocks back to the lower D-rings on the wrecker bed an I guarantee we'll make some clearance for them belts to slide in no problemo! Knuckle! ;D :D 8)


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 02:06:19 PM
Hey Steve hows it coming on yer bus? I haven't seen any updates posted! Just curious!
"Knuckle"

OK... here is the latest up-date.

This morning I picked up a tube of Gasket Maker to re-install my drive axels.
Found a brass compression fitting to repair the broken air line.
And a few other neat toys including a 4 ton Porta-Power Set.

Don aka "Magic Torch" and help from that Porta-Power set, we were able to finally remove that dreaded beam and the rear bumper. The trailer hitch didn't help at all, as it was always in the way or blocking one thing or another at every turn, but we made it.

The remaining old belts are now off and the new belts are "almost" on. By almost I mean they are a tad shorter than the old ones, [probably due to stretching over the years?] so me thinks the slack adjusters need to be adjusted slightly. I'm about a 1/2 to 1 inch short to get over the pulley flanges.

The sun has come around to the back of the bus where I was working, so I came in to get cooled down and take a break.

My plan is to finally get the new belts fully on, then cut the bumper slightly to avoid the trailer hitch in the event it happens again. Then re-mount the bumper, fix the damage caused by the broken belt, like the curb-side tail light cluster, small air line going to the A/C compressor's slack adjuster and crimp on a new terminal for the Temp sending unit.

After the above work is done, barring any belt alignment issues etc, I should be "good-to-go"

Are there any issues or things I should know about belt alignment or adjusting the tension on the belts by way of the air assisted slack adjusters...?

Steve

PS... To Don/TX and his wife Geneda - many, Many, and MANY thanks.......



Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 10, 2006, 02:29:19 PM
Steve I think if you'll air up the bus and turn the lever controling the adjustment cylinder it'll suck the cylinder in further if ya don't have a source of air other than the engine it self just make sure that the belts are outta the way and start the engine long enough to build air it won't run long enough to hurt any thing! Once the new belts are on you might have to adjust them! Once on I'd  eye ball 'em if they ain't dog legged or anything you should be good to go! Knuckle  ;D


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:13:10 PM
Steve I think if you'll air up the bus and turn the lever controling the adjustment cylinder it'll suck the cylinder in further if ya don't have a source of air other than the engine it self just make sure that the belts are outta the way and start the engine long enough to build air it won't run long enough to hurt any thing! Once the new belts are on you might have to adjust them! Once on I'd eye ball 'em if they ain't dog legged or anything you should be good to go! Knuckle ;D

Got the blower belt on, but I had to disconnect the upper pulley linkage arm going to the air cylinder. She seems a little tight with no air in the bus, but it is on.

I had to put both A/C belts on first as they are forward of the blower belt. - I pried up on the A/C compressor as much as I can to allow the max play in those belts, but I'm still a little short - plus the furthest forward belt has to jump over one pulley to get to it's position, then I can get the 2nd A/C belt on.

Should I un-couple the slack adjuster linkage arm on the A/C compressor also... That big old compressor will be just pivoting on the one hinge at the bottom... ? ? ?

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:16:51 PM
PS -----

The upper blower air cylinder is almost all the way in - no more room to suck in more...

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:36:13 PM
www.niagarawireless.com/mybelts/ac_air_cylinder.jpg


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
www.niagarawireless.com/mybelts/ac_compressor.jpg


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:42:44 PM
www.niagarawireless.com/mybelts/main_blower_belt.jpg


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:43:44 PM
www.niagarawireless.com/mybelts/main_drive_pulley.jpg


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:44:36 PM
www.niagarawireless.com/mybelts/upper_air_cylinder.jpg


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 03:46:42 PM
Check out the above photos of the belts and stuff in the previous 5 postings

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 05:17:20 PM
I guess everyone is probably tired of hearing about my problems by now but I did manage to get all the belts on, axels in, airline fixed, temp sensor repaired...

Just have to re-install the bumper.

Does anyone have any objections if I toss that aluminum beam... ? ? ?

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: NJT5047 on April 10, 2006, 05:47:38 PM
Does anyone have any objections if I toss that aluminum beam... ? ? ?

Yep.  I got a problem with losing the crossmember.  That beam is a structural member that stabilizes the rear cradle and frame.  What you could do is space the thing away from the coach with 1' spaces or some such.  Big flat washers would get you back home.  The bumper would offer some support, but the aluminum crossmember should be reinstalled. 
Best, JR


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 10, 2006, 06:43:47 PM
Something to consider in his case, someone WELDED a 10000 lb receiver hitch on the two frame rails!  That heavy square tubing is probably twice the strength of that little aluminum piece anyway.  Steve had initially suggested the spacers, but between the welded hitch and the bumper pipes, one could suggest the aluminum piece would serve no purpose.  We never did figure out why that motor pulley was so close to that aluminum piece, a real puzzle there.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 10, 2006, 07:22:07 PM
Steve, email me, my email address is on the card I gave you.  Been talking to MCI people for an hour or two.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 07:25:52 PM
Steve, email me, my email address is on the card I gave you. Been talking to MCI people for an hour or two.

Just sent off an email to you...


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 10, 2006, 07:29:52 PM
JR's right it should be there but spaced out at leasr 3/4" or more! I just got home, had to run to Paducah for a while this afternoon! Congrats on gett'n r done! After you get 'er fired up with air on try dumping the valves! If they don't give you enough free play to remove an replace to belt they need to be! A belt change on the side of the rd. should be as easy as twisting the tension levers and swapping belts and re-twisting tensioner levers! Good luck get'r home before spending mega time on her!
 ;D Knuckle  ;D


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Footloose on April 10, 2006, 08:13:09 PM
Something to consider in his case, someone WELDED a 10000 lb receiver hitch on the two frame rails!  That heavy square tubing is probably twice the strength of that little aluminum piece anyway.  Steve had initially suggested the spacers, but between the welded hitch and the bumper pipes, one could suggest the aluminum piece would serve no purpose.  We never did figure out why that motor pulley was so close to that aluminum piece, a real puzzle there.

I agree Don, If that hitch assembly don't keep the rear frame members stabilized, nothing will!!!
Steve, glad to hear you got it back together & sorry we couldn't be of more help.
Also, if you ever need any heavy duty truck  parts, try Burton Automotive on Business 83 in McAllen.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 08:17:34 PM
JR's right it should be there but spaced out at leasr 3/4" or more! I just got home, had to run to Paducah for a while this afternoon! Congrats on gett'n r done! After you get 'er fired up with air on try dumping the valves! If they don't give you enough free play to remove an replace to belt they need to be! A belt change on the side of the rd. should be as easy as twisting the tension levers and swapping belts and re-twisting tensioner levers! Good luck get'r home before spending mega time on her!
  ;D Hey Knuckle  ;D
Don may have some interesting news about why I am having so much problems doing what should of been a simple road-side belt replacement...

Did you get that email I sent to you...? ? ?

Steve


                                                               


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 08:28:19 PM
Something to consider in his case, someone WELDED a 10000 lb receiver hitch on the two frame rails! That heavy square tubing is probably twice the strength of that little aluminum piece anyway. Steve had initially suggested the spacers, but between the welded hitch and the bumper pipes, one could suggest the aluminum piece would serve no purpose. We never did figure out why that motor pulley was so close to that aluminum piece, a real puzzle there.

I agree Don, If that hitch assembly don't keep the rear frame members stabilized, nothing will!!!
Steve, glad to hear you got it back together & sorry we couldn't be of more help.
Also, if you ever need any heavy duty truck parts, try Burton Automotive on Business 83 in McAllen.

No need to apologize... It wasn't your normal everyday repair. Lots of strange goings on... no room for some reason - trailer hitch placement etc...
Like I just mentioned to BK, this should of been a simple road-side repair - I had new spare belts with me for that reason... who could of guessed it would of been this involved. But at least it will be done right for the next time...

I hope you guys stay in touch and you are more than welcome to drop by anytime I'm in the valley...

Thanks

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 10, 2006, 08:37:44 PM
Better not put up a photo of your fancy playground there Steve, the whole darned board will be wanting to visit you.


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 08:47:24 PM
Better not put up a photo of your fancy playground there Steve, the whole darned board will be wanting to visit you.

That's a great idea.... maybe we could have a little get-together, a Bus Bash or something down here in the Valley next winter for a few weeks.
I look out my window, and all I see are 5th-wheels....  ::) ::) ::)

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 10, 2006, 08:54:45 PM
Hey Don...

Don't forget to let me know what time for MCI so I can tell security...
Unless those pictures I sent to you would do it for him...

Last day here tomorrow, then I'm flying out. Not back here until the 26th.

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 10, 2006, 08:56:31 PM
Better not put up a photo of your fancy playground there Steve, the whole darned board will be wanting to visit you.

That's a great idea.... maybe we could have a little get-together, a Bus Bash or something down here in the Valley next winter for a few weeks.
I look out my window, and all I see are 5th-wheels....  ::) ::) ::)

Steve

Sticks and Staples!?!?!? are you sure you want a bunch of bus nuts and a bunch of stick and staplers together????? Ha Good Luck! Knuckle!


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 07:03:49 AM
Hey Knuckle... Got your email and if everything goes well I'll pass by your place on my way home, sometime around mid May...

even if its just to say Howdy and have a few beers....

Steve



Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 07:19:56 AM
Lot of talk about engine position on the engine rails...

Well, this morning I got her fired up and and everything seems to working fine.
All slack adjusters working, but they could use an adjustment for future easy belt replacement, but it seems good for now.

I took a closer look at those engine rails and U bolts, and noticed the rear "FIXED BOLT"  is angled back about 2 inches [from top to bottom]. the other 3 U bolts are in an assortment of angles, some angles back, but not too much and one is straight up-and-down [the way it should be.]
The main FIXED BOLT one at the rear of the rail is really angled back as far as it will go and even strain on its hinge attached to the frame under the rail. If, and I say "IF" this bolt was to be positioned straight up and down and centered on its lower hinge, then the engine would be forward about two inches. There could be a valid reason for this, I don't know - like a re&re of a different transmission at one time, different drive shaft length or just a lazy mechanic... I have no idea why. But that's the scoop.

I just need to figure out a way to re-bolt that bumper on and I can hit the road...
DON/TX - maybe you would have a solution for this, as you have seen it up close and know what I'm facing]

Steve


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 07:56:14 AM
HEY DON/TX...

I HAVE YOUR SPARKER FOR YOUR TORCH SET HERE AT THE BUS...

STEVE


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Don/TX on April 11, 2006, 08:36:23 AM
What you said is EXACTLY what Jim and I figured out last night from his MCI9 and a flashlight!  I think it is best if we can figure a way to pull that cradle back to where it belongs, don't forget that also mis aligns the belt pulleys as well as other things.  I would suspect that if the drive shaft and other things are OK with movement, that new Porta Power toy you bought should put it back where it belongs.
Have a great trip tomorrow!


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 09:07:40 AM
What you said is EXACTLY what Jim and I figured out last night from his MCI9 and a flashlight! I think it is best if we can figure a way to pull that cradle back to where it belongs, don't forget that also mis aligns the belt pulleys as well as other things. I would suspect that if the drive shaft and other things are OK with movement, that new Porta Power toy you bought should put it back where it belongs.
Have a great trip tomorrow!
Hey DON...

ALL belts look like they are aligned. I did a quick survey and if the engine was to be moved back two inches, the the blower belt would come very close to rubbing where it passes up into the blower compartment. Also the power steering reservoir would come very close to the drop down bulkhead where the row of rear seats were mounted.

I don't think this problem will be total figured out until the "Weight Challenged" lady signs... lol

I fly out in the morning for Huston then Chicago then finally Buffalo, take a cab across the border and I'm home, only $94.00 on SouthWest

I'll call you when I get back in a few weeks.
Maybe we can figure out that bumper thing then.
At least I will be mobile and I'll work on that engine position when I get to a shop.

Thanks for your help... I can't say that enough...

Steve


Title: NOTE TO ALL THAT HELPED OUT ON THIS ONE..
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 09:27:37 AM
NOTE TO ALL THAT HELPED OUT ON THIS ONE...

I like to thank all those that helped out, offered possible solutions and made this entire experience bearable.
One of our worst fears is breaking down on the side of the road and it is absolutely fantastic to know that there are a bunch of "Nuts" out there willing to help out a stranger.

A special thanks to...

Nick Badame Refrig. Co.
Busted Knuckle
Footloose [and company]
Sammy
Dallas
JackConrad
NJT5047 [aka JR]
Don/TX
Ross
DrivingMissLazy [aka Richard]
plyons [aka Phill]

and the MAK Board...

Hope this is a big start to a lasting friendship...

El-Sonador [aka Steve]




Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 11, 2006, 09:34:08 AM
Steve the rear "T" bolts are what are supposed to line up the cradle position. And "MOST of the time" if the cradle is pushed all the way to the built in stops at the rear of the rails, those inverted "T" bolts flip right up into their slot perfectly! Sounds as though for what ever reason such as any you mentioned or other the engine and cradle assembly has been moved back! The drive shaft should have enough movement in it''s slip-yoke to accomadate this however it also could be slipped out almost to or past it's "safe" limit! At any rate ya need to make sure that the olts holding it in are tight  in whatever position  you decide to go with so it won't move! Personally I'd want to make that cradle sit as far forward as it originally was meant too, then make other adjustments to the less important componets!  As ya said Ya got my # and E-mail call, drop a note, or drop in  anytime! Best to check ahead a day or 2 , to make sure I'm here, but if I ain't here I can assure you I won't be gone long! Thinks go nuts if I get away to long!
  ;D   Knuckle  ;D


Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 09:38:33 AM
Steve the rear "T" bolts are what are supposed to line up the cradle position. And "MOST of the time" if the cradle is pushed all the way to the built in stops at the rear of the rails, those inverted "T" bolts flip right up into their slot perfectly! Sounds as though for what ever reason such as any you mentioned or other the engine and cradle assembly has been moved back! The drive shaft should have enough movement in it''s slip-yoke to accomadate this however it also could be slipped out almost to or past it's "safe" limit! At any rate ya need to make sure that the olts holding it in are tight  in whatever position  you decide to go with so it won't move! Personally I'd want to make that cradle sit as far forward as it originally was meant too, then make other adjustments to the less important componets!  As ya said Ya got my # and E-mail call, drop a note, or drop in  anytime! Best to check ahead a day or 2 , to make sure I'm here, but if I ain't here I can assure you I won't be gone long! Thinks go nuts if I get away to long!
  ;D   Knuckle  ;D

Sounds like a plan BK....
If you are not there when I get there, then I'll just set up camp and go fishing in your pond until you arive...  ;D ;D ;D

Steve



Title: Re: STUCK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD - HELP!
Post by: El-Sonador on April 11, 2006, 11:12:35 AM
Through all this it looks like I made Jr. Member...  ::)

One more breakdown and I'll get to be a Full Member...  ;D ;D ;D
But let's hope the next 50 postings will be to return the favour and help out someone else instead...
Much better plan...  8)

Steve


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - UP-DATE
Post by: El-Sonador on April 25, 2006, 09:16:57 AM
Just an up-date for those that have helped out with this.

I will be flying back to my bus in the morning [Canada to Texas] to finish the re-install of my rear bumper... then hopefully head out on the road again with a stopover in TN to visit Knuckle...

Hey BK, I heard you did a run down to FLA, how did that go...

Steve


Title: Re: Stuck on the side of the road - UP-DATE
Post by: Busted Knuckle on April 30, 2006, 10:07:07 AM
[Hey BK, I heard you did a run down to FLA, how did that go...

Steve
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Steve it was terrible a bus load of young gorgeous hardbodys and guys, going down for there spring formal!Wlking around the hotel in what I barely call bikini's and inviting me to they're beach party's!!! Then 1 pretty llittle lady who was PO'd at her "date" because he was so wasted found me soaking in the hot tub, and insisted I get outta the tub n get dressed and join her at the dance "so she wouldn't be alone", then when the dance was over they all insisted on me joining them again on the beach for a late night after the party PARTY! well as a profesional driver I have to stand by the rule what happens in FL stay's in FL. If ya get the idea!
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