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Title: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
Well, my Ole Honda Gas generator decided to throw a rod right through the casing exactly in front of our property on return from our trip to the Keys.   It least it had the decency to wait until we got home.  :P

Well after much contemplating and consideration I broke down and bought a Powertech diesel generator.

I salvaged the original roller mounts and supports from the home built slide and made a few changes.

I added an extension that allows the generator to completely slide out for full access to all parts, yet the extension is completely removable and stows easily out of the way.

Here are a few pictures of what I did...."Click on pictures to enlarge"

Cliff


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This picture is of the extension as it was being fabricated.

The slide bracket on the inside is 1 1/2" square tubing, welded on top of that is 1 1/2" angle with rollers at 4" centers.

The 1 1/2 square tubing has angle welded to the side which is bolted through the steel floor supports.

The extensions are 1 1/4" square tubing with 1 1/2" angle on welded on top.  The 1 1/4" fits snug in the 1 1/2", but slides easily.



Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:08:19 PM
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This is a picture from the side, the support going to the ground is only need if the generator is extended beyond the end.


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:10:33 PM
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Here is the support bracket removed.

It is held on with two bolts, when needed.

There is a recess it sits in so it cannot tilt.


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
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The slides, slide completely inside the built in slide componets and are easily stored.


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
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The slide extension painted and with the rollers installed


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:15:55 PM
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Getting ready to install the new beast


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:17:24 PM
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On the extension, completely out of the bay


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:18:13 PM
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Fully extended, another angle


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 06:20:52 PM
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Fully retracted and inside the bay.

FYI, the generator cowlings are off in all the pictures.


NEXT PROJECT.......new windshields


Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Dreamscape on June 16, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
Well done! I have never seen an extension before, great idea, thanks!

You just had to remind me that I need to do that for ours didn't you! It'll wait, bosses list comes first! ::)

Paul


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Tenor on June 16, 2009, 07:02:50 PM
That is super cool!  Do you have a method to keep the genset from rolling all of the way out of the slide during work?  I couldn't tell from the pictures.  If you dont, you could just put holes through both slide pieces and use pins and clips.  Thanks for the pictures!

Glenn


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 16, 2009, 08:20:28 PM
Well done! I have never seen an extension before, great idea, thanks!

You just had to remind me that I need to do that for ours didn't you! It'll wait, bosses list comes first! ::)

Paul

Paul,

I had planned on doing this with the previous generator, but it was lighter and I could easily get to everything, so it went on the back burner.

The diesel is much heavier and I wanted to be able to have 100% access to it pieces and parts, plus it made it easier to install, (didn't have to get the lift inside the side of the bus).

Its strong enough that I don't even need the brace unless I completely pull it out of the coach.

Every once in a while a plan comes together.... :P

Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Len Silva on June 17, 2009, 06:03:29 AM
I have seen a similar setup that uses a flip down boat trailer wheel as the front support.


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: kyle4501 on June 17, 2009, 06:31:51 AM
Don't you think it would have looked better if you had painted it gold.  ::)


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 17, 2009, 06:45:05 AM
I have seen a similar setup that uses a flip down boat trailer wheel as the front support.

Len,

I actually have an alternate brace I am working on using one of those trailer lifts.

I built that one for the perfect height to my barn floor, but the 2nd edition brace will have one of those.

If I ever "really" need it, I bet I won't be sitting at the house(murphys law) ;)

Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 17, 2009, 06:59:30 AM
Do you have a method to keep the genset from rolling all of the way out of the slide during work?  I couldn't tell from the pictures. 
Glenn

Glenn,

The rollers are good, but its heavy enough that it wont go anywhere without a tug or push.

When the outer brace was being built I used some longer bolts to hold it in place, these also turned out to be good  stops.  If they are put in with the threads towards the center it will stop the slide from going past the end.  With the threads toward the outside it will let the slide by for removal of the generator or let it extend out further.

Cliff  


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 18, 2009, 05:21:36 AM
Don't you think it would have looked better if you had painted it gold.  ::)

Maybe the generator.. ;D $$$$

I don't have much in the slide....it was all laying around just begging to be arced on... 8)

Or am I missing something  ???

Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: DSweet on June 18, 2009, 04:34:08 PM
You have given this old bus-nut some food for thought, the design is
very good and it gives me an idea of how to build "drawers" for my bays.
Blessings,
David


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: gus on June 18, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
Cliff,

Was your Honda an EV6010?

If not, what was it and how many hours did it have?

I didn't think Hondas ever threw rods!!


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 18, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Cliff,

Was your Honda an EV6010?

If not, what was it and how many hours did it have?

I didn't think Hondas ever threw rods!!

Gus,

It was a ES6500, which is the contractors version of the EV6010, in other words it came in a portable cage, but had the same engine and was watercooled.  Those things run around $4500 new.

I bought it a couple of years back from Pete (RTS/daytona).  I really don't know how many hours it had. I think he bought it used.  When I bought it had a little hesitation and we both thought it might need a carburater rebuild.   I had about 20 hours on it and it threw the cam shaft pulley while on the road.  I replaced that after driving 10 hours in July with no A/C to get home and the cam(it had wallowed out the key way, which was the cause of the hesitation) for about $250 in parts, my labor, and it ran good, no hesitation.   I had about another 100 hours on it when it threw the rod.  It cost me about 14.50 an hour to own it.  I am hoping for a little better cost/use ratio with my diesel.   :'(

Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Dave Siegel on June 19, 2009, 04:18:23 AM
Nice job Cliff. Looking at your pictures makes me wish I had more bay storage so I could roll out our Onan. I see how you coiled the electrical line, but how did you get the muffler to roll? Is it attached to the gen set as well?

Dave


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: FloridaCliff on June 19, 2009, 05:18:23 AM
Nice job Cliff. Looking at your pictures makes me wish I had more bay storage so I could roll out our Onan. I see how you coiled the electrical line, but how did you get the muffler to roll? Is it attached to the gen set as well?

Dave

Hi Dave,

The exhaust manifold is on the right side(towards rear of coach) of the generator, it faces down.  Because the generator slide gave me a little height, the exhaust will bend to inside the space, through a gap between the slide and the generator support plate, where it will run into a pipe union just beyond the entire slide/generator.  From there it goes through the floor, into the muffler and out the side.

With the union disconnected, I can pull the unit straight out.  The pipes on the generator and those through the floor are completely supported independently.

I am fortunate to have a good friend with a professional pipe bender, so we are making a second exhaust setup if I want to run it extended.  It will just hook onto the union.

Cliff


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Dave Siegel on June 19, 2009, 05:35:02 AM
Thanks for the explanation Cliff. Once again you did a fine job. I admire work like that.

Dave


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Chaz on June 19, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
Nice job Cliff! And you have given me yet MORE ideas!  (bitter sweet- Bitter for Linda, sweet for me!  ;D)
 One day I hope to pull the trigger on a diesel gen. also. One fuel is my goal. I'm just not sure I have the space. I may have to get "creative"!  ::) :D

  Chaz


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: gus on June 19, 2009, 06:46:39 PM
Cliff,

Thanks. I did about the same thing as you except I made a sled instead of using wheels.

The EV6010 is so well mounted that I saw no need for wheels.

So far I have 180 hrs since new without so much as a whimper, but, of course, for that money I would expect no less!!

It is quiet and vibration free, things my old Onan would not provide, and the Honda is less than half the weight.


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: John316 on November 12, 2009, 05:09:20 AM
Sorry to resurrect an old post.

However, Cliff, what did you do with your exhaust? How did you route that out?

God bless,

John


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: luvrbus on November 12, 2009, 05:53:13 AM
generator slides are nice but they do create  more noise mine had a SS flex pipe for the exhaust that was always a problem for me so I removed the slide and remote mounted the filters, radiator and oil drain.


good luck


Title: Re: New Generator and Slide Extension
Post by: Busted Knuckle on November 12, 2009, 06:17:29 AM
generator slides are nice but they do create  more noise mine had a SS flex pipe for the exhaust that was always a problem for me so I removed the slide and remote mounted the filters, radiator and oil drain.
good luck

Sweet idea. How come I didn't think of that ??? ?
;D  BK  ;D