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Title: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: ilyafish on August 10, 2009, 05:35:36 PM
I'm considering the switch.  And i know everyone has their own opinion.  I just want to hear it all :-)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 10, 2009, 05:52:03 PM
From my point of view, engines are the same, trannys are the same for both, you'll find 6v92, 8v92's and all the same options as with any other bus so from my point, I like the torslastic ride, absolutely smooth, no side to side roll like I've seen from air bags, slight porposing with some roads but still a very comfortable smooth ride. Bus will stay level day after day camping, no air bags to leak down lol.  The MCI crew will tell you that eagles rust away, I have very little rust on mine, I've seen far more rust on MCI's than on any of the eagles I've looked at, I also like the classic look of an eagle, when an eagle rolls into a town, people look and wonder what country star is inside, I've even been asked if anyone famous is in mine, I usually just whisper, "the swedish bikini team" and watch them crane their necks, eagles have the mystique of being the choice of famous people, with MCI, people think wow a bus conversion, somebody took an old greyhound and built a camper, it's a different mystique (thats the word for today lol).  Both make great buses, I've seen no scarcity of parts for either, either would make a nice conversion, it's all personal preference. The MCI crew will point out that they have some stainless steel but we have aluminum lol, and anyone that says SS won't corrode is misguided, I've seen plenty of it corrode, the key here is to find a bus that you like with the conbination engine and tranny that you want and check it over closely regardless of what brand it is.  I've seen where one MCI rusted so badly, the engine cradle broke in half, another factor to concider is that on MCI's the skin is structural, eagle can run down the road with all the skin off of it.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: John316 on August 10, 2009, 06:00:45 PM
eagle can run down the road with all the skin off of it.

So why the skin then? Why not just screen it in, to keep bugs out??? ;D ;D :D :D :D

God bless,

John


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 10, 2009, 06:06:08 PM
lol good question but I think dallas even has a video of one just tooling down the road, no skin lol, they have the truss style construction that makes that possible, the skin isn't structural, the screen house idea is interesting tho lol.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Dreamscape on August 10, 2009, 06:18:52 PM
I love our Eagle, because that's what we bought. If it had been a 4104, MCI other make it would be the same. I have always liked the looks of the Eagle, the ride is great. It was the choice of Entertainers in it's heyday.

Let's face it, all buses have issues, rust, mechanical the list goes on. It's really should boil down to what you like, how much money you have for the purchase, how much funds you have for maintenance and anything that comes up.

Some people that have Chevy's hate Ford's and vice versa. It is what turns you on and off.

They are money pits, ask any of us. But we wouldn't have it any other way.

The parts for Eagles are easy to get from a lot of sources, a lot of common parts that are on the shelf most anywhere.

Good Luck on what you choose, it's all about what you want anyway!

Check out my Photobucket site and you will see lots of pictures of Eagles, a few MCI's and Prevost, even a Flx in there.

BTW, we have owned our Eagle for almost 6 years and it's over 40 year old, first owned by The Dixie Echoes our of Florida.

Paul


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: NJT 5573 on August 10, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
You are buying an older bus, so I would buy the one that was in the best shape if I didn't have an otherwise preference.

I have a biased preference, but I have owned 2 Eagles and no MCI's. If I remember right, both Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard ran/run MCI's...

After some of the questions I have read here about the 24 volt system on the MCI, that may lean me to the 12 volt Eagle, otherwise I think its all about what you want.

If you ever want to up date to a 4 stroke engine, the MCI would win hands down.

Cody's right about rolling into town in an Eagle, I have considered letting the kids sell my autograph, because people are always looking and asking about the band or thinking I'm rich... Must be the trophy wife...





Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: John316 on August 10, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
We have a mono design, and ours is a MCI :o. Only difference? Ours is a little newer than a nine ;D. MCI just stole Eagles design, and then said that theirs was the best ;D. I am not sure why it took MCI so long to come up with something that Eagle had for years ::).

I have heard that a good eagle rust prevention, is to park next to a MCI for as long as you can ;D.

Really though, I think that it would mostly depend, as Cody said, on how the mechanical side of it was.

God bless,

John


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: NJT5047 on August 10, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
MCI has one major design benefit over Eagles....the engine and transmission can be removed, serviced, inframed, etc, without entering the bus other than to start it up.   And it can be started from the engine room too.  How cool is that?   
You'll find out 'how cool is that' the first time you have to run the racks on a 2 stroke lodged in an Eagle.
Eagles are fine looking buses, but MCIs were built to be easily serviced and repaired should it become necessary.  Of course, MCIs rarely need repairs. 
Thinking about it, there's actually TWO major design benefits that favors MCI...if the exhaust manifold fractures, you won't burn the house down with an MCI exhaust design.  And you won't have to remove the bedroom to gain access in an MCI.   In any event, an MCI exhaust system can literally fall off the coach and other than noise...no harm...relatively speaking.
Eagles do have one notable good point (other than being good-looking), the airbags don't leak down!  ;)
Apologies in advance to Eagle owners!   ::)

My dos centavos, JR   


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 10, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
Good points JR, but my iggle has the rear start too.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: paulcjhastings on August 10, 2009, 07:07:16 PM
I wouldn't choose either, I would choose the Eagles younger cousin ;), right Bryce ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 10, 2009, 07:19:12 PM
I'm thinking your thinking GM with the muffler under the floor thats carries the fire risk, my exhaust and muffler are down beside the engine.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: luvrbus on August 10, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
JR, I run the rack on Eagles with out ever going to the bus and have done inframes and removed the engine and transmission without ever entering the bus.
Air compressors and engine mounted alternators have to be done from the inside.
The 01,05,10 and model 15 have large engine compartments the model 20 now that one is tight.
The exhaust system on 92 series engine are the same in both buses Eagle use a dual exhaust system on their 8v71 engines and MCI uses a single


good luck


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: HighTechRedneck on August 10, 2009, 07:56:23 PM
lol good question but I think dallas even has a video of one just tooling down the road, no skin lol, they have the truss style construction that makes that possible, the skin isn't structural, the screen house idea is interesting tho lol.


Not quite a video, but a perfect example of it.

(http://www.rts-bus.com/eagle20/4.jpg)

(http://www.rts-bus.com/eagle20/1.jpg)

(http://www.rts-bus.com/eagle20/2.jpg)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: NJT5047 on August 10, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Good points JR, but my iggle has the rear start too.

As I was saying...it's a dark and stormy night.  You're stranded in the middle of an interstate 87 in New York, thousands of miles from home--and you gotta change the air compressor...and alternator, on a hot engine....and SWMBO wants the BEDROOM!  :o
OK.  You and luvr have converted me.  I'm an Eagle lover now!   ;) 
While we're considering brand change, what about a Prevost?     
Almost all of the entertainers are riding in Prevosts these days (John Madden excepted) ...mostly XLs and few H45s...what about a Prevo$t XL40?   You can steal a factory conversion Prevost XL these days.  A nice Prevost 40' 2 stroke without slides, with careful shopping, can be found for well below $100K.   There are some super coaches on the market these days.  $125K will get into 4 strokes.   

More dos centavos, JR     


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 10, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
I'd love a prevo, I've piled sawdust in many of them and I do like them, I can barely afford my iggle tho, my pockets are just not deep enough but I am adoptable by anyone with an extra prevo lol.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: SmoothJazz on August 10, 2009, 08:20:10 PM
Quote
Air compressors and engine mounted alternators have to be done from the inside.


This is true for MCI's as well as Eagles, I have been there and done that on both brands.

My first choice is Eagle and tied for second is GMC, Prevost, MCI, and Serta...oh I mean Setra. Sorry Bryce, I was falling asleep there. You know Eagle and Setra are kin.

Having said that, the original post is Eagle vs MC9. I would definitely choose the Eagle over the MC9. I could go into many reasons, some which may not be relevant to motorhomers. All I can say is that if you buy an MC9, make sure the driver has a good seatbelt, wouldn't want them to fall out of the seat while driving as many drivers have. It also does not seem safe to turn a corner with an MC9 and have your tag axle wheels leave the ground. I have driven all makes of buses and found nothing more stable and smooth riding as the Eagle Coach and in fact I have been in situations with an Eagle Coach that had I been in the same situation with an MCI, I would probably be dead. Don't get me wrong, the MC9 was a popular bus, but it did not come without flaws...major flaws. Our senior citizen tours said it all. If we ran an Eagle together with an MCI, they would fight to get on the Eagle every time. And by the way, I have driven an Eagle down the road as a bare frame and it handled just as well as it did all put together. In fact, you could drop the baggage bay floors out of an Eagle bus and not compromise the structural integrity of the bus. You could not say this about any other bus. I could go on but...I think you know where I stand.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Busted Knuckle on August 10, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
I wouldn't choose either, I would choose the Eagles younger cousin ;), right Bryce ;D

And there you have it from a man who knows what a real bus is!
As mentioned by Paul, a SETRA is a refined version of the Eagle!
Kassbohrer is/was the original manufacturer of the Eagle (they had to start with a rough draft!) and then once they had it figured out they sold it and started producing the fine crafted finished product the SETRA!

So do want an imitation, an older rough draft version, or the refined real deal?

I might just know where a great SETRA shell could be aquired for the right $!

You can ask HTR it's just had the engine out and the little things fixed and the major oil leak repaired.
It starts right up with a touch of the key and purrs like a hot rod V8 should! (8V92 DDEC that is!)

Come on over to the West TN Busnut gathering and check out some nice rides of different brands. Shoot bring $ and even take home yer very own SETRA!

Last I heard Wayne Stanton (is the last name right Wayne?) from MI is going to try and bring his awesome SETRA conversion to show it off!
(Whew hooo I can't wait a converted SETRA & the awesome CAT powered Eagle both here at once!
;D  BK  ;D

Really all kidd'n aside they all have good and bad pionts, it's just that SETRA's are better! LOL!
Naw jest kidd'n it's simply a matter of perference!


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: SmoothJazz on August 10, 2009, 08:34:47 PM
NJT5047,

All of the entertainers are riding in Prevosts because all of the Eagle Sales and Service Reps went to work for Prevost after Greyhound took Eagle into bankruptcy. Prior to 1991 Prevost had very little market share in the entertainment industry, they were more into the motorhomes. Had it not been for mis-management at Eagle in the late 1980's and Greyhound raping Eagle of all of its funds, Prevost would not even exist as we know them today.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: NJT5047 on August 10, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
NJT5047,

All of the entertainers are riding in Prevosts because all of the Eagle Sales and Service Reps went to work for Prevost after Greyhound took Eagle into bankruptcy. Prior to 1991 Prevost had very little market share in the entertainment industry, they were more into the motorhomes. Had it not been for mis-management at Eagle in the late 1980's and Greyhound raping Eagle of all of its funds, Prevost would not even exist as we know them today.

'Stuff' happens.   ;)




Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: SmoothJazz on August 10, 2009, 08:56:48 PM
NJT5047

You are right, stuff happens, and when the best bus on the market, Eagle, is taken into bankruptcy through no fault of the bus, then someone elses brand has to take over and supply the market. That happened to be Prevost at the time.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: ilyafish on August 10, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
What?? Eagles are 12 volts?? Im sold  ;D hahaha

Thanks for all the help guys!  I think i am sold on an eagle though.  Now just where to find one with minimal rust for 10k as a shell, or for 20k converted......


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 10, 2009, 10:22:15 PM
Ilya,driving my model 15 home from Carmi Ill, I stopped in Flagstaff and grabbed a 2 liter bottle of Pepsi to chug a lug on for the remainder of the trip back to Vegas.Leaving flag (on I-40)I couldn't wait to start headed down the mountain so's I could open her up a little,heck it was 3:30 in the morning and the hard top was mine for the taking (so I did,LOL) and was absolutely thrilled at how well something this big handled so good,fortunately for me the suspension and tires were in great shape.I have been on a few buses in my life time and honestly I loved them all cause they were all big .
The thing that spikes my meter with an Eagle is the classic look,then the ride and latest is the feel.I have been under a few buses to twirl some iron a time or two,I think I would find it annoying to have to prop the rig up each time so I don't loose my tootsies when the air runs out of the bags.Oh! and after my solo drag race down the mountain from flag stopped again in kingman for fuel,got up out of the seat and remember the bottle of pop?almost punted it out the door,see I had placed it on the floor next to me in flag and forgot all about ,IT NEVER MOVED!
 Even after the trilling ride down the hill at 85 mph It stayed right where I had put it without the cap on and never spilled a drop,now that's a ride ya can take to the bank.I do agree with my brethren bus nuts,Preference.I think you know mine.
Don't worry guys you OB bus guys can park next to my eagle anytime ,I now carry enough plastic eagles to go around for every one so ya can fit right in. shoot Bryce your setra doesn't need one ,its already tattooed with the German Bundes Eagle(ACHTUNG!),any way I like my schnapps room temp and in my glass,not runnin down my as_,alright I'm bad LOL,I better duck now ,bye ;D ::)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: SmoothJazz on August 10, 2009, 10:32:02 PM
I was wondering when you were going to show up here Van.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 10, 2009, 10:42:52 PM
I heard the Eagle calling me LOL ,Oh! the love call or was that another frikin part fallin off ::)
just incase anyone missed this love story
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=12738.msg133593#msg133593 (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=12738.msg133593#msg133593)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: ilyafish on August 10, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
hahaha i remember that van.

ps, after peach spoke to you earlier today and told me about it i started doing some more eagle research....so thanks to you, you got me all started on this! hahaha, i spoke to a friend of mine out in CA who owns an eagle....he said the bus can be flying down the road, and you can get up in the front, and walk straight to the back without having to brace yourself.

ps....if i become an eagle owner....does that make me more patriotic?  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Dreamscape on August 11, 2009, 04:21:48 AM
There are lots of Eagles for sale, a lot more MCI's though. Eagle owners tend to keep them longer! ;D Most MCI's were hounds with lots of miles.

Having said that, always consider the mechanical first, then the appearance and last what's inside, it's hidden anyway. You can always change the interior to suit much cheaper and easier than an engine or brakes.

http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi?cat=cprv&itm=eagle (http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi?cat=cprv&itm=eagle)

This link will show all of CL, eBay and others. You can search for any make there.

Keep us posted,

Paul


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: wayne on August 11, 2009, 06:48:39 AM
I have never driven a MCI or an Eagle. Before I bought my Setra I talked to many bus owners and concluded I wanted the Eagle but a little more modern, so I went to Greensboro and got me a 215HDH. I drove it back to Michigan with almost 600k on it and it went perfect, drove like a dream. I took a tool kit just in case because this bus was getting used as a parts bus when I found it, but no issues. I'm sure it's preference as many think but there is a whole lot of serious engineering in this Setra and I have been through it from front to back. I'm always impressed with it. Good Luck with your choice, it took me forever.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: frontman on August 11, 2009, 07:04:22 AM
I'm feeling better and better about my recent Eagle purchase! 


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: rusty on August 11, 2009, 07:08:41 AM
I have a dog in this hunt so take what I am saying with a grain of salt. There are a lot of good busses out there that will make you a fine conversion. The Eagle does have a problem or two. As far as rust I have seen many Eagles that have very little rust. I have seen them almost half gone and still going down the road, That tells you a little about how well built they are. Parts can be found for them. Most of the parts are off the shelf at truck parts store. The ones that are Eagle can be found with the exception of the 01 springs. With a little luck Eagle will be reborn and the parts thing will go away. Also we can always use a new member in our club.

Good Luck Wayne


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: roadrunnertex on August 11, 2009, 07:13:06 AM
Let a old GMC person step in and get on this soap box on Eagle/MCI subject.
First let me say this if it were not for GMC and Greyhound building the PD-4501 Scenicruiser there would have been no reason for Continental Trailways to even build the Eagle back in the mid 1950's.
The Greyhound PD-4501 Scenicruiser was so popular that Continental Trailways was seeing a big loss in ridership through out it's entire route system.
Continental Trailways had to have a coach to compete with the Greyhound PD-4501.
So the folks at Continental Trailways had the Eagle production started in the late 50's.
Now I am not going to say which is a better coach MCI/Eagle.
But after talking to Mr Norris at Jefferson Bus repair in OKC,OK he stated that the suspension system parts are no longer being built for the Eagle model coach.
So one might want to step back and take another look at the Eagle brand.
As for MCI and the MC-9 series coaches they are every where.
And finding parts for the MCI coaches are a lot easier.
I happen to own a P8M4905A so I do not have a dog in this fight so to speak so I will stand down from this old soap box and give it to some one else.
Perhaps a Prevost person will step in and make a statement.
jlv



Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: luvrbus on August 11, 2009, 07:25:19 AM
Setra are great buses when speaking with my friend at Arrow Stage he told me parts where about 40% higher for the Setra than they other brands they run but he loves the S417 even with the recalls they have had several so I am told.
They are not a good candidate for conversions I am told because of the height you need to lower the floors and redo the baggage door.
Cole has a 2005 S417 model in his shop he is doing that too terrible waste of a good looking and very expensive bus LOL.
I will stay out of the bus vs bus thing being I own Eagles.

JLV Norris gave you some bad info on the suspension parts not being made any longer like Wayne said the 01 is the only Eagle with new suspension parts availability problem.
Too bad the 4501 didn't last long after the Eagles hit the road LOL


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 11, 2009, 07:30:57 AM
All of the suspension parts for eagle are available, each part thru silver eagle and from other sources, still being made but on the pricey side, like anything else in bus world, once it's fixed, a normal person shouldn't ever need to have to do it again.  Did I say normal person? wow.  I haven't had a part that I needed that napa didn't have so maybe I've been lucky but still got the parts that I needed when I needed them.  One thing that I enjoy is rumbling into a park with the DD growling and watching the people turn and stare, doesn't matter what bus your in, the looks are still great, course when you park they still want to know if your famous in an eagle lol.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Dreamscape on August 11, 2009, 08:00:59 AM
The only Eagleastic (torsalastic) suspension that is not available at Silver Eagle is for the 01 rear axle, but I am told by a very reputable source, they will be manufactured soon. They have all of the other ones available. And like has been said, they are available from other sources. You just have to have deep pockets! They do last a very long time if kept adjusted properly. ;) At least no air leaks to worry about on the suspension, unless of course you have added air bags like a few have done, right Sonnie! ::)

HTH,

Paul


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 11, 2009, 08:59:30 AM
Ilya ,you bet you'd be patriotic,hey keep us informed with what you find out about that eagle in Omaha,pics etc ;)good luck


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: John316 on August 11, 2009, 09:08:21 AM
Ilya,

What about this bus in Omaha? I must have missed it...You got more info?

God bless,

John


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 11, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
John,this is all we have right now,hopefully more will be forthcoming
http://omaha.craigslist.org/rvs/1310084062.html (http://omaha.craigslist.org/rvs/1310084062.html)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: ilyafish on August 11, 2009, 09:28:29 AM
yup....still waiting on an email with more pics and info.

Thanks again guys!!


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: CrabbyMilton on August 11, 2009, 09:54:56 AM
Whether we like it or not, every product and service you can imagine depends on the free market. If a product stinks or has the reputation of such, they will not last long. That includes buses. EAGLE had it's share of flubs but SILVER EAGLE seems to be trying to make an impression on the market. INTERNATIONAL TRUCK last I heard is wanting to get into the coach business so that should be interesting to see how that MAXFORCE engine is accepted by coach operators.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 11, 2009, 10:02:03 AM
Anyone in the Omaha/Des Moines area that could lay an eyeball on this bus?


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: luvrbus on August 11, 2009, 10:04:28 AM
FWIW Milton International Truck is in the coach business (not the bus) named Monaco.I hope they make it but the S&S business is tough right now.
I think I would have kept my 50 million instead of buying a bankrupt S&S Co    

good luck


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: pd4501-771 on August 11, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
Too bad the 4501 didn't last long after the Eagles hit the road LOL

Be careful there.....thems fight'n words! Better check your facts. The 4501 Scenicruiser was in revenue service longer than any other single model. Over 20 years +. Thats just with GH, not to mention Private charter service.

Tom


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 11, 2009, 10:28:11 AM
I'm thinking he meant years in production for the scenics, there are many charter companies using older buses especially the specialized lines, we've got a couple up here that use the old silversides for their short runs but they are more a curiousity like a steam train, or a sternwheeler, a schooner or an MCI lol, running for cover now lol.lol ;D ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: CrabbyMilton on August 11, 2009, 10:33:21 AM
I failed to make my point clearly so my flub. I had forgotten about MONACO being part of the IC empire now but I saw an article on BUSRIDE that told of IC getting into the over the road bus business in 2010. This was in October of '08 so they may have thought twice since then. So the bus I saw may well have been a MONACO body adapted for seated coach work.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: CrabbyMilton on August 11, 2009, 10:39:37 AM
I'll save you the trouble.......http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/NAV/489293010x0x239031/ffdaf3d5-765e-460c-b2e7-3f6cbb8ce2d8/NAV_News_2008_10_6_General.pdf (http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/NAV/489293010x0x239031/ffdaf3d5-765e-460c-b2e7-3f6cbb8ce2d8/NAV_News_2008_10_6_General.pdf)


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: kyle4501 on August 11, 2009, 10:51:10 AM
I think it would be premature to choose a particular make bus when your budget is of primary concern.

It would seem to me the prudent action would be to seek out ALL coaches in your price range & choose the best from what you find. Sometimes, the best money spent on a bus is the return trip home after looking at one. . . .

There are some really nice units out there to be had for a song - especially if you know what to look for.

Gary Labombard made a CD that documented all the places on his bus that had rust & how he dealt with the corrosion.   http://community.webshots.com/user/converter101 (http://community.webshots.com/user/converter101)

The GM buses are lighter than the other brands (Bluebird being one of the heaviest) & less weight cost less to move down the road.
A friend has PD4501-738 & gets 10+ mpg with a 8V71 & 4 speed manual. It weighed 25,000 after he removed the seats. . . .
He is retired & doesn't get in a hurry going down the roads. . .


Believe what you want, but the facts are that the GM PD4501 set the standard for all buses that followed:
first with standard A/C
first with standard washroom
first with HUGE bays
first 40 footer
power steering was also standard
supported by 10 tires & 12 air bags = very smooth ride
only GM PD series bus with a T-drive
under 11' tall
Most distinctive bus ever built.


However, the dropped aisle made for a terrible conversion choice.
Greyhound used them for 20 years before selling them off beginning in the early mid 70's. You can bet they were in need of maintenance when they were sold - & also a safe bet most didn't get the proper service after leaving greyhound . . . .


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: belfert on August 11, 2009, 11:00:31 AM
I failed to make my point clearly so my flub. I had forgotten about MONACO being part of the IC empire now but I saw an article on BUSRIDE that told of IC getting into the over the road bus business in 2010. This was in October of '08 so they may have thought twice since then. So the bus I saw may well have been a MONACO body adapted for seated coach work.

Navistar didn't buy Monaco until June of this year so IC bus probably wasn't using Monaco anything at the time.


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: luvrbus on August 11, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
Belfert, fwiw Monaco and IC have been working together for several years before the buyout in June
good luck


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: JackConrad on August 11, 2009, 11:54:03 AM
Instead of looking for a specific brand, I would be more interested in overall condition.  All brands have strong points and weak points. Learn the typical weak points of any model and pay particular attention to those area when inspecting the coach.  Jack


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: MattC on August 11, 2009, 03:05:18 PM
Instead of looking for a specific brand, I wiuld be more interested in overall condition.  All brands have strong points and weak points. Learn the typical weak points of any model and pay particular attention to those area when inspecting the coach.  Jack

I agree with Jack.  There some things I LOVE about my coach and other things I wish they'd done differently.  However, when it's all said and done mechanical, structural, and electrical condition are more impotent than the shape of your windscreen.   I own an MCI, but would be proud to own ANY make of bus if she were sound.  

IMHO




Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Busted Knuckle on August 11, 2009, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: MattC
I agree with Jack.  There are great things about any coach company, and not so great things as well.  However, when it's all said and done mechanical, structural, and electrical condition are more impotent than the shape of your windscreen.   I own an MCI, but would be proud to own ANY make of bus if she sounds good! ;D

Oh yeah did I mention that sweet sounding 8V92 in the Setra I have?

Sounds awesome! 475 HP 8V92 DDEC! ;D 

;D  BK  ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: MattC on August 11, 2009, 03:14:34 PM
Quote from: MattC
I agree with Jack.  There are great things about any coach company, and not so great things as well.  However, when it's all said and done mechanical, structural, and electrical condition are more impotent than the shape of your windscreen.   I own an MCI, but would be proud to own ANY make of bus if she sounds good! ;D

Oh yeah did I mention that sweet sounding 8V92 in the Setra I have?

Sounds awesome! 475 HP 8V92 DDEC! ;D  

;D  BK  ;D

BK,

Like I said I'd even own a Setra if she were mechanically sound.  Even with an 8v92  =P

LoL

Matt

P.S.  Hey!  You misquoted me, ya dog!   If she sounds good.  ROFLMAO!


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 11, 2009, 03:14:53 PM
Hey Bryce,I'd have a schnapps aboard your bus any time! ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Busted Knuckle on August 11, 2009, 03:25:10 PM
Hey Bryce,I'd have a schnapps aboard your bus any time! ;D


September 25th, 26th, & 27th would be good dates! ;D

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=12698.0 (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=12698.0)

;D  BK  ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 11, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Hmmmm! Hey Don when ya leaving ;D


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Don Fairchild on August 12, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
Van;

I am leaving around the 18th of sept. Get that engine in and the radiator sealed and follow me out.

I am still finishing up my bus but it will be ready in another week.

Don


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: Van on August 12, 2009, 04:34:03 PM
Don,don't I wish I could,still a cazillion degrees out .I am praying that we can get er done for Quartzsite,shure would be fun to rub elbows with the famous BK.It will be our misfortune to miss this event as well as the others we had planned on attending. Any one need thier bus shipped out east  ;D :'(


Title: Re: Eagle vs MC9
Post by: cody on August 12, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
I know how you feel van, I'm so goosebumpity that I'm having a hard time finding a clean bowling shirt, being in the very presence of the famous BK is a dream come true for many of us, dommit libby just whacked me alongside the head, I never dreamed she could read this small type from across the room  lol ;D ;D ;D