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Title: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 12, 2011, 10:02:59 PM
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 You never know where it is that life is going to take you.


Here is another one, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.”  I am sorry, but I don’t remember who it was that said that.  It could have been A Tale Of Two Cities which was a novel by Charles Dickens, set in London during the French Revolution if memory serves me well?

So I am home, my trip was aborted early because of bad roads and equipment failure.  I am out another two grand and I am not a happy camper.  You know when your old bus is running right, and the highway before you, is in reasonably good shape, all is well in the universe.  When all these items are not in sync, it is one miserable, lousy, experience. Something akin to being an Alzheimer patient in a whore house, you know you have been take care of, but you really do not understand who, what, where and why.

So with all we say and do, there is always something called the “take away.”  You learn, you live, you move on.  So here it is in a nutshell, where the rubber meets the road.  I hit some really bad road in Arizona, the bus bottomed out, and I shelled out my air bag mounts, one air bag and lunched a brand new tire.  After discovering the problem, I did two things.  I called Van Hagan (who we had just visited with) and Coachnet.

If you have Coachnet, you might want to rethink it.  

Coachnet is about “towing you somewhere and that is about it.”  After conferring with them during my emergency, they made the determination that it was “an accident” so therefore, they were not responsible.  They had no qualms about my paying for the entire ordeal and there attitude was less than stellar, their service the same.  

First I was bombarded with unnecessary questions about my coach, my engine, my chassis and other “non related items.”  In order to update their files.  I sat in the Nevada sun baking like an Idaho potato in a gas-oven on slow broil for over four hours before someone actually appeared to render me assistance.

I had to pay for a service truck, a welder, a tire man and a RV Specialist.  This was to make temporary repairs necessary to get me back to Oklahoma.  My only saving grace thru all of this was Van Hagan, who rolled up his sleeves and got down and dirty and helped me line out these people while I was running down parts in a strange city, with high volume traffic, and parts that were some 28 miles away (one way).  I had to run them down, because the service specialist that Coachnet sent me, had a broken down service truck, and was “really in a bind” at the time, as he put it.

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One last thing:  (As I am not into vendor bashing and it is not allowed on most sites)  “After diagnosing my problem as an accident, and being fully assured that I would pay for all services, Coachnet dispatched this bozo that arrived four hours later, and NEVER even checked back to see if he arrived or if we were still in need of assistance.”  

Wait it gets even better .... Take a lot of cash, this guy they sent didn’t take VISA the service call was $110 and he charged $125 per hour, he was a little over 4 hours doing the work.

Speed was not a factor, it was rough road.  South of Hoover Dam we bottomed out violently, and the weight issue and the down force of bus body on the suspension led to metal fatigue and our problem.  When you get all of this heavy structure bouncing around on the road, it will lead to problems, such is the case was here.
 
The roads in Arizona and I suspect other places are in terrible condition and there is more ... we discovered more of it eastbound outside of Holbrook, Arizona.  Roads in the Flagstaff area are beautifully maintained and in good shape.  I suspect this is because the majority of foreign visitors to Arizona travel in this area, and we want to put our best face on it, so they are okay.  

The rest of it, can be real bad in spots, be advised.

I weighed my coach, how many of you have done that?  Surprisingly I found out, my coach, much like myself, “needs to go on a diet and thin down some.”  So that is in the works.  I have stopped clearing trucks and truckers, they seldom say thanks, it just puts strain on my equipment to do them a favor which they do not return and that is now history.  

I usually drive 5 to 10 mph below the posted limit, but occasionally I can hang a truck out there and they cannot get back in.  One thing I am changing, this is new.  I am also not backing out of it anymore, “if they get their dumb ___ out in the hammer lane and cannot get around me, that is their problem.”  

Some of 'em need to learn this Rule of thumb, “high rpm’s do not necessarily mean high mph.”  It doesn’t work that way.

They clear the truck in front of me, but they do not clear me, bus people are not truckers friends and this new breed of trucker leaves a lot to be desired.  The CB radio is now virtually useless and you can live without it.  Just a few nuggets that I found sprinkled on the path, and here is the take away:

Like I said:  “If you have Coachnet, you might want to rethink it.“  

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Call Van Hagan instead.

A friend of mine yesterday asked me how it was and I said:  “Y’know, when it is running right, and the roads are okay, it is the greatest thing in the world.  When a bus is operating in a correct fashion, and all of your hard work is paying off, well, it is like flyin’ to Paris for breakfast on a Learjet.  When it isn’t working, it is like the loss of your first bicycle at school from the bike rack or a really bad case of the flu.”

So that is the way it was.  Not much fun.


It is now home, parked in the shop, I am sick of it, it has once again “ate me out of house and home” because it is old and the roads are in lousy shape.  Once again I was forced to pay thru the nose in order to enjoy my hobby.  Needless to say, “I am not a happy kamper.”  

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: jjrbus on September 12, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
Sorry to hear of your misfortune! At least if you would have lost the $$$$$ in Vegas it would have been fun ;D

 I only had a "premium" road service for a short time. I kept hearing similar stories to yours and went with the ERS ryder on my insurance policy.

                                                                          JIm

 


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: desi arnaz on September 13, 2011, 12:01:17 AM
try Allstate motor club for rv's i pay 7 bucks a month and because my last tow was from a broken nipple and not an accident  they would not pay for the hotel  but paid for the tow. $1089.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: robertglines1 on September 13, 2011, 05:42:23 AM
Easy to get down: noticed you were in and out of chat room last nite without much to say; Been there! To tell you it will pass is bull.  Life is a adventure-just look what you have accomplished! See ya on the big slab.   Bob


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 05:56:11 AM
I only had a "premium" road service for a short time. I kept hearing similar stories to yours and went with the ERS ryder on my insurance policy.

                                                                          JIm


I am now seriously looking for something else.

Thanks,

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 05:56:44 AM
try Allstate motor club for rv's i pay 7 bucks a month and because my last tow was from a broken nipple and not an accident  they would not pay for the hotel  but paid for the tow. $1089.

I will look into it.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 05:58:19 AM
Why didn't you use Coachnet and tow it to Gary's place and let him fix in a shop you are going to get ripped on repairs in a parking lot,Coachnet or any other service is not going to pay for repairs.
Coachnet would have towed it to my place and Van could have done the repairs here I couldn't help this ear deal has me down big time

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 06:00:04 AM
Easy to get down: noticed you were in and out of chat room last nite without much to say; Been there! To tell you it will pass is bull.  Life is a adventure-just look what you have accomplished! See ya on the big slab.   Bob

Most of the time, I try my level best to put my best foot forward and keep a good working attitude toward a lot of this, that would be a given.  But there are times, such as right now, I think to myself, "How much of this are you willing to soak up, how much more before the Ice Man's Head finally melts?"  When you are averaging about $1,500 per trip just for repairs on trips of 2,000 more or better, I can assure you, it is just not worth it.

Each trip (with no exception) it is always something and believe me brother .... It is getting old.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 06:06:53 AM
Why didn't you use Coachnet and tow it to Gary's place and let him fix in a shop you are going to get ripped on repairs in a parking lot,Coachnet or any other service is not going to pay for repairs.
Coachnet would have towed it to my place and Van could have done the repairs here I couldn't help this ear deal has me down big time

good luck

You have said repeatedly on this medium and others that they rip you to pieces on the road, no issue with that.  When in Rome, do what the Roman's do I guess?  Gary was not an option, we called Gary.  For the record, the bus was not tow-able, the inside dual was gone, the only tire left was the outside dual supporting all of the weight, I didn't want to chance it (a complete failure).  Even after changing out the tire, we would still have to contend with the air bag housing ripping the new tire up, it was bent way out of shape.

We called Coachnet at 10:30 a.m. and the tire guy didn't even show until way past 3:30 p.m.  I drove into Boulder and ordered the tire myself.

We did the best we could with what we had.  It worked for me, I got it home, and it is now history.  I am not complaining about the cost so much Clifford as I am the lousy service.  You don't often get what you pay for anymore and in this case it was exactly that.

I hope this answers your questions?

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 06:22:10 AM
Coachnet would have sent you a low boy you never want a tow anyway and none of those services will bring you a new tire they will come change over to the spare I have had about all over the years.
The owner of Coachnet sold it 2 years ago and I am sure the new owners are making changes but I can say I have use Coachnet since 1999 and it was the best I ever had fwiw.
One thing about the highways in AZ they are FREE in OK it is hard to go to the drug store without paying a toll,you will get over it just think about it could have been a drop box or a engine you just had a small hiccup lol,count your blessings man at least you have the rescourses to pay for repairs on the road some don't have that luxury they would have spent days looking for a used tire   


good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Van on September 13, 2011, 06:24:36 AM
Now now, Hang in there kid. Very easy to get discouraged in a situation as this, but in fact there is light at the end of the tunnel. Been there done that! got the greasy T-shirt. Gotta get ready for work (yes all I am working again, Hoorah!) and will share some more words of wisdom here when I get back home. Cheryl and I are certainly glad ya made it home safe.

      Van ;)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: pabusnut on September 13, 2011, 06:31:52 AM
BCO,

Sorry to hear about your breakdown in AZ.  :( Sounds like you were on 93S.

I thought Eagles had Torsoelastic suspension??  Who designed and built your air bag mounts?  Maybe the mounting points aren't structurally strong enough to support the shock impact(dynamic load) which can be exponential to the static loading.  I would think about having the front torsoelastic suspension rebuilt as a permanent fix.

Maybe you should move that heavy toolbox (with all those screwdrivers in   ;D) to one of your back bays!!!!

Steve Toomey
PAbusnut



Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 06:46:38 AM
Steve those guys with model 10S are in about the same boat as 01 owners the suspension is different from other Eagles and are very hard to find and some install the standard model 10 torques and they just are not strong enough for that bus so they add air bags

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: desi arnaz on September 13, 2011, 07:03:15 AM
speaking of tolls ,on our last trip to Viagra falls my wife took a trip to Toronto on the 407 in a rent a car  the toll came on our credit card for over $19 plus $11 admin fee from budget.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 07:06:49 AM
I love the way you write Boxcar but be it I speak redneck I have no clue as to what actually happened.  What destroyed the tire?  I for one hope you don't sell your bus.  I enjoy the bus porn you post especially after you post a pic of your latest project.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: belfert on September 13, 2011, 08:09:14 AM
Would other roadside assistance programs have covered this?  Coachnet would have covered either a tow or a mobile mechanic for my brake that locked up.  I did end up freeing it up myself and driving to a shop.  If the airbag mount had come loose due to a bad weld or fatigue would Caochnet have covered it?

If this is considered a collision your regular insurance might pay for the repairs.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 09:20:06 AM
Would other roadside assistance programs have covered this?  Coachnet would have covered either a tow or a mobile mechanic for my brake that locked up.  I did end up freeing it up myself and driving to a shop.  If the airbag mount had come loose due to a bad weld or fatigue would Caochnet have covered it?

If this is considered a collision your regular insurance might pay for the repairs.

Man, man.  As usual, you guys are missing the point.  It is not the cost, that is not the issue, it is THE SERVICE that is the problem.  I don't operate on a shoestring and I can cover what it costs to maintain & service or repair my stuff.  It is sitting in the hot sun for three to four hours waiting on some dumb____ to make a decision to get someone out to the location.

I don't expect Coachnet or anyone else to repair my bus, but I do expect them to send me people promptly, people who have their equipment in good working order, people who will bring what it is that I need, instead of ME having to run all over Clark County to find the stuff. 

They knew I needed a welder, they knew I needed a tire, they knew I needed an air bag. 

When the people they called finally showed up, they had nothing.  I had to go get the air bag, I had to go and purchase the tire, I had to make all of the arrangements personally while the person they called sat on some freeway with a broke down service vehicle.  The only guy that had his act together was the welder and that is it. 

He got a tip in the end.

When I am shelling out my hard earned cash I don't expect to be some Coachnet gopher running parts.

SERVICE ... That is what it is about.  It is pretty self explanatory.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 09:24:36 AM
Get you another service you not going to better yourself but you can try

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 09:26:31 AM
BCO,

Sorry to hear about your breakdown in AZ.  :( Sounds like you were on 93S.

I thought Eagles had Torsoelastic suspension??  Who designed and built your air bag mounts?  Maybe the mounting points aren't structurally strong enough to support the shock impact(dynamic load) which can be exponential to the static loading.  I would think about having the front torsoelastic suspension rebuilt as a permanent fix.

Maybe you should move that heavy toolbox (with all those screwdrivers in   ;D) to one of your back bays!!!!

Steve Toomey
PAbusnut



You are correct, they do.  Mine is shot on the left side, I cannot replace it nor can I adjust it.  The right side is okay, still adjustable, I air-bagged it two years ago.  The set up is basically sound, it was the road conditions that caused the problem, and that is the bottom line.  I-40 out of Needles is nothing more than a cow trail and other roads in the Southwest are the same.  America's infrastructure is crumbling from neglect and will continue to decline in the future.  What they are spending on the roads in this country is a mere pittance of what they need to be spending.

I took your advice, and took out two phillips, one slotted and a couple of hose clamps ... I feel better already.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 09:28:31 AM
Get you another service you not going to better yourself but you can try

good luck


I had progressive and it was not all that much better, I don't know what is out there Clifford, but I am going to look it over.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
I love the way you write Boxcar but be it I speak redneck I have no clue as to what actually happened.  What destroyed the tire?  I for one hope you don't sell your bus.  I enjoy the bus porn you post especially after you post a pic of your latest project.

Wal to answer your inquiry?  The bracket that holds the air bag broke and it in turn kicked out the bottom plate, which rubbed the inside dual in two places and ultimately caused the tire failure and ruined the tire.  If anyone is wondering, the replacement tire was $460 and some change 16 ply - Off brand.  

I am not going to sell the bus, but trust me, I am going to make some changes, and like a fly at the company picnic I will continue to come on here from time to time and share my particular brand of insanity with all of you.

Now isn't that special?

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
Don,I am not trying to pick on you but say the AZ highway caused it to break then you drive another 40 or 50 miles to the RV park on lake Mead and park for a couple of days you didn't notice anything different when you where parked ? 
fwiw I waited on AAA Plus 16 hours in Oregon for a boogie tire blow out and when the guy got there he had 2 ton jack and a 4 way automobile lug wrench took till the next day for AAA to get me up and running but it wasn't hot at 6000 ft you may want to take AAA Plus off your short list

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Chopper Scott on September 13, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
I'm glad you decided to share your story here Don. I can see the frustration in having a vacation curtailed and sure wish you had made it here for a visit. Chin up. It could have been a lot worse.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Len Silva on September 13, 2011, 11:00:52 AM
They say there is a good side to everything.  While I feel for your problems, this and some other recent similar posts may be a wake up call for the dreamers and wannabes who think they are going to cross the country in a thousand dollar bus.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:29:14 AM
Don,I am not trying to pick on you but say the AZ highway caused it to break then you drive another 40 or 50 miles to the RV park on lake Mead and park for a couple of days you didn't notice anything different when you where parked ?  

good luck

Read into it what you wish, for the record it says "South of Hoover Dam we bottomed out violently," which isn't 40-50 miles from the campsite.  No, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary when I parked (we smelled rubber but it quickly went away), the bus was tilted a little, I chalked that up to a unlevel park space. 

This Lake Mead campground is Ace's if you want to stay in a quiet place, has all the facilities, the lake is close by and access to the casino isn't far away.  You might even get The Van Man thrown in for good measure ... He is a real hoot.  

Unlike some people ... I am not perfect.  I did not note anything out of the ordinary, sorry.

This entire ordeal, accident, call it what you may, was caused by piss poor roads in Arizona and I am not backing up on it Clifford.  That is the bottom line and end of the story.  I also agree, I am not a big fan of AAA either.  

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 11:32:24 AM
I do understand your frustration.  Buying a road package to me is no different than buying insurance.  I don't trust insurance companies as I never come out ahead with an insurance company.  So I quit buying insurance.  I took out the highest insurance deductable allowed by the finance company (home insurance).  We have a $5000 deductable.  I lost the house roof the other day and I have to pay out of pocket for a new one.  Of course my wife was angry until I showed her we have saved a lot more by insuring ourselves and paying for our own roof than if we had relied on the insurance to pay for a roof.  I think I will save my money from a roadside service and pay as I go.    


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:34:11 AM
They say there is a good side to everything.  While I feel for your problems, this and some other recent similar posts may be a wake up call for the dreamers and wannabes who think they are going to cross the country in a thousand dollar bus.

Well, it is good to know, and with all things, you learn a little and you move on.  This is what happened to me and I just reported on it, you on the other hand, might have an entirely different tale or story to tell.  All this Monday Morning Quarterbacking it isn't going to change what happened one iota, and it doesn't take away from the facts.  

It is home now, it will be fixed, we will make another trip in 2013 and hopefully it will be ALL THE WAY and not just part of the way.  I agree with your quote about second hand buses.  The owner of a second hand bus knows how hard it is to drive a bargain, eh?  I am already in the hunt for a lighter trailer and/or smaller toad.  People who do not learn from their mistakes are prone to repeat them ... this aint gonna happen again.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
I do understand your frustration.  Buying a road package to me is no different than buying insurance.  I don't trust insurance companies as I never come out ahead with an insurance company.  So I quit buying insurance.  I took out the highest insurance deductable allowed by the finance company (home insurance).  We have a $5000 deductable.  I lost the house roof the other day and I have to pay out of pocket for a new one.  Of course my wife was angry until I showed her we have saved a lot more by insuring ourselves and paying for our own roof than if we had relied on the insurance to pay for a roof.  I think I will save my money from a roadside service and pay as I go.    

With all things, there simply isn't one definite answer, I think each policy or service ought to be inspected and recognized for what it is worth.  I really don't know if there is such a thing as a good road service agreement if you want to know the truth.  Clifford did not have good luck with AAA in the past Progressive hasn't met my needs, and I have heard some horror stories about Good Sam.

Who knows?

If you can, cash and carry is your best bet.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 11:38:38 AM
Yep Don but you are long way from a 1000.00 bus so I don't see the comparison myself

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: thomasinnv on September 13, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
Don, glad you made it home OK. It's better that you had the funds to get it temporarily fixed and back home, than to still be sitting there waiting for some back yard mechanic to come and bubble gum it together for ya.

Clifford, sorry to hear of your physical problems with your ear. Will be praying for a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
Yep Don but you are long way from a 1000.00 bus so I don't see the comparison myself

good luck

Yeppers.  You are right.  It was meant to convey "buying used equipment" is often a pain in the part of you that goes over the fence last.  That is all ... Just a metaphor.  Me and Sonnie will get it fixed and I will be right back out there in the smart-aleck lane doing my thang.

Stylin and Smiling.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
I'm glad you decided to share your story here Don. I can see the frustration in having a vacation curtailed and sure wish you had made it here for a visit. Chin up. It could have been a lot worse.


Hey Scott?  When I get it reworked, I am going to shoot it up there to your place, figure that would be a good 600 mile (one way) road test on it.

I will let you know.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Don, glad you made it home OK. It's better that you had the funds to get it temporarily fixed and back home, than to still be sitting there waiting for some back yard mechanic to come and bubble gum it together for ya.

Clifford, sorry to hear of your physical problems with your ear. Will be praying for a speedy recovery.

The repairs made were A-ok and the work held up satisfactory, the back-haul home for the most part was uneventful.  It was a shame having to back shelf the trip, but these things happen.  We have a bus fund and we carry break down money with us for just this reason (in this case a good idea, no major credit cards accepted, figure that one out, I sure couldn't).

Didn't know about your ear Clifford, infection?

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Alright here you go another example developed in the last few minutes.  Not to take away or step on this thread but it fits if you look at it.  I am going to install a metal roof myself on my house.  My insurance company(Forced to have insurance because house is financed) or agent just told me to call him when it was done, he would come photograph the house.  Farm Bureau will discount the house insurance by 20%.  That means I could calculate the amount of years and the percentage and the roof will pay for itself. Might take a while but I like that.  Yes Don cash and carry.  If insurance companies were not making huge profits they wouldn't be in business.  I want a piece of that action ;D


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 11:50:14 AM
When are you going to Sonny's?


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 11:53:59 AM
Alright here you go another example developed in the last few minutes.  Not to take away or step on this thread but it fits if you look at it.  I am going to install a metal roof myself on my house.  My insurance company(Forced to have insurance because house is financed) or agent just told me to call him when it was done, he would come photograph the house.  Farm Bureau will discount the house insurance by 20%.  That means I could calculate the amount of years and the percentage and the roof will pay for itself. Might take a while but I like that.  Yes Don cash and carry.  If insurance companies were not making huge profits they wouldn't be in business.  I want a piece of that action ;D

State Farm gave me "full replacement" coverage on my roof, AFTER they depreciated it, and you know the rest of it dontcha?

As for taking it to Sonnie's?  I am not sure, we have not worked it out, he is busy working his magic on another Eagle right now, so I am on the to-do list.  Tomorrow I dump it and then it goes into the shop, gets winter prepped and will languish inside the building until the next Grand Adventure.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 12:16:47 PM
Oh yes Sir I know what that means.  I tell you I just don't trust big business anymore.  I work on my own bus or I take it to someone who I have learned about through this forum, Sonny.  I use a small town shop for the small stuff but for the major work it will be Sonny.  So far as big chains.  No way.  The service industry has gone to he!! in a handbasket.  Take the banks for instance.  I just went to Chase bank to cash a $600 check that was written to me.  Since I was not a customer they wanted to charge me 1 % which of course is $6.  Nope I told them to stick it and spent $6 in fuel and time to go to my bank.  I should have to do that.  It is principle, not $6 that is the matter here.  We are getting jammed every time we turn around and I for one will not be a sheople and take that crap anymore.  I will pave my own way or walk on gravel for the rest of my trip.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
I just went to Chase bank to cash a $600 check that was written to me.  Since I was not a customer they wanted to charge me 1 % which of course is $6.  Nope I told them to stick it and spent $6 in fuel and time to go to my bank.  I should have to do that.  It is principle, not $6 that is the matter here. 

Three weeks ago, the ATM at Chase ate my debit card.  I went all weekend without it, on Monday they told me it would be five working days to replace it.  When it finally did arrive, I asked them, "Are you going to give me $40 for my trouble?" and they of course said ... "NO." 

So then I said, "Well, if I bounce a check, you are all over me for an overdraft fee, how come you do not have to re-reimburse me for my time and trouble?"

And they thought I was joking.

BCO


Title: Excellent Post! Thank You!
Post by: HB of CJ on September 13, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
And....."Oh my GAWD..he's using a crescent wrench!  Aughhhhh!"  HB of CJ (old coot) :) :) :)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
They think your joking because they are just like the rest of the sheople.  I have changed where I don't keep a lot of money in an account.  I buy silver and put it in a safety deposit volt.  The US dollar has lost what 20% in the last decade while silver has skyrocketed.  Banks are paying .5 percent to keep your money.  I could keep a cash roll and go picking, buying, trading and selling for fun and earn 50% on the dollar.  People think I get crazier everyday, when all the while I think I am finally beginning to see clear.  Same thing with vehicle breakdown insurance, tow insurance ect.  I'll pay or leave that somb$%#&^ right where it sets.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: belfert on September 13, 2011, 03:49:25 PM
I guess I expect a little less out of my roadside assistance company.  I expect them to dispatch a tire truck, mobile mechanic, or tow truck as the needs dictate.  Personally, I would not expect a mechanic to just show up with the right parts.  The mechanic would generally need to look things over and determine what parts are necessary.  Remember, most RVers who have Coachnet would hardly know what end of the wrench is which.  I bet a lot of them wouldn't even know what size tires they have.

Coach-Net only dispatches one service per incident.  If they send a mobile mechanic and the mechanic determines a tow is necessary they will not pay for the tow.  They pay only for the trip/dispatch fee and mileage fee for a mobile fee.  They do NOT pay for any actual labor of the mobile mechanic.  I choose to try to find my own mobile mechanic for my recent incident.  I decided that $200 for a mechanic would be cheaper than $500 to $1000 to tow my bus and trailer if necessary.  In the end Arrow Stage Lines was going to send a mechanic, but they talked me through releasing the brake over the phone.

It was inexcusable that Coach-Net didn't find another mechanic after the first one broke down.  The mechanic should have called Coach-Net when he broke down and Coach-Net should have dispatched someone else.  Maybe the mechanic didn't call Coach-Net, but Coach-Net should have verified with you if the mechanic ever showed up.

I ran out of fuel two years ago in Fernley, NV.  I was pulling into a Walmart and my trailer was still out into the street.  Coach-Net was very concerned about getting me out of the street and to a safer location.  They dispatched the local police and dispatched a tow truck.  They called me back in about 10 minutes and gave me the name of the towing company that was coming.  Fortunately, I had another vehicle caravaning with us and they brought me some diesel and I got the bus running about 45 minutes after it had quit.  The tow truck had yet to arrive so I called Coach-Net to cancel.  I wasn't concerned the tow truck wasn't there after 45 minutes because it was 3 am when this happened.  The driver probably doesn't keep a heavy duty tow truck at home.

People have had bad experiences with just about every roadside assistance place out there.  I had a flat tire on my bus at home and Good Sam sent a little bitty tow truck that didn't have the right tools to put on my spare.  The driver ended up airing up the tire and I drove it to a tire shop for repair.  (No, I don't have to tools to change a bus tire as the proper jacks and other tools cost way too much.)  I don't know why Good Sam didn't send a tire truck, but they probably didn't understand what size wheels they were dealing with.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
Belfert, I am glad that your experiences were good.  Of the things listed, they didn't do any of them.  They had the tire size, they had the parts order number of the air bag, and they NEVER CALLED BACK ON ANYTHING.  

But like I said, "I am glad it worked for you."  

It did not for us.  Maybe next time it will be better?  Who knows?

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Kevinmc5 on September 13, 2011, 04:38:53 PM
BCO,
Glad to read that you got yourself, wife, and bus home safe. I can understand your anger on the hole mater. It took 5 hours to get a rig out to us in Nebraska at 110 temp. Your experience with buses and life made it a lot better than It could of been. (you got it home). For someone like me that is new to the bus world and still does not have a bus in the driveway. That's not all bad. Yes service is a thing of the past. That is one reason for this forum with people like you passing down the knowledge to people like me who try to drive a 35k bus across the US and is still at the mercy of the man rebuilding it. Keep posting and look out for the potholes in life :D
Kevin


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: RnMAdventures on September 13, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
Wow Don this thread lit up today.  :o

I hate to hear of your incident and I am glad yall made it home safe. Thanks for posting your experience. I had a similar nitemare with a RV. I have been struggling whether to get Coachnet, AAA, or just rely on my Progressive coverage. You have given me some insight on this.








Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
Kevinmc5

BCO,
Glad to read that you got yourself, wife, and bus home safe. I can understand your anger on the hole mater. It took 5 hours to get a rig out to us in Nebraska at 110 temp. Your experience with buses and life made it a lot better than It could of been. (you got it home). For someone like me that is new to the bus world and still does not have a bus in the driveway. That's not all bad. Yes service is a thing of the past. That is one reason for this forum with people like you passing down the knowledge to people like me who try to drive a 35k bus across the US and is still at the mercy of the man rebuilding it. Keep posting and look out for the potholes in life

Kevin

Oh well, what it is can now be defined as “history.”  I don’t have a great storehouse of bus information, I don’t do a lot of heavy lifting, I am at best a “shade tree mechanic” and know just about enough about most of this to get me into serious trouble.  But I am fairly good at observations, at reporting what it is that I am currently experiencing or going thru at the time.  I believe I will continue to share.  Some would say it is kind of like garbage, sift thru it, glean out what you think is worthwhile and toss the rest of it out.

That should work.

BCO



RnMAdventures

Wow Don this thread lit up today.  

I hate to hear of your incident and I am glad yall made it home safe. Thanks for posting your experience. I had a similar nitemare with a RV. I have been struggling whether to get Coachnet, AAA, or just rely on my Progressive coverage. You have given me some insight on this.


You betcha, it shore did.  Last I observed it had over 600 hits, and that is good news, I don’t care where it is you live.  Good hunting on the policy and make sure you have all your bases covered, which as has been mentioned above, “doesn’t really mean a whole lot any more.”

Having beat this old tired horse too death, I am stopping here.  I am going to go back to work on my new home security system and try to raise some bucks to cover my losses. We will call it:


THE OKLAHOMA HOME SECURITY SYSTEM:

1. Buy a pair of size 14-16 work boots.

2. Put them on front porch with a copy of Guns & Ammo.

3. Put some giant dog dishes next to boots & magazines.

4. Leave note on your door:

"Bubba: Me & Bertha went to town for more ammo & beer.  Back soon.  Don't mess with the pit bulls; they messed the mailman up bad this morning.  I don't think Killer took part; hard to tell from all the blood. I locked all four of 'em in the house.  Better wait outside.  Be right back."        
 
~ Cooter

Now I am going to officially put this non-sense to bed, y’all have at it. 

Stick a fork in me I am done.

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Tevo on September 13, 2011, 05:18:20 PM
I've been lucky enough not to have to use Good Sam's Roadside assistance in my travel trailer or my new to me bus, but I can't say enough good things about them based on my experience with them on a motorcycle trip. I suffered a flat tire up near the arctic circle in Canada and used my only tube repairing it. Then I got a second one about 100 miles from Whitehorse in the absolute middle of nowhere. No tube and it was torn so the patch wouldn't hold. I managed to get my wife on my GPS beacon and then a brief cell signal, and she called Good Sam for me. All she had were GPS coordinates and a vague location I was able to convey, and within 3 hours two eastern european guys with a pickup showed up saying Good Sam had sent them. I was simply amazed they went to such lengths to get me, and will be a customer for life.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 13, 2011, 05:25:28 PM
I have incorporated several of these into my home security system.  Funny thing is they are portable and can be used on the bus as well. ;D
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q234/wal1809/hd.jpg)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 05:43:48 PM
You are never going to find a Road service that some one has not had a problem as far as Good Sams I had it for 1 year I got stuck on the beach in Texas I called they sent a 3/4 ton wrecker to pull me out that didn't happen lol so next day they sent a heavy duty wrecker for me he gets there and tells me I need to pay for extra service because I was more than 50 ft from a highway.
 
I called Good Sams because I never heard of such BS and the operator told me that was their policy read it and weep cost me 250.00 bucks for the tow driver to spool out 30 ft of extra cable that was the end of me and Good Sams never renewed by Good Sams card either and I only buy from Camping World when they sell for less than it cost them LOL  

Best advice for anybody is read the policy and know what it covers because when you need the service you may not have it,did I mention Good Sams sucks  

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: desi arnaz on September 13, 2011, 06:11:44 PM
who in there right mind would drive a bus 50 feet into the sand?


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 06:25:51 PM
Got news for you I do it all the time when the sand is wet the stuff is like driving on concrete but twice I got involved with fishing and forgot about the tide going out the sand dried and I was stuck I have been driving on sand my entire life stuck 2 times not bad for a guy that grew up on the coast huh

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 06:28:38 PM
The Way It Was.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQB1ha-edyk&feature=related#)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: RnMAdventures on September 13, 2011, 06:38:42 PM
You are never going to find a Road service that some one has not had a problem as far as Good Sams I had it for 1 year I got stuck on the beach in Texas

You got me curious, which beach were you on? Were you boondocking?


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Van on September 13, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
I just luuuv that video!! ;)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 13, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
I just luuuv that video!! ;)

Like the church lady sez Van-Man, "because you are soooooooooooo special."

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
On the Gulf of Mexico in Texas between High Island and Bolivar then we took the bus over to Galveston on the ferry a couple of times a week free nice little ferry trip

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: desi arnaz on September 13, 2011, 07:02:14 PM
keep in mind there was no disrespect meant. i would just never think of going anywhere near sand....


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 13, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
None taken Thomas but I park on the beach I don't like walking a 1/2 mile to fish lol

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: belfert on September 13, 2011, 07:44:45 PM
Coach-Net's policy is you must be within 100 feet of a maintained road or in a commercial campground to get towed.  If you need winch out or extraction services to get onto the road they only cover two hours of winch out service.

If I break down on the Black Rock Playa I am out of luck, but I have known that all along.  On the Playa the best policy is not to try to move if it does rain.  It will usually dry out within hours.  If you try to move when it is wet you likely sink to your axles.  I have spent about 4 weeks on the Playa in September and it has never rained yet.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: thomasinnv on September 13, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
Hey Clifford I do the same thing. If I don't know the beach I will walk it first to make sure there are no soft deep areas.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Tevo on September 13, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
I have spent about 4 weeks on the Playa in September and it has never rained yet.

It rained last year. Double rainbow and all.  ;D


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: pickpaul on September 13, 2011, 11:32:49 PM
A double rainbow??? :-)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dcf83410c7/insane-double-rainbow-guy (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dcf83410c7/insane-double-rainbow-guy)


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: wal1809 on September 14, 2011, 05:22:31 AM
Clifford I fish the coast all the time when the surf drops.  The trout and reds get in there thick.  I wouldn't be scared to drive the bus on wet sand but I can't ever find it.  We go to San Luis Pass on the south tip of Galveston and I can barely get a 4 wheel drive Excursion onto the beach, with a running start.  Are there any rv parks left on Boliver after Ike?  My sister in-law evacuated from Boliver.  There was very little remaining upon her return, maybe a piling here and there.  Hollar if you know of a good rv park over there, maybe farther up to Crystal Beach.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 14, 2011, 05:27:26 AM
A double rainbow??? :-)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dcf83410c7/insane-double-rainbow-guy ([url]http://http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dcf83410c7/insane-double-rainbow-guy[/url])


Man, I don't know what this guy was smokin, but I sure would like a bag of it for the weekend!

BCO


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on September 14, 2011, 07:08:25 AM
Oh my God!!!  ;D


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: luvrbus on September 14, 2011, 07:33:47 AM
Wayne, they started rebuilding the coast there when the wind and rain stopped, the park at Crystal Beach never closed when I get into the reds I forget about the bus lol ,fwiw you can drive all over the beach from High Island to Gilchrist in a bus the county does a good job keeping it graded

good luck


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: blank on September 14, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
  I read it all, but have some questions...

  Okay the road sucked, I get that. But how would bottoming out the suspension bend the air bag support?? Just trying to follow the chain of events here, hard to imagine bottoming wasnt considered when they built the Bus?

  You said the Bus was heavy, care to share what its running??

  Mine is not only going on a weight loss program, the conversion work will be considered with weight being the number one priority. Weight effects everything, load on structure, load your pushing up hill (makes heat, burns excess fuel), load your stopping, load the tires carry and make heat supporting, and loads over bumps. Balance falls in there somewhere too, fore and aft, port and starboard. Not good to put all your heavy crap on one side, lol.

  I always considered road service as the last resort, I think they all suck. I keep them for backup and will only call when im out of options. Also probably good to play dumb, the more you tell em the worse it gets. You probably would have lucked out better saying you dont know whats wrong, looks like blown air bag, they woulda just sent a low boy, lol.


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: akbusguy2000 on September 14, 2011, 09:03:25 AM
Full explanation can be found here:

http://boxcarokie.com/2010/05/01/air-bag-project-2007/ (http://boxcarokie.com/2010/05/01/air-bag-project-2007/)

tg


Title: Re: LEAVIN LAS VEGAS
Post by: pabusnut on September 14, 2011, 10:41:42 AM
BCO,

There is a shop right there in El Reno that has been building stuff for my projects for years!

....But it is a little hard (or easy depending on your point of view) to get a factory tour!!! ;D ;D  It appears to be an extremely high security facility that provides work opportunities to convicted felons!! :o

They make heavy duty pallet racking for the US GOV't.  Too bad they can't do private work!

Steve Toomey
PAbusnut