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Title: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: NCbob on October 16, 2006, 05:49:30 PM
We all, I'm sure, like to think that we work safetly and if one were to to screen records I feellconfident that we are pretty safe in that regard...but I'd like to share an experience as sort of a 'heads up' to help insure our record stays that way.  Since names aren't as important as the scenario, and I'm sure my volunteer assistant would just as soon he remain anonymous for what is ahead.  Should he wish to step forward and identify himself...I'm amenable to that....and many of you know of the instance so we'll just go on.....

One of our fellow BusNuts volunteered to spend a week or so helping me with projects that, for me, seemed to be overwhelming considering the overly ambitious schedule I'd laid out for myself, and I graciously acepted him at his word.  He arrived on time and we started.

Working on a new coach water system, we installed a previosly used tank in a different area, in the forward baggage bay, and proceeded to connect the pump, filters, tank fill and drain to the existing interior plumbing.  All went well until we found an unrepairable leak at one of the 'whole house' filters I'd bought from the E-place and found that the water we'd put into the tank was somewhat foul smelling.  Whether it was the long unused hot water tank or the FWT itself didn't matter...the solution was Clorox.

Since we'd designed a pressure (city) water fill it made sense to drain the tank and fill the hose with about a quart of Clorox and not only sanitize the tank but the new lines as well.  Since we thought we'd repaired the leak at the filter it was a simple thing to re-connect the hose (filled with Clorox) and test it again.

Now, here's the rub...and where it's soo important that there is a total communication between the workers involved.  When he re-connected the hose to the pressure water side...I noticed that he forgot to add the pressure reducer and I mentioned that fact.  He said, "Disconnect the hose and add it in", which I did, and ASSUMING that all was well on the other side of the bulkhead
used the 1/4 turn valve to turn the city water (which contained the Clorox) on, momentarily...but then thought.."Ooh...he might not be ready over there"...and turned it back off.....

That's when he bailed out and started screaming, "Clorox...get me water quick!"  Fortunately there was a gallon jug of water handy and we flushed out his eyes as best we could and loaded him for the ER which was only about 5 blocks away.

After about an hour of misery while they were flushing out his eyes, some drops and a few pain killers we brought him home for the night where we could be sure we could monitor his situation.

A trip to our Opthalmologist the next morning indicated that there was no long term damage..but we'll stay on top of that situation.  In the meantime the patient is not only being patient but is returning to normal as best that can be expected considering what he's been through.

I'm relating this for many reasons...one being that I, and I alone am repsonsible for this injury to my friend and would glady roast over a charcoal fire that to have seen it happen, and two...it could happen to anyone of us in a simple second of, "Not Paying Total Attention" when working on something as simple as water..which we wouldn't think would be a dangerous situation.

POINT!  Please pay much more attention to every aspect of every task you do, whether or not you have help, because the very life you save might be your own, or your sight, or a limb or even a finger!

Work safetly, my friends, in the hope that the 'journey' we like to think of as the conversion won't be to the hospital or the graveyard.

Offered in the hope that all will work and travel in total safety and good health.


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Gary LaBombard on October 16, 2006, 06:10:29 PM
I never have to worry about injuring someone else helping me. Never had any help. Just got no friends I guess. But glad that ---s is doing fine, these things can happen,

(1) I work wearing safety glasses all the time out of habit from working at GE. Saved my --s many times, many. This propably would of prevented a straight shot in the eyes to ---s today, maybe.

(2) Wear a ball cap also, (Bald), man the old hat has saved my butt, (head) a lot of time.

(3)Don't forget safety shoes, one time you drop a piece of 1/8" plate or angle iron etc. on your foot and man your day is ruined.

(4) Ear Plugs, oh yea, getting metal grindings out of the ears is fun, save your ears from dirt and noise and get some protection from noise even cutting the lawn. Who cares what others think!!

Think I said more than I should of as usual.

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Gary LaBombard on October 16, 2006, 06:12:36 PM
Hot dam, I'm one of the big boys now, just got my 101st. post, Full member now,  this is 102 I think!!

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: mikeH8H-649 on October 16, 2006, 06:25:52 PM
Bob sorry to hear about that but accidents do happen,I hope that he is going to be allright,I had bleach shot into my eyes onetime(long story) and it is no fun.Tell ---- that we hope he recovers soon and not to rush things I know they had my eyes bandaged for 6 days but that was 20 years ago and I have to agree with Gary I do not have that problem as i have not had any helper as of yet so I just manage to hurt myself     Mike

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: NJT5047 on October 16, 2006, 06:54:00 PM

Bummer man! Glad you got ---- flushed out quick...difference between eye damage and none.
Take good care of him....ya'll gotta be at BK's rally in 3 days! Don't forget your snowsuit! It's going to make T'ville feel like Miami in July! ;D
Wish I could join ya'll, but we'll be in Chimney Rock this weekend doing our 7th annual Burford Brothers shindig. We practice consuming...and playing music. If ya'll find yourselves in town, come on over Sat evening. Not too far as the crow flies. I know you love to drive! ;)
As the others say...garuntee I won't injure anyone...no one gets close to my bus! Too much like work. I'll spend hours doing things that should take minutes with a helper. :(
Best, JR
BTW, Gary, Anita will be up there on Sat nite too! Come on UP!


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: DavidInWilmNC on October 16, 2006, 07:36:23 PM
I'm with Gary about the safety glasses, ball cap, ear plugs/ muffs, and shoes. After a while, it's as natural as wearing a seat belt. I'll also add gloves to that list. I've started wearing latex gloves when using sealers, caulk, paint thinner, paint stripper, etc. Latex gloves sure make it a lot easier to clean up.

I also am unlikely to have a problem with hurting anybody else. I'm there working by myself 99% of the time. I've had a lot of small cuts, bangs, scrapes, etc, but I've fortunately missed out on all the big injuries. It's something to really be thankful for, that's for sure.


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: JerryH on October 16, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
I posted this once before on the old MAK board, but will (although embarrassed) share once again...

I was welding, not using OSHA approved "shorts" (yeah "shorts"). It was a hot summer day, wasn't going to be long. My shorts? A frayed pair of Columbia's. The frays ... or wicks as I refer to them now numbered a few around the bottom of each leg.

During one pass one of the frays got ignited by a spark. While welding I could smell something burning. Having an extinguisher and water within close proximity, I lifted my helmet to see what needed to be extinguished. Looking around, then quickly down I saw the flames. It was 'moi' that needed to be extinguished. :D

So my $0.02 ... when welding, be mindful of your surroundings (that which is flammable -- hopefully not you), wearing full coverage, and have a fire extinguisher on-hand.

Jerry H.

ahhh, one postscript:  About shorts ... "this season", while on the second floor of our shop, I was poking around in the ducting aisle.  I was wearing shorts (once again!) ... a piece of (sharp) duct fell down along my leg.  Ripped me open like butter.  A visit to the hospital and 18 stitches later I was home back to work.  Shorts?  Yeah, not really a good idea in a shop.  :D

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Abajaba on October 16, 2006, 09:04:10 PM
Shorts and welding?!?! ;D

A friend was only going to be welding a seat base for a van and was wearing shorts.  Somewhat baggy shorts.

He put the pieces to be welded between his feet so he could hold the pieces with his feet while he sat on the ground doing this. :o

I am told that he walked real gingerly for several days after that incident.  It seems that he got a SUN BURN in some delicate areas that don't normally see a lot of light and it pained him a bit.  I learned a less from that incident.  Jeans without holes or frayed edges and long sleeves. 

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: NewbeeMC9 on October 16, 2006, 09:07:11 PM
Hope the nameless is is alright :o, surley you're handing him cronies to ease the pain while you read the board to him. Glad to here he's recoverable and ya'll weren't working on the blackwater system.

old navy practices,
Valves and switches are "Open" or "Shut" which sound different over sound powered phones (and through bus walls) and less likely to be mistaken.

good to holler out and wait for repeat back or response while working around other people.


Simple but effective.

Hope you both feel better and thanks for thinking of the rest of us in safety

Maybe you can get him a woman and tell him she's goodlooking. :D

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2006, 08:13:34 AM
NCBob -

Good reminders.

I work with liquid chlorine daily, in much stronger concentrations than what you find in Chlorox.  Nasty stuff, even when splashed on damp skin, let alone the eyes.  Fumes can get you, too!

Glad your busnut friend is going to be alright.

FWIW. . .


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: plyonsMC9 on October 17, 2006, 08:44:33 AM

Thanks for sharing this with us.  And the rest of the busnuts who jumped in as well.  It's never easy to share the stories where something went wrong - much easier to talk about all our successes.  But - you may well save one, or many busnuts some future accident or pain.

This is a real value to the board and our busnut community.

Kind Regards, Phil

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: belfert on October 17, 2006, 09:22:26 AM
I started wearing safety glasses from day one of demo on my bus.  One of my friends thought that it is silly as he rarely wears safety glasses unless absolutely needed.

It was a damn good thing I wore them all the time as one day another friend hit me right in the eyes with something that would have meant serious injury if not for the glasses.

I feel naked working on the bus if I don't have my safety glasses.  I bought some real good ones so they are comfortable and replace them if they get so scratched that it bothers me.

Brian Elfert

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: boogiethecat on October 17, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
Shorts n welding.... well I do it daily and have been for years.  In fact I also wear only T shirts, use the plasma cutter and wear jap flaps/no socks.
The deal isn't what you wear -or not- it's as everyone has noted, how much you pay attention to what you're doing.
When welding, my personal game is to #1 do good welding, and in the process #2 pay attention to where the light from the weld goes.
I shield it with my left hand glove so I could just as well be stark naked and things would still be fine.  This is a good thing to learn because in the process you'll
be protecting others that may walk up unannounced while you're welding, it keeps a lot of hot balls from flying around everywhere (like onto windows in your bus, etc) and
it's not difficult to do.  Yes I occasionally get a spatter burn on my arm but it's not a big deal, and if I'm welding overhead I'll get out the leathers.
I also have a nifty 1/8" thick silicone foam sheet about 3ft square that I use to protect myself when welding or cutting in positions that I just can't shield with my gloves, and that sheet is VERY handy in keeping splatter off of things nearby when necessary, because it's really flexible and it doesn't burn at all.

I will argue for safety glasses though.  I spent most of my life with perfect vision and no glasses, nor safety glasses, and I got crap in my eyes all the time.
Then when I hit 50 and had to wear glasses 100% of the time, magically crap stopped getting in my eyes.  That's the one and only reason I won't get my eyes lasered...
I do like not getting crap in them anymore.  Glasses are good.

BTW if you should get steel in your eye, keep a neodymium magnet around... just hold it to your eye and even the tiniest shard or grinder bit will jump right out !
( It's as good a tool to have around as superglue is, in case you cut yourself really badly )

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: jjrbus on October 17, 2006, 01:17:27 PM
 I wear saftey glasses, ear protection and sometimes gloves, but I work in sandles, sneakers, barefoot, go figure!

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: brojcol on October 17, 2006, 05:20:11 PM
I like to work naked! ;)

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Nick Badame Refrig/ACC on October 18, 2006, 03:56:19 AM

Gary LaBombard
"Rustless Money Pit"
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      Burford Bros.
on: October 17, 2006, 08:26:18 AM      

JR, what exactly is the address of the Chimney Rock Burford Brothers shindig this Saturday.  Love to hear (Wynonna) sing you know.  This would be a kick to go to, email me if you wish the correct address so I can (Map Quest) how to get there from here.  We have no "GPS" as you know, when we left Timmonsville we were talking and talking about the weekend and "I" kept driving on I-95 and ended up driving over 40 miles the wrong way and had to go all the way back almost to Timmonsville to start over again to go the right way.  A short cut back over would have been 1 1/2 hours longer!!!  So, Back we went.  This is true!!  When talking about having a good time makes you drive 80 miles unnecessarly, You must have had a good time!!!  And we all did.

To add to the safety list, David is absolutely correct GLOVES are a necessity at all times.  I have sliced my left  welding glove with my grinder on 8 pair of gloves, that's right 8.  I will not tell you how but will tell you if you remove as much undercarriage as I have with just grinders you are gambling every, every day when laying on your back or kneeling on your hands and knees.  Here is the recommended gloves to wear to protect your hands, I just love playing my new Banjo & Taylor Guitar too.  When I lay on my back at times I actually just say a prayer that I do not let my grinder get away from me and wipe out my face as I have actually had to grind in areas only inches from my face.  So glad when I am done.  Oh, area so tight I could not use a full plastic face shield.  Sometimes you have to take a chance and you will if you have no choice but this is when the accident surely will happen on these type of gambles. 

(1) Gloves to use:
     Grinding,=welding gloves to protect arms and hands from sparks and the cutting wheel if oversized wheels for the design of the grinder are used and should not be but we all do this kind of stuff and this is an accident waiting to happen.

(2)  Handling metal, sheet metal and plate metal, again Welding Gloves to protect hands when the metal slips through your grip and a slice in the gloves is way more pleasureful to look at than a hand full of stitches.

(3)  Just working in shop moving tools etc. and light work I use the cotton gloves with non-slip stuff on both sides of gloves from Harbor Freight that they can be worn on either hand.  (Almost like two sided toilet paper).  Two sides, two uses!!

(4)  I even wear them when cutting the lawn, who cares what the neighbor thinks, the wheel does not slip in my hand and it is more comfortable driving in figure 8's with a good grip.

(5)  Tools, VERY IMPORTANT here and yes I am shouting this.  Get grinders that have dead man switches on them so that you have to activate the safety mechanism for them to come on at your choosing.  Do not, DO NOT get the cheap ones that are on at the flick of a switch and stay on.  I had one of these Chinese type grinders under my bus, it was not plugged in at the time and I was on my back, reached over to use it, saw it was not plugged in and plugged it in.  That darn grinder almost got me but good, I slid out real fast, cold not get to unplug as the grinder was way faster than me but went the opposit direction first to give me an opportunity to get out.   I was using a 1/16" cutting wheel, it would of carved me up but good.  ALWAYS use tools with the dead man's switch feature, never mind the cost cutting here!!!!   

When working on our buses the right approach to every task should be thought of as this and it works for me :Most of the time".  Always say,
HOW CAN I STOP FROM HURTING MYSELF TODAY ON THIS PROJECT!!  Always keep the worst scenerio in your mind,
(1) Losing one or more fingers from non use of gloves, No more guitar or banjo picking here now.

(2) no eye or eyes, from non use of Safety Glasses with side shields.

(3) stitches all over my face or body from lack of protective equipment such as Gloves, glasses, welding jackets, hats.

(4) burned clothes from welding with stringy sexy clothes  or "shorts" to be macho or comfortable in, not wearing a welding jacket to protect your arms and chest area from hot metal sparks and slag when welding or burning or grinding

(5) losss of one toe or foot because of not having on any steel toed shoes.  No more line dancing here for quite some time if ever.

(6) carved up face or body parts because your tools did not have a dead man's switch, (The tool price was great though when purchasing "right", and the tool was manufactured from CHINA),

(7) hearing loss in one or both of your ears from grinding dirt, noise from grinding in hollow metal all day long, pounding on steel framing or plate metal and the reverb was great when doing this.  But at all the bus rally's you start to talk very loud with no speaker system. Doctors love to remove METAL particles from the inner ears, Ear plugs cost $.18 each to me.  Constant noise from radio, grinder, hammering etc. will wear you out even if you don't do anything but just listen without them in your ears.

(  Stitches on top of your head from lack of wearing a hat, that is for whimps, don't want to get your curly hair all messed up and it sure ain't macho when your best friend comes over and sees you in your (Halloween Costume) you might say. 

There is many more scenerio's that fit here but these above effect me every day just as I open up my shop for a full day of work.  This is when I am AlWAYS working alone.  Multiply the above changes for an accident by (2) if you have help and now have to decide to look macho or whimpy in front of your HELP or friend. Does he know how to dial (911)?? just in case"!! 

Accidents surely will still happen but thinking about the above will minimize these accidents and sometimes help prevent those not thought of but before starting one task of any kind, think, "How Can I stop myself from getting hurt" and not thinking "How fast can I get this done!!!!!!!!!

Working with a second person has got to be great but I can easily see how accidents can happen even more easily. One person might be on a time schedule to be with the spouse etc. or getting a little luvin later on and not concentrating on what task you are working on.  You have to then think, do I ask this person to do this or that or wear this or that.  Not everone will be as safety consious as you hopefully are and take their time and remember there is someone else at the other end of a pipe, angle iron, siding or what ever. 

Wow, talk about rambling.  I am gald though that we are doing this, I am sure reading all these posts of accidents and how they may have been prevented may just stick in our minds from here on out while working on our babies!!

Thanks NCBob and ---s for sharing and starting this thread. 

Jr., Don't forget that address so we can come listen to Wynonna and of coarse Terri, John and You.  Great entertainers for sure. 
Sorry for the length of this bugger.

Last Edit: October 17, 2006, 08:29:33 AM by Gary LaBombard  

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: belfert on October 18, 2006, 05:52:36 AM
The tip on welding gloves with a grinder is a good one.  I've had my share of burns on the forearms from the grinder.  I'm mostly done grinding, but I am sure I will be doing more so I will pick up a pair of welding gloves.

Brian Elfert

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: NewbeeMC9 on October 23, 2006, 08:33:15 PM

How's the Anonymous Volunteer? 

and is he gonna be around to hand you cronies and read the board to you?


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: NCbob on October 24, 2006, 08:10:44 AM
John, the anonymous volunteer seems to have recovered completely, both physically and emotionally...and has left and gone on with his very busy life.

I am just pleased that all worked out well and I wish to thank him again, publicly, for his help.

Sure had my heart in my throat there for a while though....


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Lee Bradley on October 24, 2006, 01:28:55 PM
I fired 105s for the army and ran logging equipment before and after ... so my hearing is not the best.

My wife likes to check on-coming traffic from the right and reports 'No' or 'Go'; I check the traffic for myself.

Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Dreamscape on October 24, 2006, 05:23:01 PM
I totally agree with all, (well almost all) that was said regarding safety.
In my line of work SAFETY is the most important thing a person can do. I experienced the death of a co-worker who did not lock out the equipment. Do not wish that on anyone. So I stress safety at work everyday. You can never be too safe!
For the gentleman not wearing any safety glasses, he could turn out be like the one eyed carpenter. Sure they are a pain, damaging or losing an eye is much worse or a pain.
Just my two cents.


Title: Re: The importance of working safetly.......
Post by: Connel on October 25, 2006, 07:15:36 PM
Boy - after reading your post I'm kinda glad I work by myself.  No offense but it would be scary to have some of you working around me.

What's the ole saying - something about  You just can't get good help. LOL