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Title: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: plyonsMC9 on January 29, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
And so, my daughter asks whether we can take her and the rest of the high school cheerleading team to the cheerleading competition at the end of last week.  I have a week's notice so I say, no problem, being the ever-dutiful Dad.  Don't want to disappoint the team.   /sigh..
Bus needed 6 new tires. Purchase new tires & have them installed. Nice.  Safe.  No problem.  Family budget says problem.  But safe anyway...

Wife not comfortable since furnace not working.  Says I should get it fixed before trip.  Sounds reasonable.  We're outside of Chicago.  20 degrees forecast.  some snow.   OK.  No problem I says being ever-dutiful husband.   Begin furnace repair w/ friends..

Then, need to turn around bus at our new house rental property.  We are the renters.  Large grassy front yard.  No problem says I.  It's been at least a year since I was stuck on a grass lawn & I'm much wiser now.   :P   Many more tricks that I know now.  

I get twenty feet, and bus is stuck at odd angle.  Front end sinks into ground.  Permafrost not as frosty as I had thought.  Next morning I remember to release air in tag, friend builds plywood ramps.  This gets me another 20  feet, and bus is now lined up with its safe-haven packed gravel type driveway.  But I hit ice & bus will not move any more.  Need to go straight back 20 feet.

I've attached a picture to help.  Can't get tow truck in front of the bus w/o destroying new neighbors front yard.   Not good.  And yes, before anyone says anything, those are plastic Christmas decorations, reindeer & lights.  New neighbors moved in yesterday.  What do they see?  Giant bus stuck in mud, Christmas decorations, plastic soldiers, etc.   No need to mention any of this in the responses.  Wife already has.

Question:  Can the bus be pulled about 10 feet or so from the rear?  Is there any safe way to do this or sage advice?   If it is absolutely a disaster to do so, I will see about getting the bus & tow truck into the new neighbor's yard . It would demolish it pretty much the neighbor's yard the way it has ours, but better that than permanent bus damage.  I guess.

And yes, there probably should be a section for embarrassing stories, except that I think I would pretty much dominate that & it would get boring after a while.    :P

Kind Regards, Phil


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Van on January 29, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
Phil, I see tree's to the rear and a good anchor point, a block and tackle set up would surely help gain the mechanical advantage and help to get you cross the finis line. ;) good luck!


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: bobofthenorth on January 29, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
Short answer Phil is "Yes, you can pull it backwards".  The real question is what you are going to attach to but you're not really stuck if that picture is the current situation.  It won't take much to get it moving.  I'm not familiar enough with MCIs to tell you exactly what to hook to but I'm thinking maybe the radius rods.  Something solid as close to the axle as you can get.  Just watch to make sure that however you lead the pull out from underneath doesn't do more damage than the actual tow.  If you're lucky it will freeze hard tonight and maybe you can just drive it out in the AM.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: bottomacher on January 29, 2012, 02:11:31 PM
Try putting a bunch of kitty litter or other large abrasive (sharp stone)in the wheel path. Expanded metal lath works pretty well if ground is somewhat  hard.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: plyonsMC9 on January 29, 2012, 02:21:03 PM
Thanks all - so far, and we've been at this 3 days now - we've also attached my jeep in 4Wheel low & tried pulling - no joy.  jeep wheels just spun.  Tried coarse roofing shingles glued to plywood.  Rear single set of duals just spit that out after shredding..  problem is one set of duals is on slick ice.  We're @ about 29 degrees now.  No real cold in sight and in fact, going up to 50 in the next day or so.  Front end is about 6 - 7 inches deep in soft ground.  That would be on the passenger side.  Driver side, not so bad in front.  Haven't tried coarse kitty litter.  Concern is for warm weather upcoming.  Also, I'll need to be away beginning tomorrow so the whole mess may just have to sit for a week or so.  Unless I call out a truck now.

Thanks again!


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Lin on January 29, 2012, 03:06:22 PM
Could you get chains onto the drives?  Possibly using a larger steel plate could spread the load enough for you to jack up the sunken front wheel enough to fill the hole with gravel.  Also, since one drive is on ice, you might be able to reuse your plywood but adding something for traction to the bottom (large nails?) so it will dig into the ice rather than fly off.  Do you have room to use a bungee tow rope?


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: bobofthenorth on January 29, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
We're all just glad we're too far away to really help Phil.   ;D  So we can sit here and offer good (?) advice without having to get all muddy and sweated up.

You have to get the front end out of the hole to have any hope of getting out on your own.  I've been in those situations and its never easy to convince yourself to start jacking but that's probably the only way out short of a big wrecker with a good winch.  If you can get the front up (both sides) so it can roll easily then as someone else suggested maybe tire chains.  If you don't have chains a collection of smaller chain jammed in next to the drives so that it gets sucked under them when they start to turn will sometimes give you enough traction to get moving.

Some people have luck with tow straps and smaller vehicles taking a run at the job but that always scares me.  Too much chance of a broken strap going somewhere you don't want it to - like through a window or the back of somebody's head.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: luvrbus on January 29, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
Old carpet works wonders

good luck


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Lin on January 29, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Just a note here.  I have seen some people unable to move on an ice patch on a hill while others drive around them with no problem.  The weight of you foot on the throttle can be very important.  Be very gentle!


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: wildbob24 on January 29, 2012, 03:36:31 PM
Phil,

If your RF tire is 6 or 7 inches in the ground, your axle is pretty much on the ground. You will have a hard time jacking it up, especially on soft ground.  You're not going to move with your Jeep either. We are, after all, talking about 14+ tons of bus.

 If I were you, I'd call the big hook out and let a pro winch you out. Be a lot safer. Bite the bullet and call it a lesson learned.

Bob


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Van on January 29, 2012, 04:22:50 PM
Heres one, got levelers? Hmmm.. ;D


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: blank on January 29, 2012, 05:11:05 PM
  At best, the Jeep would have less than its weight in pulling force. That would be on rough warm dry blacktop, on snow or ice it could drop to almost zero. With the front sunk down you could likely exceed the full weight of the Bus in pulling load before it will move, the rears will never do it no matter how much traction you find. There isnt any come along or hand winch thats going to give you that kind of pull. A large wrecker could pull it with a winch, and they dont have to be right behind, they can pulley off something else, that tree perhaps.

 You MUST jack up the front and get the front tires on solid ground. Put heavy planks down under the fronts to support the weight. Once its on flat ground it wont be as hard to move. Getting those tags up off the ground will help a great deal. Even if a big wrecker could pull it out, not getting those front up could damage something pulling that hard.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: plyons on January 29, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
Great advice fellow bus follk.  Really appreciate it.  Sounds like key is front end - right side tire.  Maybe I could dig out an incline so it is just not a solid hole?  Will explore the jack option.  Maybe I can borrow heavy something to put jack on.  find planks to put under tire once it is jacked up. 

Cat litter did give minimal traction, but mostly bus won't move more than an inch or so.  Probably if front not so deep would have helped more.  I don't have levelers Van.  Thank you -

I"ll keep tags w/o air pressure. 

unfortunately have to leave bus now as is  for several days as must travel, handle day job, etc..

Kind Regards, Phil


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: chev49 on January 29, 2012, 06:35:21 PM
Its nothing that cant be blocked up and create you own road for a ways.  You may need lots of blocks and boards and 3/4 plywood on top helps.  Gotta be easier than blocking up a piece of heavy equipment in the mud..


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: buswarrior on January 29, 2012, 08:04:38 PM
And you've been stuck on the lawn before...????

WTF did you go out there for? There no roads you can drive on to turn the coach around?

I'm only being a prick because the rest are being too kind, and you need to be told.

Ok, enough scolding and ridicule for the moment.

Time and the weather are your enemies.

Never mind the rest of the bullshit, that coach will come out of there on its own, provided you make sufficient preparations.

Get digging so that the sunken front tire has a ramp. If you think you've dug enough, dig some more! There better be a couple wheel barrows worth of material removed, if it really is down 6 inches.

And keep digging until it is DEEPER than the tire and put gravel in the bottom of the ramp so it has half a chance to roll out without sinking in further. You will note the ground gets softer the deeper you go... oh dear.

And dig on both sides of the tire, both the direction of intended exit, as well as the opposite direction, as well as beside the tire to be sure it is free and not bound. A lick of ice makes the whole thing a waste of time. Ice bound tires will not come out.

A coach CANNOT pull itself out of a wet paper bag, never mind sunken muddy divots.
However, a coach is able to pull itself up an incline, especially if it is on the move before encountering the incline.

Once the digging is done, your first move is forward, against the forward slope, and park it there, and go back and check your sad attempts at digging. Make more digging and then you are ready to try backwards. The trick is to run at the other slope, in the precious few inches of movement you have. Get against the slope, and if it stops, SO DO YOU! Do not spin the tires. I repeat, do not spin the tires. Same again, as your movement forward, leave it parked hard against the back of the slope and inspect and dig some more.

You will get yourself a trough of sorts, that you run back and forth in until you make the adjstments to the ramp so that it can roll out. Take the lazy man's way out and just try to make it go? Do you wonder what happens when the trough is so deep that the body touches down? Get out and look and adjust on every move.

Did I say, DO NOT SPIN THE TIRES? If they spin, you have not done sufficient preparation, go back to the shovel. Spin them, and you get to do MORE digging. This is not your swamp buggy, it is a coach, it only knows three things, back and forth and DOWN. Down is the default if back and forth are not possible.

Are you tired of digging yet? Go ahead and spin them tires some more then...

Also, pay attention to the rest of the wheels, every quarter inch of sunken mud will add up to defeat your attempt.

Ice under one drive? You don't have sand and salt there somewhere? Leave the tag axle air alone, the drives will just sink in harder. You may deflate the side on the hard ice, but don't deflate if on soft ground... or you get to dig some more...

But, I expect by the time you get back, the thaw will sink in the other tires, and then it will freeze again before you get back...

Did I forget to rudely question why you were on the lawn in the first place?

Do you have one of those AED things for the heart attack?

I only grudgingly give you part marks for exposing yourself so that we may turn this into an educational experience for the uninitiated busnuts in the congregation viewing this with amusement or trepidation.

Busnuts who drive on lawns get stuck. Bring a shovel.

happy coaching!
buswarrior



 


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: blank on January 29, 2012, 10:27:00 PM
  I dug ramps when I was a kid and didnt know better, I don't screw around with that crap anymore. Just jack the dude up and get a plank under it. Easier, faster, better results.

  Besides the two dozen some Buses we hauled for ourselves, I contracted for $100 to $150 a tow (depending on distance), to use our wrecker to tow over 200 other junk Buses, mostly GM and AMGeneral transits for other guys to scrap, maybe a few Flxibles. While most were easy tows out of blacktop lots, more than a few were buried in a backyard somewhere with one or more wheels sunk up to the axle. Trying to drag some of them out was only going to bust my truck, and I didn't have all freaken day to be out there digging ramps or watching someone else suffer doing it, we tried that. All the digging I care to do is just enough to place a jack, get a plank under if needs and haul buns.

 The worst was dragging a 4104 out from in back of Lorenz Bus Co over in Blaine. It had sat out back 20 years while trees grew up around it. We had to cut over 40 trees down to clear a path. The Bus had no axles, so we made some rollers from a few trees and we rolled it out. We had to roll it almost 300 feet to where a lowboy could back under it. Lot of work for not much to show for it, and Al was .65 all that summer and gas was a buck. I could make more money in one day hauling them than we ever made wrecking even one of them damn things.

 

 
 

   
 

 


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: jjrbus on January 30, 2012, 02:26:32 AM
I ended up in the same situation, no way to get wrecker to it. Unless you consider taking down the friend's neighbors fence, tearing up their yard and reinstalling fence and restoring yard an option ??? This is friends yard, friend and neighbor are feuding.

 Bus was in too deep to use jack.

 Any way with the help of  friend, and some cut up scrap 2X4, 6 and 8's, some gravel (crushed stone) I was able to dig a little bit in front and rear of the tires. I could move the bus a couple inches. In went some stone, was able to move just a bit more and the bus was a bit higher, added wood and stone,  back and forth add a little, painfully slow at first, but got bus to ground level. In reasonable amount of time.

 Cut some plywood in half lengthwise, 4 sheets,  put in front of tires. Rear tires spit plywood out the back!  Added 2X2 cleats crosswise to plywood. There is a slight grade and tires are full of mud and slide on plywood, need to put gravel on plywood. /Move bus a couple feet, move plywood, move bus, move plywood add gravel.  I could go cross country like this. Should have made a video.

                                                                                                                                  HTH                   JIm 0311

 ps,  Don't plan on using plywood for another project ;D


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: buswarrior on January 30, 2012, 07:21:01 AM
jjrbus describes the activities in the Sahara during World War II, both of the Axis and the Allies.

Nothing glamorous, makes for a boring movie, inch by inch, it goes up and along a bit and then keep transferring the assisting materials.

Stay off the lawn. Park on planks. Bring a shovel.

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Busted Knuckle on January 30, 2012, 07:56:34 AM
My question is what are ya gonna do once it's back 10'?
It's still gotta come forward to leave right? 
OK now where is the driveway? I don't see it in the pictures.

And of course yes a good operator of a big tow truck will be able to get you out of that mess NO PROBLEM. There is the option of using a snatch block (block & tackle as referred to by someone) off the tree behind it.
But if it were me I'd just pull it back forward and onto the driveway and back it up the driveway where it needs to be anyway.

If you intend to park it beside the drive as it's normal parking place in the future, then you'll need to "build" a parking pad for it.
When building a parking pad it is best to get a back hoe and dig out about 6" of top soil for 60-80' and have about 1-2 loads of LARGE stone (when I used to drive dump truck we referred to it as #2 stone) hauled in. Put a layer of about 4 or 5" of #2 and level it. Then have about 2 loads (or more if needed) of #53 limestone hauled in and leveled to where it is about 2" higher then the surface. With driving and parking on it it will settle about to the same level as the drive. Make sure you make it long enough to have a good approach & room to swing the rear of the bus over where you want it and also to be able to swing the front either way to maneuver it to the exact spot that you desire to park it.

If you plan to go ahead and use it for the cheerleaders just have a wrecker get you unstuck and leave it on the drive for now. Once home from using it you'll be able to back it up the drive as far as you want if you stay on the drive and keep moving at a  steady pace until you are there. No riding the brakes or moving 4-6 inches at a time and stopping to check. (get a trusted spotter with either walkie talkies or cell phones put yours on "speaker phone" and leave it where you can hear it and follow your spotters directions by letting them do the talking!

OH and by the way don't even think you are close to being stuck! I'll try to post pics of a stuck bus later! BTDT HTTSTSFI! (been there done that & have the T shirt to show for it)
;D  BK  ;D


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Lin on January 30, 2012, 08:10:08 AM
Not to change the subject to much, but haven't there been some discussions about the legality/liability of dong things like transporting cheerleader groups?


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: blank on January 30, 2012, 08:53:40 AM
Not to change the subject to much, but haven't there been some discussions about the legality/liability of dong things like transporting cheerleader groups?

  From a liability standpoint, I wouldnt take anyone anywhere who wasn't a close relative or close personal friend. Your kids friends are not your personal friends, their parents have the right to sue you even if the kid doesnt want them to. Cheerleading is a school function, let the school contract for it, or let the other kids parents worry about getting them where they need to go. Thats why we put "private" on the Bus. You generous offer of a free ride could cost you a lifetime of financial grief if anything goes wrong.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Scott & Heather on January 30, 2012, 09:36:01 AM
When we got our MCI stuck, we took tire chains, wedged them as far as we could under the drive wheels. Aired down the tags, aired down the drive tires too if you can (trust me I've 4x4'd enough to know how much low tire pressure increases traction in these situations. I've run 15 psi before and gone places with my 4x4 toyota pickup you can't imagine). Chains and lower tire pressure work wonders. Try it...super early in the morning when the ground is most frozen...


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Van on January 30, 2012, 01:29:37 PM
Reconnoiter the area.
Estimate the situation.
Calculate the resistance.
Obtain the ratio.
Verify the solution.
Erect the rigging.
Recheck the rigging.
You are ready.
 Well whadya know! that spells RECOVERY! ;)

   All others, if you cannot perform those tasks, best to leave it to the pro's just to be safe! ;)(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/cwvanhagen/animated-avatars0111.gif)
             ;D Van ;D
 The mud diver man


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: PCC on January 30, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
If I had pulled from the back, I might have saved myself.

My drivers got stuck in mud the day after a good rain. The tow vehicle hooked up to my front tow hooks, and pulled. The chain decided to etch the inside of my windshield from the outside.

Got out of the mud when the ground dried (2 days later) and the new windshield arrived 9 days later.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: luvrbus on January 30, 2012, 02:27:17 PM
Same applies to a bus as a dump truck always back in to a space from the road never head into unfamiliar ground " back" saves a lot of problems this advice comes from a guy who buried one on the Gulf of Mexico beach lol

good luck


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: gus on January 30, 2012, 03:30:08 PM
The tires on the ice are almost as important as the ones in the mud because they will providemost of the traction to move out of the hole.

So, they need something that will keep them from spinning.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on January 30, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
I got a vw bug stuck in a field once. ;D


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Van on January 30, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
I could just picture that ed ah ah ah ;D



Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Dave5Cs on January 30, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
I use those brown with holes in them rubber mats they sell at Costco. They are about 48"X 36". I took my skil saw and split them in half long way I carry them with me. If stuck in mud or icey mud. Dig behind the front tire and in front as a small ramp. Just below the bottom of the tire. put some post hole concrete with gravel in it on both sides 1 bag per tire. Then lay the rubber mats tight to the rear wheels depending on which way you want to move ( foreward in front of the tire backward in back of the tire. if you lay a piece of 3/4 plywood down first make sure it is about 2 inches away from the tire so that the rubber is ontop of it but hangs over the edge toward the tire.

When you back up it will stand so to speak on the rubber into the dirt or mud etc. and then back up onto the rubber mat. It works every time. Go very slowly but steady. If it is really deep let the concrete dry over night or 2!

Dave


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Van on February 07, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
 Bump


unfortunately have to leave bus now as is  for several days as must travel, handle day job, etc..

Kind Regards, Phil

 Surely you must be out by now ;D, any luck Phil?  :)


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: viento1 on February 07, 2012, 10:29:32 AM


Getting to the proper jack points... impossible!  use the lugs to fasten a home made bracket to the wheels. Use bottle jack to lift the wheel, fill in the big hole. Repeat on other side and tags... works like a charm.

Or

Buy  a kinetic rope. I have had the bus belly resting on soft sand and the tide was rising. Some crazy fool used a stretchy rope and pulled me out with a dodge pickup... amazing process. I now keep a kinetic rope on the bus at all times. Wish I were there to play in the mud with you.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: desi arnaz on February 07, 2012, 01:56:01 PM
  this may sound stupid but what if you filled  the airbags all the way up then blocked the frame  then let all the air out? would that help/work?


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Jriddle on February 07, 2012, 02:30:41 PM
Buy  a kinetic rope. I have had the bus belly resting on soft sand and the tide was rising. Some crazy fool used a stretchy rope and pulled me out with a dodge pickup... amazing process. I now keep a kinetic rope on the bus at all times. Wish I were there to play in the mud with you.

I have seen this was quite amazed wasn't a bus though.


John


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: bobofthenorth on February 07, 2012, 03:58:25 PM
  this may sound stupid but what if you filled  the airbags all the way up then blocked the frame  then let all the air out? would that help/work?

In short, no.

You'd get the body up but the problem is that the tires are sitting in holes.  If he's down so low that the belly is creating suction to the ground then he's really in trouble.  In that case raising the body is part of the solution but he still needs to get the tires out of their holes.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: blank on February 07, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
  this may sound stupid but what if you filled  the airbags all the way up then blocked the frame  then let all the air out? would that help/work?

In short, no.

You'd get the body up but the problem is that the tires are sitting in holes.  If he's down so low that the belly is creating suction to the ground then he's really in trouble.  In that case raising the body is part of the solution but he still needs to get the tires out of their holes.

  I explained this earlier. You can either jack up the weight of the entire Bus, or only the weight of the axle. Raising the Bus and blocking it will allow you to jack the axle quite easily after blowing the air. One the axle comes up, fill the hole, and raise the Bus with air. A low profile floor jack should be able to be slid under the axle enough to lift it.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: jjrbus on February 08, 2012, 12:03:54 AM
Usually once you are stuck there is no place to put a floor jack. Even if you can get it under the bus, without blocking the jack will only sink. Unless of course you are stuck on concrete ;D I do like the lugnut jig idea sounds good?   JIm 0311


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: wg4t50 on February 08, 2012, 03:44:37 AM
Seems getting the bus unstuck is not the issue, seems the issue is to get as much mileage out of such a stupid subject.
If getting the bus unstuck and under way, one would have a suitable wrecker, simply extract it.  Where am I wrong ?  :o


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: JackConrad on February 08, 2012, 05:41:18 AM
We carry a "snatch strap" rated at 40,000 lbs. Have not used it yet an hope we never do, but it is nice to have Just In Case.  Jack


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: chev49 on February 08, 2012, 07:28:08 AM
Seems getting the bus unstuck is not the issue, seems the issue is to get as much mileage out of such a stupid subject.
If getting the bus unstuck and under way, one would have a suitable wrecker, simply extract it.  Where am I wrong ?  :o

Some of us would rather get out in the mud and jack the thing up... ;D


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: buswarrior on February 08, 2012, 10:08:39 AM
Go back and view the original pictures.

Only through complete misapplication of efforts will that coach require anything more than some shovel work at the tires.

Getting to be a long winter, and we're bored and cabin feverish?

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Len Silva on February 08, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Just hook a chain to the reindeer.


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: bevans6 on February 08, 2012, 12:05:45 PM
I can't believe it's still stuck - it's been weeks!  Anyway, get a big plastic bag, connect it to the bus air system, pump it up and the bag will gently lift (or rip) the bus up out of the holes.  They sell them, maybe you can rent one.  Used in all sorts of industries for rigging things, and in accident response.  They used one to lift a train off someone in Toronto once.

http://www.hovair.com/products/matjacks/air-lifting-bag-index.html (http://www.hovair.com/products/matjacks/air-lifting-bag-index.html)

A 5 foot diameter bag stuck under the bus would lift with a little over 2800 lbs of force per PSI of air inflation.  In theory.   ;D

edit:  Ha!  I was right!  found this...   http://www.windsorfire.com/divisions-apparatus-equipment-extrication-tools-pneumatic-lifting-bags (http://www.windsorfire.com/divisions-apparatus-equipment-extrication-tools-pneumatic-lifting-bags)    apparently they have some made for buses that use only 7.5 psi, and other that use high pressure including from vehicle air brake systems...  so call your local fire department and get them to run a training exercise!



Brian


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Jeremy on February 08, 2012, 02:03:20 PM
There are inflatable jacks which work of the vehicle's exhaust. Not perhaps much use lifting a bus though.

I claim no expertise at all in dealing with this kind of situation but my instinct is that what is really required here is a pull or push, not a lift. The bus is stuck on an icy surface, not up to it's sills in mud or sand. And is the push or pull required even that great? The bus is operational so it's not like you're trying to pull a dead weight. You can get hand-operated Tirfor winches which will lift 5 tons, and that's before using snatch blocks to increase the purchase. Wouldn't this be more than enough to help the tyres get a grip?

Jeremy



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Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: robertglines1 on February 08, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
 :o Got a few chuckles out of this one. Doing what I did as a profession and being a hard headed do it myself type. I understand!! Will admit We have winch trucks sitting around and would not be a problem.  This is one best to spend a few bucks on if you don't have the T-Shirt.(been there done that).  Probably less than $75. Plus no one gets hurt.  I have seen your daugther!  Seams to me she could charm enough team members to push or lift the bus out :o.   Tuff to be a dad of a teenage daugther.  Bob


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: buswarrior on February 08, 2012, 07:05:23 PM
Those recovery bags do indeed run on only a couple pounds of air.

At the roll over recovery demonstrations I've been at, they bring volunteers out from the audience, whip off the hoses and tell them to cap it with their hands. Pretty good comedy when you add in some fake anxiety!

Well Phil, what's going on???

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: Kwajdiver on February 14, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
I've been reading all of this..... Is the bus still stuck??????

Bill


Title: Re: Bus stuck again - more comic relief from Lyons Moose bus - tow question
Post by: chev49 on February 15, 2012, 03:40:30 AM
I think the topic is   ;D