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Title: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: fortyniner on October 09, 2012, 07:16:04 PM
This is some really incredible work! This might be old news to most of you but this is one of the highest quality cabinet work I have ever seen in conversion.

Silverside Project 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6pCnIUtkqg&feature=relmfu#ws)

-Tom P.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: opus on October 09, 2012, 07:40:55 PM
I'd be afraid to drive it.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 09, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Well I wonder who owns that bus


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: garhawk on October 10, 2012, 05:57:17 AM
Wish I could touch it!


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Le Mirage on October 10, 2012, 05:58:09 AM
«Arts & Crafts»....fantastic! No words.....Congratulations....


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Hard Headed Ken on October 10, 2012, 06:34:19 AM
I'd like to put a 14 Liter in it or maybe a DD16.

Ken


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 10, 2012, 06:48:00 AM
That one gets a DDEC  6-71L Ken it won't be a four stroke lol

good luck


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Hard Headed Ken on October 10, 2012, 07:37:21 AM
OK, maybe not a 14 liter. Don't say not a 4 Stroke

(https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9Xv0QOH_HT4ZHlFMmE4Y0puYWM)
(https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9Xv0QOH_HT4Z2twS0JhR1R1Vzg)


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Oonrahnjay on October 10, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
  OK, maybe not a 14 liter. Don't say not a 4 Stroke   

    @ Ken - Two strokes are like a slobberin' dog.  Ya gotta love 'em (and feel good for the people that have them) but i wouldn't wanna *own* one!


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: pipopak on October 10, 2012, 07:53:13 AM
While I am impressed with the quality of the conversion, I do not agree with a few things, like the microwave and the overhead cabinets. The micro is a very nice setup, but is wasting a whole cabinet under it just for the thrill of seeing it go up and down. Also when something goes wrong with it and has to be replaced, another one the exact same size and shape will have to be found or a cabinet rebuild will be in order.
The top cabinets are very nice also, but with a curved roof and curved fronts there is not a whole lot of available space inside.
Seems to me like those oh so beautiful hot rods that are trailered from show to show because they are impossible to drive.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Lin on October 10, 2012, 08:31:15 AM
One can't fault the work and general cleverness.  It's for a very specific situation though and surely would not work for everyone, but it's great if it suits your needs.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 10, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
It does get a 6l71 DDEC 330 hp and the 4 speed stays on the steering column pretty neat huh the guy has one of the most beautiful Eagles on the road   

I am just waiting to see what he does to his Crown he is a class act and he loves that old GM plus he has the best converter in the business in Larry it will be one of a kind


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: TomC on October 10, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
Great workmanship and design in keeping with the year of the bus.  But-obviously for weekend trips with the kids.  Didn't see any hanging space, and didn't see at least a 2 burner cooktop to make breakfast for all the hungry mouths.  It has great eye candy appeal especially with the color changing LED rop lights (just like you'd have in your house!).  But-that's why we all make our own to our specifications.  Good Luck, TomC


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: boxcarOkie on October 10, 2012, 02:32:37 PM
It does get a 6l71 DDEC 330 hp and the 4 speed stays on the steering column pretty neat huh the guy has one of the most beautiful Eagles on the road  

I am just waiting to see what he does to his Crown he is a class act and he loves that old GM plus he has the best converter in the business in Larry it will be one of a kind

Clifford, is this Mark's Silver Side we are looking at here?

Jus wunderin

BCO


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: sdc53 on October 10, 2012, 05:35:01 PM
I saw this one online before and thought it was being converted in OR?  Who is doing this work? 


Scott
'69 4107
Gladstone, OR


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: DMoedave on October 10, 2012, 06:02:40 PM
that bus looks great! is that being done at the Hinkley yard in Maine? lol. the best comment was keeping the original seatto keep as much original as possible. thats one nice job but that has to be over 75k in woodwork by itself!


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Dreamscape on October 10, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
Yip, That's Boomer's! Mark sent me a few pics early on. I haven't seen it in person yet, but will before we leave Oregon!. 8)


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Mex-Busnut on October 11, 2012, 06:35:42 AM
An awesome conversion indeed, with a lot of thought put into keeping it as 1940's as possible. Very high level of craftsmanship. I wish I was that creative!

I liked the way half of the dinette seating slides out. I have never seen one like that before.

There IS one "hanging" place in the tiny closet in the captain's room, if you look closely. Enough for a weekend of clothes.

But as others have said, surely not an ideal full-timing family conversion. More like a weekend only rig. And a stove maybe is being replaced by an electric cook top (is that what you call those?) that they put away in the cupboard?


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: belfert on October 11, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
I really like the way they did the bunks with the ladder.  I might steal that idea.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Uglydog56 on October 11, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
My FIL is a great woodworker, and he is doing my dinette and sectional this spring.  I think I might steal the sliding dinette idea. 


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 11, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
I cannot wait to see the 47 model Flx that Larry (Paradise Coach) is going to convert that one should be show stopper also

good luck


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 11, 2012, 09:31:19 PM
The dinette table has a leaf to increase the length.  The sliding forward seat is to accomodate the sofa sleeper when it is extended into a bed.  The micro lowering to below the deck is to provide some countertop space which would be minimal with a micro sitting on the countertop.  It's the largest convection available and is the primary cooking appliance; secondary is BBQ and a portable induction top.  The curved upper parcel racks are part of the theme and actually hold a lot.  Squared off cabinets in a rounded GM look bad and really cut down on walk though space IMO.  Small as it is, it will sleep 6 to 8 in various combinations of kids and adults.  Bunk lengths are 6'4".  Bunk room is built to be removed if desired and can then hold a king  or queen  bed crosswise. Sofa sleepers front and rear.  Aft room has two small wardrobe closets, that's it for hanging items. 155 fresh, 155 black/gray, Coleman 2 ton plus basement heat pump A/C ducted through parcel racks (a clean roof line); Webasto hydronic heat; twin Magnum 2800's; 5 AGM 8D's charged by the engine alt, shore, or Wrico 10KW gen.  Can run one evaporator off the inverter over the road.  Other upgrades to the chassis: Silverleaf 440, electric wiper/washers, mirror heat, windshield heat, power steering, all LED lights, rebuilt eng/trans (330 hp DDEC II 6L71T w/jake, cruise, etc.).  I have completely restored the exterior to stock cir. 1947 PGL including rebuilding all windows with new glass and rubber, creating Greyhound dogs and target sign, etc.  Original paint reproduction by Mike Wilson (urathane w/clear).  Estimated finished wet weight, 24,000 a nice power to weight ratio.  There you have it.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: fortyniner on October 11, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
Its a work of art Boomer. Very classy.

Tom P.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: boxcarOkie on October 12, 2012, 04:54:30 AM
The dinette table has a leaf to increase the length.  The sliding forward seat is to accomodate the sofa sleeper when it is extended into a bed.  The micro lowering to below the deck is to provide some countertop space which would be minimal with a micro sitting on the countertop.  It's the largest convection available and is the primary cooking appliance; secondary is BBQ and a portable induction top.  The curved upper parcel racks are part of the theme and actually hold a lot.  Squared off cabinets in a rounded GM look bad and really cut down on walk though space IMO.  Small as it is, it will sleep 6 to 8 in various combinations of kids and adults.  Bunk lengths are 6'4".  Bunk room is built to be removed if desired and can then hold a king  or queen  bed crosswise. Sofa sleepers front and rear.  Aft room has two small wardrobe closets, that's it for hanging items. 155 fresh, 155 black/gray, Coleman 2 ton plus basement heat pump A/C ducted through parcel racks (a clean roof line); Webasto hydronic heat; twin Magnum 2800's; 5 AGM 8D's charged by the engine alt, shore, or Wrico 10KW gen.  Can run one evaporator off the inverter over the road.  Other upgrades to the chassis: Silverleaf 440, electric wiper/washers, mirror heat, windshield heat, power steering, all LED lights, rebuilt eng/trans (330 hp DDEC II 6L71T w/jake, cruise, etc.).  I have completely restored the exterior to stock cir. 1947 PGL including rebuilding all windows with new glass and rubber, creating Greyhound dogs and target sign, etc.  Original paint reproduction by Mike Wilson (urathane w/clear).  Estimated finished wet weight, 24,000 a nice power to weight ratio.  There you have it.

Mark,

Driving an American Classic (30 year old coach) I can easily relate to all of this.  Where I live we have a saying that goes something like this:  "There are two ways to buy oats, you can buy them before they have gone thru the horse or you can buy them after."  

This is definitely before.

It is quality work, well thought out, eye candy for any bus guy, and the ideas are fresh, innovative and most of all, it is not the same old "cookie cutter" mentality you see in a lot of coaches.  

Keeping the basic curb appeal of the Silver Sides on the exterior, at the same time updating to LED technology is good thinking.  Outside stays basically the same, while on the inside changes to the interior radically improve the living space.

Most of the people on this board and other bus boards, have never been inside a bus like this, so they most likely miss the curved ceilings and other obstacles.  I used to ride them quite often when I was a kid, my Dad used to call the "Cat Eyes" because of the windows in the rear.  You and your people are doing a super, standup job, I don't care what anyone sez.

Kudo's.

How are you going to run the grain on the floor?  I am curious about that.

BCO


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: sdc53 on October 12, 2012, 05:03:22 AM
Nice craftsmanship.  We're almost neighbors if you ever want to show it in person.


Scott
'69 4107
Gladstone, OR


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 12, 2012, 06:30:36 AM
Larry will be flooded with with the retro conversions he may not ever work on newer bus lol but give Boomer a little credit he is there everyday working too


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 13, 2012, 08:15:56 AM
Thanks, BCO.  The floor will have a single 1" wide light colored piece right down the center, then the 4" floor pieces will be laid diagonally to it, completely fore to aft.  I always liked Silversides but had never contemplated restoring one until I found this one.  The body and trim were in the best shape of the many I have seen and  it was unmolested in so far as not having holes cut in the sides or roof.  It was all there.  That was the good part.  However, like most of them it had a back yard hack conversion done to it, probably in the '70's from the look of it, which had to be gutted clear down to the skin.  I spray foamed the roof and panel insulated the sides.  The bus sat dormant in Apache Junction, AZ for 26 years, baking in the sun.  Every single piece of rubber in the brake system, glass, moldings, etc. had to be replaced.  The bus went down due a fan blade on the OEM variable pitch fan coming off and going through the radiator.  Before the owner got to fixing it he died of cancer, so there she sat till I came along and took pity on her.  Another thing that was attractive about this particular unit was that it was operated new by Pacific Greyhound Lines, San Francisco.  Their number K554 originally.  So most of it's life it roamed up and down the west coast and across the desert as far as Salt Lake City and El Paso.  PGL was the biggest and most profitable division of the Hound in those days and their maintenance was steller.  Even though this one no doubt crossed Donner Pass many times, there is no chain damage to the body.  Also, it had never had the rear bulkhead repair that is so common to Silversides.  The plates you see above the rear wheel wells on lots of Silversides are a dead give away to this issue, it was a GHL field repair of the day.
There will be a more professional video and photo spread taken when it's completed, and it WILL be at the Blytheville, AR gathering in April.  Thanks, guys.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 13, 2012, 08:20:32 AM
I want a sound track when Gene fires the DDEC 6-71 Boomer lol  that will be a sweet sound

good luck


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 13, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
I forgot to mention that the most extensive facet of this whole project has been the wiring, both chassis and house.  All the OEM chassis electrical system and wiring were removed.  Pretty hard to save 65 year old fabric insulated wiring that has been baked.  I was able to hire a major converter's electrical engineer to CAD design and build all the harness's for both systems.  The design and wiring, both chassis and house are works of art.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 13, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
Clifford, the initial start up and run in has already been done.  The engine/trans were fitted into one of Gene's donor buses for final fitting, especially the exhaust system, which was difficult (I wanted a muffler!).  I even have an Eagle part on her to make you happy:  a M-05 expansion tank (it had to be cut in half to fit).


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: wagwar on October 13, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
Somebody needs to write this up for the BCM!  It would make a great center-fold.

My wife would love to shoot it and write it - just fly her out to the west coast...


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 13, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
Why fly her west Mark is coming east for his engine meet him at Genes shop in a month or so then do a write up

good luck


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: RnMAdventures on October 13, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Boomer, I haven’t been able to see the video (on my cell) until today. The conversion is first class. Do you mind if I steal some of your ideas?
The overhead lights running down the center, are they LED?


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 13, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
Be my guest!  Yes, they are LED, the whole coach is, even exterior.  The ceiling lenses are not plastic they are 1/4" Corian, as are the parcel rack lenses.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Dreamscape on October 20, 2012, 07:23:37 AM
Tom and I saw the video last night after their arrival yesterday. Doug mentioned it during a conversation and we had to check it out. What a magnificent piece of work! How long will it be in Eugene?


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 20, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
I heard Mark was going to be in Quartzsite with the bus in on his way back east for his engine install it would be worth a trip to the Q just to see that beauty up close a personal one would think

 With all the dirt and gravel in Q I doubt I would let people inside though if it were mine

good luck


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: pd4501-771 on October 23, 2012, 06:05:21 PM
Mark

I can not wait to see your 3751 in person in Blytheville. I'm not a conversion guy, but this one is hard to resist !

Wow. Wow. Wow !


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: boxcarOkie on October 23, 2012, 06:16:10 PM
I heard Mark was going to be in Quartzsite with the bus in on his way back east for his engine install it would be worth a trip to the Q just to see that beauty up close a personal one would think

 With all the dirt and gravel in Q I doubt I would let people inside though if it were mine

good luck

Just do like I do, meet 'em at the front door and then say .... Take off them shoes!

hehehehehehehehehehe ... Uh, I think I hurt myself.

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Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: fortyniner on October 23, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Mark, is there a vent system in the shower? I wasn't able to determine that from the videos.  
This bus reminds me of "The Rocketeer".  

-Tom P.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 23, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
Yes Tom, there are two low profile Fantastics, one in the bath, one over the galley.  It pained me greatly to put those on that clean roof, but really no choice.  Fortunately they are not noticable, unless you are reeeealy tall.  Inside, the fans are incorporated into some really crafty woodwork, retro art deco of course, so they don't stand out.

TBone;  I would have been very happy to restore it with the seats, but they were long gone, lol.  Kept the OEM drivers seat though!  When you see it, I think you will say I made up for it on the exterior.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: belfert on October 24, 2012, 04:53:46 AM
Be my guest!  Yes, they are LED, the whole coach is, even exterior.  The ceiling lenses are not plastic they are 1/4" Corian, as are the parcel rack lenses.

I'm curious how you used Corian for lenses?  One doesn't normally think of Corian as transparent.  How many LEDs did you use to still have enough light after going through the Corian?


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: fortyniner on October 24, 2012, 06:11:35 AM
When Mark says "really crafty wood work" I just have to giggle. How craftier can it get.

I think you could make a book about this bus.

-Tom P.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 24, 2012, 07:55:14 AM
Corian is transparent in the light colors if it is thin, which this is 1/4" bone colored.  LED's are available in a hard mount strip which we used down the center and for the curved parcel rack lenses the Corian is heated and bent around a curved piece of wood mold.  Inside we used a flexible LED strip, screwed to the curved roof corner.  The lighting then shines through the Corian lens as a pleasant indirect light.  And also provides light to the inside of the parcel rack.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 24, 2012, 08:04:39 AM
I  installed the old rope lighting under the regular Corian counter tops years ago it was never a problem with the soft light indirect lighting showing on it either
 I discovered that it would transmit light by accident I left a light on under the cabinets and I could not figure out the glow coming from the counter top when I open the door it looked neat so roped lighted the entire counter tops


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: pd4501-771 on October 24, 2012, 07:13:57 PM
Mark

You have most definitely raised the bar for Silversides guys. What you guys have done with the exterior of your coach gives me motivation to at least get mine moved home. (one way or another !) Take care.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 24, 2012, 07:59:24 PM
Good luck on the move Tom.  That will be a very expensive Christmas present.  When you need it, I have pretty much all the rubber reproduced; front door, rear door, all the window rubber, etc.


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Pixelhead on October 26, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
Hey... I'm actively driving my Flxible to Paradise Coach, so Larry can fabricate and interior for it. As Boomer's moves out of the shop, mine will be moving in. I should be there in less than a week. Can't wait!



Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: muddog16 on October 28, 2012, 08:54:30 AM
Wow! To bring me out of hibernation had to be a work of art!  I'm speechless, envious and inspired! Beautiful job!


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: Boomer on October 28, 2012, 10:19:31 AM
I feel exactly the same way about your Prevost, Pat.  All that you have gotten done, in your driveway no less, is incredible!  Too bad those youtube vids are so rough, they really don't do the work justice. 


Title: Re: Check out this silversides conversion
Post by: luvrbus on October 28, 2012, 11:16:17 AM
Good to hear from you Pat I think about you every day