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Title: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 12:00:33 PM
I have been working on some designs for the coach and think this is what we will be going with. I plan on painting the coach black or durnodic bronze on the sides and crown of the roof, then ad 3M vinyl graphics. The vinyl will be beige and a few different shades of grey along with a bit of white. I plan on resealing the roof and it will still remain white.
 
I know the black will be a bit hotter, but it sure does make the polished sides pop. We will also be installing another AC unit up front to help with cooling. We also plan on making a few changes to the inside (not much), just some things to fit our needs.
The jpeg image does not do her justice, but the design looks very nice in the design program.
 
Just thought we would share, hope you like it, we do.......the addiction continues ;)
 
All the best
Mike
(http://nikkilicks.com/pics/bus graphics000.jpg)


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Jeremy on January 18, 2013, 12:56:42 PM
If using black I would suggest using satin or matt black - gloss black is the absolute worst colour for highlighting an uneven surface - and the bodywork of a 40 year old rivetted-together bus will be the very definition of an uneven surface (that's not meant to be an insult - it's just the nature of the beast - it would have been uneven on the day it was built).

Unfortunately (to my way of thinking) matt black is a very trendy finish at the moment amongst the too-much-money-not-enough-style modified car brigade. However, Mad Max's Interceptor was also matt black, and that was the coolest car in history.

Jeremy



Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
If using black I would suggest using satin or matt black - gloss black is the absolute worst colour for highlighting an uneven surface - and the bodywork of a 40 year old rivetted-together bus will be the very definition of an uneven surface (that's not meant to be an insult - it's just the nature of the beast - it would have been uneven on the day it was built).

Unfortunately (to my way of thinking) matt black is a very trendy finish at the moment amongst the too-much-money-not-enough-style modified car brigade. However, Mad Max's Interceptor was also matt black, and that was the coolest car in history.

Jeremy



Jeremy,

No offense taken :)
You are correct, I had planned on shooting the coach with Matthews Acrylic polyurethane which is pretty close to a matt finish. If you are not familiar with this brand, it is a paint designed for aluminum and will also work on just about every metal surface.

I use it on all our aluminum signs and it does really well in this AZ sun. I think the oldest sign we have out there is around 14 years and it still looks good...no fading.

I still have to decide on the 2 colors, heck, I may just shoot it durnodic bronze which is real close to the color she is now.

Thanks for responding
Mike


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: bansil on January 18, 2013, 02:47:05 PM
I love the bus by the way,my untrained eye has an issue with all the cool lines on the side having the "bottoms" kicked out towards the rear,while the graphic start point seems like an end; not a beginning.
My eyes train to the windows,polished trim even the "slash" below as going the right way...then I see the "end" of the graphic...it just doesn't do justice to the buses built-in lines
Just my .02 as a casual observer


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Kwajdiver on January 18, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
Black, that is a lot of black, can't believe how much cooler my bus is after going blue to white.  It may require more than one more A/C unit.

But, it does look good.

Just my nickel,

Bill


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 04:03:33 PM
I love the bus by the way,my untrained eye has an issue with all the cool lines on the side having the "bottoms" kicked out towards the rear,while the graphic start point seems like an end; not a beginning.
My eyes train to the windows,polished trim even the "slash" below as going the right way...then I see the "end" of the graphic...it just doesn't do justice to the buses built-in lines
Just my .02 as a casual observer

Thanks for your input. I see what you are saying about the beginning of the graphic. I will lay it out so the slash matches the angle of the sliding window and lines behind the drivers area and see how that looks. I am sure it will have a totally different look....flowing a bit better.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 04:07:42 PM
Black, that is a lot of black, can't believe how much cooler my bus is after going blue to white.  It may require more than one more A/C unit.

But, it does look good.

Just my nickel,

Bill

Bill

Yep, I remember the thread about you repainting yours. What color did you have before, I can't remember?

I know the black is an issue with regards to the heat and we are still in limbo about the color. I like the durnodic so this is going to be one of those projects I think about for a month or more.


Mike


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Kwajdiver on January 18, 2013, 04:42:18 PM
It was blue,, seems nobody like the blue...  LOL

Bill


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: oldmansax on January 18, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
Hey Mike,

That does look sharp! Much better than the old paint. Maybe you could look into mini-splits to solve the cooling problem. Several on here have used them with good success.

TOM

PS: Phyllis liked it too.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: edeshields on January 18, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
Here' s my bus paint application which isn't too far removed from your idea..  I didn't paint the roof. I left it white. Vinyl will fade quickly and  will only last 2 years.  I used the same black and bronze color scheme. I used a charcoal stripe. I feathered a black accent at the base of the bus.

I never felt the "black" difference personally-even if I go to the desert.. Hope this helps. You're going to be pleased when you're done.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t446/marketpt/photo48_zpsf909acf4.jpg)


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Lin on January 18, 2013, 06:12:21 PM
The difference in surface temperature between white and black in the desert summer will be in the range of 30-40 degrees.  The surface temp could easily be 140-150 degrees for black.  I do not think that that will be an insignificant cooling load in a desert climate like ours.  It really could require an added AC unit depending on how cool you like to be.  This will be the case while parked or driving.  Although this one factor may not be the bases of the entire decision, it is an issue.  A white roof would help.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
Here' s my bus paint application which isn't too far removed from your idea..  I didn't paint the roof. I left it white. Vinyl will fade quickly and  will only last 2 years.  I used the same black and bronze color scheme. I used a charcoal stripe. I feathered a black accent at the base of the bus.

I never felt the "black" difference personally-even if I go to the desert.. Hope this helps. You're going to be pleased when you're done.

([url]http://http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t446/marketpt/photo48_zpsf909acf4.jpg[/url])


That's a sweet looking job you did. I wanted to go with vinyl because if I ever decided to change it up, it won't be as much work as having to DA the whole paint job and repaint.

I have laid quite a bit of 3M vinyl on vehicles and have got allot more life out of it than 2 years, I would guess about 7 years at best for these colors. If it were red or any color vinyl along the red pigment range, I would have to agree with the fading issue. Red is horrible in the sun, but then again the AZ sun is hard on everything.

Heck,you never know, I may just take the xtra time to mask and paint the graphics on and then shoot it with clear......that may be a better choice.

Thanks for your feedback, great looking coach you have there!

Mike


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Hey Mike,

That does look sharp! Much better than the old paint. Maybe you could look into mini-splits to solve the cooling problem. Several on here have used them with good success.

TOM

PS: Phyllis liked it too.

Thanks Tom, I will look into the mini-splits. As you know we have not had her in the full blown heat as of yet, but we did notice it getting warm once we hit Texas on the way back home. I think the temps were around 95-97 degrees and could feel the heat up front as you mentioned we would. I am sure when it hit's 115 out here it will be like a microwave.

Good to hear Phyllis liked it too ;)

Thanks
Mike


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 18, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
The difference in surface temperature between white and black in the desert summer will be in the range of 30-40 degrees.  The surface temp could easily be 140-150 degrees for black.  I do not think that that will be an insignificant cooling load in a desert climate like ours.  It really could require an added AC unit depending on how cool you like to be.  This will be the case while parked or driving.  Although this one factor may not be the bases of the entire decision, it is an issue.  A white roof would help.

Lin, we would have most of the roof white, just the crown on the sides would be painted but I am sure that little bit will add to the heat issue. We like it cool in the summer and warm in the winter. I tell my friends that I am the only guy in Arizona who wears flannel pajamas in the summer.....the dear wife likes it sub zero.....so to speak. LOL

Thanks for the reply
Mike


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: John316 on January 18, 2013, 07:29:39 PM
Mike,

FWIW, I would give it a little time. See what it does this summer. Black might be fine for a lot of areas, but I don't know if I would willingly paint my vehicle black and live in the desert.

YMMV

john


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: chazwood on January 19, 2013, 10:20:37 AM
Even the mail box has the right angle


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: RJ on January 19, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
Mike -

Here's an interesting idea to add to your design:  add a "center line" so that the entire graphic becomes a highway fading off into the distance.  Helps tie the entire travel theme together?

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: bansil on January 19, 2013, 03:58:19 PM
Mike -

Here's an interesting idea to add to your design:  add a "center line" so that the entire graphic becomes a highway fading off into the distance.  Helps tie the entire travel theme together?

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)
RJ
That idea is what I kept "see-ing" and is why I made the comment I did.
It will look great when done for them


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: edeshields on January 19, 2013, 06:42:28 PM
Carl Epping at GM (who worked for the bus division) did a lot of research on whether car colors made car interiors hotter. Color wasn’t one of the most significant factors.

One of the problems with heat is that normal automotive glass is transparent to visible and near-infrared light (but opaque to UV), which heats up the interior. But the glass is opaque to far-infrared, which is what is re-radiated from the hot interior, and therefore traps the heat in the car. There are some newer glass treatments that cause it to be reflective to near-infrared, which helps considerably.
The car body acts as an insulator. Since the interior cannot re-radiate the heat back out, it has to conduct it through the body and windows to the outer skin of the car. The outer skin is then cooled as air passes over the car as well as radiating it off. The amount of cooling is heavily dependent on the temperature delta between the air and the car's surface. The car heats up until the incoming energy equals the outgoing energy.

Enjoy your color but tint your glass.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Lin on January 19, 2013, 08:09:09 PM
Sounds interesting, but I don't believe it as far as as bus goes. If only one side of the bus is in the sun with about 300 sq ft of surface that's heated to 140 degrees, it will be a lot hotter inside than if the surface temp was only 100 degrees.  I guess that someone else can work out the BTU difference, but it will be real.  Can anyone here say that they have not noticed the difference between wearing a black or white shirt when out in the hot sun?


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: expressbus on January 22, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
Mike,

Looks real good. What design program were you using? Is it available on a low budget? I've been pencil whipping a design for our bus for a couple of years to no avail. Using electrons instead of pencil lead would be a refreshing change!

Thanks

Will


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: chessie4905 on January 22, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
looks similar to the newest higher end rv's and toy haulers I saw at last fall's RV show at Hershey. They use a lot of metallic tan/bronze in place of the beige on black.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Gary LaBombard on January 22, 2013, 12:32:04 PM
Mike,
I love your design posted, it sure is stricking and pleasant to look at.  I need to do this one day way, way in the future. Would your program you use be easy to reverse the colors you posted, (Make the Black white and the white Graphics Black.  That way there would be less black surfact to make contact with the sun and I am just curious how your design would look in reverse.  Do this only if you have the time, as I said your design sure is a pretty thing. Thanks.
Gary


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 24, 2013, 11:25:22 AM
Mike,

Looks real good. What design program were you using? Is it available on a low budget? I've been pencil whipping a design for our bus for a couple of years to no avail. Using electrons instead of pencil lead would be a refreshing change!

Thanks

Will

Thanks!

I use a newer version of corel draw to design and then I use flexi sign pro for cutting my projects. I can also design in flexi, but just prefer corel. There are some download for trial, but these programs are not reasonably priced....hope that helps.


Title: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: LowTide on January 24, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Thanks for the input, lots of good ideas! I will make some changes and post them to see if I like something else better.

Mike


Title: Re: Re: New graphic design for our MCI7
Post by: Dave5Cs on January 26, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
Paint shop pro is good also and a lot cheaper.

Dave5Cs from Galaxy S III