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Title: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 11, 2013, 12:24:13 PM
Better go fill up guys fuel is headed up to the 4 plus dollar range who would ever thought it during vacation time for 1000's of people


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: sledhead on July 11, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
oh you guys are spoiled to day diesel is $ 1.26 a litre   x 3.8 litre in a us gal.  =        $ 4.78 a us gal. in huntsville ontario canada . Its a good thing my tank is 197 us gal. so I try to fill up as much as I can south of the border .             dave


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 11, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
oh you guys are spoiled to day diesel is $ 1.26 a litre   x 3.8 litre in a us gal.  =        $ 4.78 a us gal. in huntsville ontario canada . Its a good thing my tank is 197 us gal. so I try to fill up as much as I can south of the boarder .             dave

How much of that is tax compared to the fuel taxes here in the USA?


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Oonrahnjay on July 11, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
  Better go fill up guys fuel is headed up to the 4 plus dollar range who would ever thought it during vacation time for 1000's of people 

    Paid $3.41 at VA/NC border yesterday; it was about 10 cents more central VA (northern VA is crazy - 40-50 cents more).   But I don't buy fuel in No Virginia.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 11, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
Where I live on the AZ side of the river from CA it's over buck difference in the prices of fuel and gasoline, you drive 1 mile and save a buck a gallon stupid huh


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: boxcarOkie on July 11, 2013, 01:31:28 PM
The last time I was at the Flyin’ Hooker, I filled up with a 1/2 tank and it came to well over $350.00.  While I was refueling this guy in a sticks n staples motorhome says to me, “Nice bus.  What year is it?” and I told him the make/age/and particulars. 

Then he says, “What are you doing?” (because I am on the drivers side and the bus is fueling on the opposite side)  And I say, “Well, I am toppin’ it off.”

So then he says, “How come you are on this side, shouldn’t you be on the other side?”

I just smiled and replied, “Who the @##@#@#*! wants to look at that?”

 BCO
[CTA]


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Slow Rider on July 11, 2013, 02:43:06 PM
It is interesting, I read an article yesterday about how China has dropped their oil importation by at noticeable percentage and how they think it will cause a glut on the market.  Today I read about how much gas is going up because of demand for oil.  Someone is lying!

Frank


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: sledhead on July 11, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
At $1.26 per litre as far as I can tell the tax is 32.8 cents in Ontario Canada        dave 


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 11, 2013, 03:43:45 PM
It is interesting, I read an article yesterday about how China has dropped their oil importation by at noticeable percentage and how they think it will cause a glut on the market.  Today I read about how much gas is going up because of demand for oil.  Someone is lying!

Regardless of any glut from lack of Chinese demand, oil prices have gone up in recent days due to the Egypt situation and are causing gas prices to go up.  We were paying around $3.25 earlier in the week and I saw as high as $3.59 today.  I paid $3.36 at Sam's Club today.

Gasoline and oil demand have been going down in the USA due to the economy and people buying vehicles with better MPG.  I have a 2012 Grand Caravan that gets at minimum 5 MPG better than the 2000 version of the Grand Caravan and I have a slightly bigger engine to boot.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: RickB on July 11, 2013, 04:42:29 PM
Within the next year all the "*%holes speculators that have been duped by big oil into driving oil prices into the biggest bubble since housing are gonna get caught when oil corrects itself and drops to $30-$50 then guess who will come running to the American taxpayer for help? All the big Wall street firms that created the bubble in their sociopathic greed. Remember these words.... "TOO BIG TO FAIL".    

Sound familiar???

P.S.  It wouldn't bother me a bit if all the folks that live outside of the states would quit telling us all how "easy" we have it. We buy more oil in an afternoon then most countries buy in a month and some of us think socialism and government taxing the hell out of us is not the answer. I've yet to hear a person on the board from the states compare the US to Canada or England. Too apples to oranges for me.


Respectfully

Rick


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: eagle19952 on July 11, 2013, 05:23:56 PM
oh you guys are spoiled to day diesel is $ 1.26 a litre   x 3.8 litre in a us gal.  =        $ 4.78 a us gal. in huntsville ontario canada . Its a good thing my tank is 197 us gal. so I try to fill up as much as I can south of the border .             dave

we're not spoiled...we're just trying to make sure you have a place to average out or beat the price of fuel at your home... ;D


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: muldoonman on July 11, 2013, 06:17:25 PM
It is interesting, I read an article yesterday about how China has dropped their oil importation by at noticeable percentage and how they think it will cause a glut on the market.  Today I read about how much gas is going up because of demand for oil.  Someone is lying!

Frank
Oil Spec U La Tors! Ought to be shot!


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 11, 2013, 07:55:23 PM
 I am not a oil speculator but I sure wish I had 2 units of fuel instead of cash in 2 restaurants lol   


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Iceni John on July 11, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Whenever diesel drops to $4 here (which is not very often) I say three Hail Mary's and top up the bus.   It's too bad I'm not closer to Tijuana, otherwise Pemex would be getting more of my money.

John


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: jjrbus on July 12, 2013, 04:55:03 AM
I feel bad for the Canadians,  they come south and buy THEIR oil for less than they can buy it at home for!
                                        JIm


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Mex-Busnut on July 12, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
It's too bad I'm not closer to Tijuana, otherwise Pemex would be getting more of my money.

John

John:

I hate to disappoint you, but Pemex is selling diesel to us down here today at the equivalent of U. S. $3.44 a gallon, so you wouldn't be saving as much as in the old days. Early last year we were paying $2.97.

And in Tijuana you would be seriously risking your life with all the drug war-related violence. I use a Mexican-made 2007 Volkswagen Jetta TDI (turbo diesel) as my daily driver. Thankful for its consistent 50+ miles per gallon on the highway.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: eagle19952 on July 12, 2013, 07:53:16 AM
I feel bad for the Canadians,  they come south and buy THEIR oil for less than they can buy it at home for!
                                        JIm

and they have a bunch of crude...I think Venezuela id where thr cheap stuff is.. ;D


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Iceni John on July 12, 2013, 07:54:48 AM
John:

I hate to disappoint you, but Pemex is selling diesel to us down here today at the equivalent of U. S. $3.44 a gallon, so you wouldn't be saving as much as in the old days. Early last year we were paying $2.97.
When I was in Mexico earlier this year I saw that some, but not all, Pemex stations were selling two grades of diesel.   Are they two different cetane levels, or is one cleaner-burning or ULSD, or does one have less dead rats in it, or what's the difference?   Here there's only ULSD #2 for sale, but I sometimes wonder if different areas have different cetane levels or different additives to suit the local smog-nazis.

It's interesting that you have a MX-made diesel VW.   I saw very few private diesel cars anywhere in MX, and I've heard that in the DF you're actually not allowed to own a diesel car?   Why?   Mind you, to make up for that I saw several older 2-stroke Dina buses still in revenue service, including an immaculate Olympico leaving Toluca and a few newer ones in Cordoba.   Yeah!

Juanissimo  


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Oonrahnjay on July 12, 2013, 09:18:55 AM
. I use a Mexican-made 2007 Volkswagen Jetta TDI (turbo diesel) as my daily driver. Thankful for its consistent 50+ miles per gallon on the highway.   

    Me, too.  Except mine is an '03 ("ALH" - fuel pump engine, no "aftertreatment").  But mine is German-built - it replaced a Mexican-built '02 that a drunk driver totalled.  It's never been as good as the Mexican car was.  Fill it up?   15 gallons, good for almost 1000 miles.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Mex-Busnut on July 12, 2013, 06:19:04 PM
When I was in Mexico earlier this year I saw that some, but not all, Pemex stations were selling two grades of diesel.   Are they two different cetane levels, or is one cleaner-burning or ULSD, or does one have less dead rats in it, or what's the difference?   Here there's only ULSD #2 for sale, but I sometimes wonder if different areas have different cetane levels or different additives to suit the local smog-nazis.

It's interesting that you have a MX-made diesel VW.   I saw very few private diesel cars anywhere in MX, and I've heard that in the DF you're actually not allowed to own a diesel car?   Why?   Mind you, to make up for that I saw several older 2-stroke Dina buses still in revenue service, including an immaculate Olympico leaving Toluca and a few newer ones in Cordoba.   Yeah!

Juanissimo  

Juanissimo:

I really have no idea what you might have seen, unless maybe somewhere somebody is selling biodiesel (which I have yet to see in Mexico) I have never seen another grade of diesel except normal #2 anywhere in Mexico. And I have been in every one of Mexico's 31 states except Baja California Sur. (I have been to Baja California Norte many times.) Even in the maritime ports (I used to do translation for a company from Houma, Louisiana that rented tugboats and crew boats to Pemex) I only saw #2 diesel fuel.

On Mexican pumps there are only three colors:
1. Green is Regular Unleaded.
2. Red is Premium Unleaded
3. Black is diesel.

if the outside Pemex sign does not have a black strip on it, you know without pulling in it has no diesel fuel.

A few of the larger stations have added a blue stripe indicating they also sell propane for vehicles.

Mexico City (Distrito Federal) has no law forbidding diesel automobiles. In fact, my 2007 Jetta was purchased in April 2013, and had D. F. plates on it from new until I bought it.

The only diesel automobiles you will see here are VW Jettas, Boras, Passats, Golfs and Audis. There are a number of Nissan pickup models and Ford vans with diesels. I used to have a 1963 D-190 Mercedes Benz car made in San Luis Potosí, Mexico.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: bobofthenorth on July 12, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
Exactly Jim.  3 weeks ago I paid $3.43 for dyed diesel in Port Angeles and was glad to do it.  Its a paying trip for me to run the boat all day to cross to either Port Angeles or Roche Harbour rather than getting raped by my local dealers.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 13, 2013, 04:22:43 AM
    Me, too.  Except mine is an '03 ("ALH" - fuel pump engine, no "aftertreatment").  But mine is German-built - it replaced a Mexican-built '02 that a drunk driver totalled.  It's never been as good as the Mexican car was.  Fill it up?   15 gallons, good for almost 1000 miles.

You get over 60 MPG out of a TDI with ULSD?  I had a 2003 Golf TDI and the absolute best I ever got was about 45 MPG on a long trip.  Mine was automatic.  Most TDI owners I know lost significant MPG with ULSD.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Mex-Busnut on July 13, 2013, 05:17:56 AM
You get over 60 MPG out of a TDI with ULSD?  I had a 2003 Golf TDI and the absolute best I ever got was about 45 MPG on a long trip.  Mine was automatic.  Most TDI owners I know lost significant MPG with ULSD.
Your problem was the automatic transmission. It eats fuel economy.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 13, 2013, 05:30:04 AM
Your problem was the automatic transmission. It eats fuel economy.

It is still pretty unusual for a TDI with ULSD to consistently get over 60 MPG.  I find it hard to imagine an automatic would drop mileage by over a third.  A TDI fanatic locally said he lost 10 MPG when ULSD came out.  My Golf TDI by the time I traded it for a larger vehicle was only averaging 35 to 36 MPG which was tough to swallow with diesel often $1 a gallon more than gas at the time.  I think I paid as high as $4.59 or $4.69 for diesel at one point in 2008.

I imagine the newer 6 speed automatics do better.  I would buy another diesel in a heartbeat if they made one in a vehicle the size of a minivan.  On a road trip I can get upwards of 28 MPG in my gasoline minivan as it is.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Barn Owl on July 13, 2013, 06:28:53 PM
Not just speculation, also the devaluing of the dollar has as much to do with this as anything.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Mex-Busnut on July 13, 2013, 06:43:51 PM
I imagine the newer 6 speed automatics do better.  I would buy another diesel in a heartbeat if they made one in a vehicle the size of a minivan.  On a road trip I can get upwards of 28 MPG in my gasoline minivan as it is.
Actually: Volkswagen DOES sell a TDI in a passenger or panel minivan.
 


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 13, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
Actually: Volkswagen DOES sell a TDI in a passenger or panel minivan.

They sell this in Mexico, but not in the United States.  VW has discontinued their minivan in the USA which did not have a TDI.  The USA minivan was actually made by Chrysler for VW.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Tony LEE on July 15, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
"Mexico City (Distrito Federal) has no law forbidding diesel automobiles."

True, they treat everyone the same - can only drive on alternate days.

Just to make you all feel a lot better about your US$4 a gallon, here in Iceland it is about US$2.50 a litre so just a bit dearer.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: chessie4905 on July 15, 2013, 09:20:15 AM
  Did their fuel rise in recent months due to the country's financial/debt crisis?


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 15, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
Mexico is the largest buyer of diesel from the US they buy 80% of their diesel from here they ship the crude here we refine it ship it back so the price is going to be close, some times they are slower on raising the price it eventually get there though then sometimes the price of fuel is higher than the US


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: lvmci on July 15, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
Hi All, for some reason diesel in LA dropped 5 cents below regular gasoline recently, maybe the management of the big oil companies are lurkers on our bus boards, and are listening to what we say! HA! I personally think they are afraid Van will start a grass roots campaign against big oil. lvmci...


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 15, 2013, 10:06:08 PM
Look at the price of gasoline in LA almost 4 bucks a gal it went up 20 cents a gal here since Sunday around 3.55 a gal, diesel is 3.58 today but supposed to jump by Wed here


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 16, 2013, 04:16:44 AM
I looks like diesel prices have gone up about 10 cents a gallon along our route to Reno.  Locally, the gas stations near my house have not raised prices on diesel, but their prices were really high to start with.  One has been at $4.29 for some time even though five miles away diesel was $3.89.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: TomC on July 16, 2013, 06:56:19 AM
Diesel was $3.97 yesterday here in L.A. Good Luck, TomC


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Lin on July 16, 2013, 12:49:46 PM
It's gone up about 10 cents in the past week here with 3.99 being about the best you can get.  I think it must be the oil companies protesting the Zimmerman verdict.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: lvmci on July 19, 2013, 04:47:59 PM
hi All, van nuys, ca, so cal, gas with cheaper diesel, west of the I405, 5 miles east of the 405 $.39 a gallon more expensive! Amazing, lvmci...


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: zubzub on July 20, 2013, 07:24:38 AM
Drove across from east to west coast and back between June 11 and july 12.  Diesel was pretty consistently .10 to .20 more per gallon than gas.  A few times .35 more. Average price was around 3.85 for diesel   For whatever reason found diesel cheaper than gas a few times, about  .10 to .15 under.  Almost no rhyme or reason  to the prices as I went across, remote areas sometimes cheaper than hubs.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 20, 2013, 08:16:22 AM
The state of CA and Montana fined the oil companies last week for several million guess who is going to pay the fines and where the money for the fines will go lol it is a joke the oil companies just add fines to their operating costs and we pay


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Gordie Allen on July 21, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
I think a great addition to the Technomads State Line app would be the tax per gallon on fuel for each state.  Drive from Michigan into Indiana and automatically save $0.10 a gal.  I'd hate to fill up in a state, then an hour down the road find out I could have saved $15.00-$30.00.  I don't watch gas prices when I fill up my daily drivers, but 140 gal. tank can make you shop a little.

Actually they can find all the data at http://www.michigangasprices.com/Tax_Info.aspx (http://www.michigangasprices.com/Tax_Info.aspx)



Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jon on July 22, 2013, 04:24:54 AM
I have yet to meet the first bus owner who does not assign a great deal of importance to the price of fuel. Me included.

What I have learned is 10 cents a gallon can save me the price of a Happy Meal. My fill ups have averaged somewhere around 130 gallons on my present coach, to a little over 200 gallons on the previous coach. But when I run the numbers I am better off spending 10 cents more at my local truck stop, than going 8 miles extra in each direction to save that 10 cents, but burn almost the entire savings getting to the cheap fuel.

In playing with fuel economy I have learned I can save the equivalent of about 30 cents per gallon by increasing my MPG by about 1/2 MPG. So I look at driving in an economical manner as getting a 30 cent per gallon discount. (For those who want to check my math I can get 6 MPG, or I can drive at a 6.5 MPG rate. Fuel in my area is about $3.75)


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 22, 2013, 04:57:27 AM
Owning a bus of any type one just sucks it up and pays the price not much else you can do,we left home in early 2007 for a 3 month trip fuel was $1.60 a gal by the time we return home we were paying $4.25 our last fuel stop was over $800.00 that year it blew the fuel budget to hell in hurry lol 

I am not one for driving miles to save a few cents a gal on fuel 95% of the time when fuel is cheaper it will be a bio blend and I don't care for the crap it will end up costing one the same as 100% fuel with the mileage drop anyway


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Boomer on July 22, 2013, 08:38:42 AM
I remember that 2007 fuel spike well Clifford.  We were heading into Baja and it was 4.25 in El Centro so we fueled up at Pemex in Mexicali and it was 2.06!  That sure save a bunch. 
When we are traveling I rely on gasbuddy.com, then go to google maps to see if I can get into the station.  Fuel is always cheaper in a non truck stop but it's difficult to get a 45' and tow into a lot of them.  Takes some planning just to fuel up unfortunately.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: RickB on July 22, 2013, 02:04:11 PM
Clifford,

Here's my conundrum and I bet it's alot of other folks as well. Drove 500 miles each way to the black hills and back and hit a headwind on the way out. Spent $800 on fuel to drive 1000 miles. It was completely unsafe as we were traveling 15-20 mph up hills where those around us were driving between 60 and 70 mph so I need more power and better gas mileage right? Unfortunately, the only motors that will fit in our 9's without extending the back end out are either another inefficient two stroke (8V92) which will give us more power and will probably hurt our gas mileage so that won't work or a series 50 which doesn't have the power we need to be a game changer in the hills and may gain us a whopping 2 mpg. Then there's the problem with both scenarios in which there is the added cost of the new motor and the retrofit which would be tanks and tanks and tanks of fuel.

Moral of the story??? Our antiquated hobby/passion for those among us where it matters in our pocketbook greatly that a $500 tank of fuel will one day get us less than 500 miles IS eventually going to go the way of the dinosaurs that fuel them. Extinction is coming. It's not a matter of if but when.

We are losing money everyday whether or not we're even driving them (Been to ebay lately and seen the prices these things are being offered for and passed on?) meanwhile, our buses are getting increasingly more expensive and difficult to maintain (how many competent 2 stroke mechanics do you know?) and we are losing the battle with the gas pump.

The end came for the buffalo, the home phone, a small and unobtrusive government and it is on our doorstep whether we like it or not. The only folks it doesn't apply to are the folks that are wealthy enough to overcome the loss of ownership.

We are readying our bus for sale as I type. It just doesn't make sense anymore and although I have loved the knowledge and family I have found here on this blog. I don't buy the delusional arguments anymore that have sufficed to keep me drinking the kool aid for the past few years. With campgrounds asking and getting $60 a night at most vacation destinations and the added expense of food, maintenance and fuel it simply doesn't make more sense than a hotel room and an airfare anymore. We reached a tipping point when ALL those that drill for, refine, trade the commodity of oil checked our resolve to their greed and we, as a nation, blinked. Checkmate.

Rick
  


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Sam 4106 on July 22, 2013, 02:18:56 PM
We saw fuel for $3.589 per gallon in Poplar Bluff, MO last week. Early Friday morning I got very sick, and since my nephew had said that the hospitals there have a poor reputation, I waited until Saturday to seek medical care at the University of Iowa Medical center. We got to the Emergency Room about 4:30 PM, was diagnosed as having an appendicitis, and was in surgery by 1:30 AM Sunday morning. How much do you think I worried about fuel economy? I was released this morning at 11:00 and continue my recovery in the bus at a county campground with 50 amp electric only for $10 per night. We may go home tomorrow or Wed., depending how I feel. I have had very positive results in the past, and again, now at The University of Iowa Medical Center. I am so thankful that my wife will drive the bus, even through St. Louis. She will drive the rest of the way home too. About 4.5 hrs with a stop every hour.

Thanks, Sam (69 years old)


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: wg4t50 on July 22, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
I just returned from a 4700+ mile venture Va thru the Black Hills, Murdo and on to Mt, th south to the Big Horn Mts in Wy rode th 800 ATV up into th snow area.  Then on th Texas for some body refinishng and a few upgrades at th factory. By the time I got home, my MPG became 7.6 towing 4000 lb toad. About $2500 worth I guess for fuel and about $6,000 between body and upgrades. Fuel is about the cheapest part of my RV games since my down grade from the big engines and the MC7.
The more I spend, the less the USO & Salvation Army gets, so I enjoy ;D


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jriddle on July 22, 2013, 02:36:33 PM
I hate to pull up to the pump whether it is my car, truck, bus, or airplane. :'( I have no intentions to quit any of them. I remember when I was paying .59 cents and making $2 bucks an hour. Now I won’t comment on my current wages but is considerable more than it was then. The only differance is I have more toys to put fuel in. I took a survey a while back about Avgas. One of the questions was at what point would I quit flying. I answered $5 dollars. Well the price has been over 5 bucks for some time and I’m still flying. ;D

John


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jriddle on July 22, 2013, 02:55:40 PM
Clifford,

Drove 500 miles each way to the black hills and back and hit a headwind on the way out.   

Rick
I missed you while you were in the Black Hills.  :-[ I sent PM but didn't hear from you. We traveled during same time period from Montana to Redfield South Dakota.

John


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: harleyman_1000 on July 22, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
Clifford,

Here's my conundrum and I bet it's alot of other folks as well. Drove 500 miles each way to the black hills and back and hit a headwind on the way out. Spent $800 on fuel to drive 1000 miles. It was completely unsafe as we were traveling 15-20 mph up hills where those around us were driving between 60 and 70 mph so I need more power and better gas mileage right? Unfortunately, the only motors that will fit in our 9's without extending the back end out are either another inefficient two stroke (8V92) which will give us more power and will probably hurt our gas mileage so that won't work or a series 50 which doesn't have the power we need to be a game changer in the hills and may gain us a whopping 2 mpg. Then there's the problem with both scenarios in which there is the added cost of the new motor and the retrofit which would be tanks and tanks and tanks of fuel.

Moral of the story??? Our antiquated hobby/passion for those among us where it matters in our pocketbook greatly that a $500 tank of fuel will one day get us less than 500 miles IS eventually going to go the way of the dinosaurs that fuel them. Extinction is coming. It's not a matter of if but when.

We are losing money everyday whether or not we're even driving them (Been to ebay lately and seen the prices these things are being offered for and passed on?) meanwhile, our buses are getting increasingly more expensive and difficult to maintain (how many competent 2 stroke mechanics do you know?) and we are losing the battle with the gas pump.

The end came for the buffalo, the home phone, a small and unobtrusive government and it is on our doorstep whether we like it or not. The only folks it doesn't apply to are the folks that are wealthy enough to overcome the loss of ownership.

We are readying our bus for sale as I type. It just doesn't make sense anymore and although I have loved the knowledge and family I have found here on this blog. I don't buy the delusional arguments anymore that have sufficed to keep me drinking the kool aid for the past few years. With campgrounds asking and getting $60 a night at most vacation destinations and the added expense of food, maintenance and fuel it simply doesn't make more sense than a hotel room and an airfare anymore. We reached a tipping point when ALL those that drill for, refine, trade the commodity of oil checked our resolve to their greed and we, as a nation, blinked. Checkmate.

Rick
  



 Someone on this board once told me that I should buy a old class c instead of a bus, since I only wanted to spend 10 to 15,000 on a bus, and now Rick is telling me checkmate before I even make my first move :(  Does that koolaid come with   cyanide  :'(


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: RickB on July 22, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
Math is not my strong suit but gas was around $1.40 a gallon when I bought my bus. It's increased threefold since then. Oil traded above 108 a barrel today which means $4 a gallon for the rest of the summer which is the only time us northerners can use our buses. The argument it's still cheaper than the alternatives just doesn't add up. Food has doubled, most campgrounds that are kid friendly are $45 and up a night. It costs me $350 a year to license a bus I'm using 2-3 times a year. When does the perception that we are saving money by bringing our own hotel/restaurant cease to make sense? Tires were $250 a tire when I bought my bus just 7 years ago now they are $500 and rising and God forbid someone loses an engine on a trip far from home. That could be $20,000. I can't afford to be my own rolling hotel/restaurant anymore.

I bought my bus at the low swing of 7 years ago and I am gonna take a major bath because alot of folks figured out the same numbers as me and are currently trying to unload their buses for a fraction of what they cost. None of this applies if you're living with your family in your bus, writing off business travel (Get caught by the feds for that and you'll be sorry, Tax evasion is a serious deal to Uncle Sam he needs as much of our hard earned money as he can get to fund his cronies, and his political platform. Lol There are cases where it makes sense the number one being that you have a significant amount of skill to fix most stuff yourself and if you a significant amount of disposable income. Hell, who cares then right?

I will miss this place, it has been great learning and watching and getting to know a few folks here but the fat lady is singing in my house and it's not my mother in law.

Just my two cents. It's about all I have left after the black hills

Rick  


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jriddle on July 22, 2013, 06:26:55 PM
Math is not my strong suit but gas was around $1.40 a gallon when I bought my bus. It's increased threefold since then. Oil traded above 108 a barrel today which means $4 a gallon for the rest of the summer which is the only time us northerners can use our buses. The argument it's still cheaper than the alternatives just doesn't add up. Food has doubled, most campgrounds that are kid friendly are $45 and up a night. It costs me $350 a year to license a bus I'm using 2-3 times a year. When does the perception that we are saving money by bringing our own hotel/restaurant cease to make sense? Tires were $250 a tire when I bought my bus just 7 years ago now they are $500 and rising and God forbid someone loses an engine on a trip far from home. That could be $20,000. I can't afford to be my own rolling hotel/restaurant anymore.

I bought my bus at the low swing of 7 years ago and I am gonna take a major bath because alot of folks figured out the same numbers as me and are currently trying to unload their buses for a fraction of what they cost. None of this applies if you're living with your family in your bus, writing off business travel (Get caught by the feds for that and you'll be sorry, Tax evasion is a serious deal to Uncle Sam he needs as much of our hard earned money as he can get to fund his cronies, and his political platform. Lol There are cases where it makes sense the number one being that you have a significant amount of skill to fix most stuff yourself and if you a significant amount of disposable income. Hell, who cares then right?

I will miss this place, it has been great learning and watching and getting to know a few folks here but the fat lady is singing in my house and it's not my mother in law.

Just my two cents. It's about all I have left after the black hills

Rick  

LOL

Yup it doesn’t add up.
Rick you will be missed.
 I'm not sure what make sense anymore. Hell I decided to work out of country to make a few bucks. Twenty Eight days of sobriety for me. When I get home I'm going to load up bus and enjoy a few cerveza  or good glass of homemade wine, maybe some Scotch on the rocks or even a crown on the rocks  and forget about the cost of living or in this case the expense of running my bus. The camp fire might make it all worthwhile. Each person needs to come to peace on their own. I am not judging anyone here just putting in my two cents in how I justify it. Oh  forgot the wife like to go also. That might be the reason enough?

John


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 22, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Rick,when it's time it's time buddy I could not justify my bus with my age if I would have quit the first time I gave it any thought I would have a lot more money lol.

The engine deal makes one sick my friend Doyle is here we rebuilt a 8v71 with 50,000 miles on it since a out of frame terrible workmanship on the engine and it didn't last but it did make the 90day/ 1 year warranty lol.

This is his and Coffee home so far I would say he has spent 8 grand + just on parts plus what I gave him it is hard to justify a bus using it a couple of weeks a year

I am a little different as you know ::) I don't want to own a bus just to be able to say I have a bus conversion I want to use it, 3 months out was the norm for us but the price of travel today and upkeep it couldn't happen now

Nothing wrong with saying I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express about the same cost as a battery huh

good luck and stay in touch


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Scott & Heather on July 22, 2013, 07:10:12 PM
Gotta say I'm somewhat with Rick on this one. To each their own but we spend on average $13,000 per year on fuel between the bus and our toad. That's insane. Our choice, of course, but travel is just expensive. Now today, I borrowed a friends' 2013 VW Golf Diesel with a 6 speed manual, drove it like my grandma would have and squeaked out nearly 62 mpg. Now that's  more like it: (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/23/e8a3ara8.jpg)


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Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: boxcarOkie on July 23, 2013, 03:51:28 AM
Last year I met a man with a Prevost, he was from Mississippi.  Over the course of time, we started talking the pro's and con's of bus ownership.  After a little while, he looked at me and smiled and then said:  "Son, you can shade it any way you want, but there is no valid reason on earth for owning one of these things."

At the end of the day, I just have to agree with the guy.

If you think selling a bus is hard in this day and age, take a gander at this:  See unsold cars unsold, cars, pile, up, photos, recession, credit, crisis, automobiles, toyota, parking, shipping, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda, Volvo, ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usi_JGMlTug#)

BCO-CTA


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Iceni John on July 23, 2013, 08:05:31 AM
That YouTube clip made me chuckle.   The first shot it showed was purportedly of Swindon in England, but it showed somewhere next to a large harbor.   Swindon is in Wiltshire.   Wiltshire is a land-locked county without any coastline or ports.   It makes me doubt the rest of it if it cannot even get the first part right.

The retail price of fuel is just one aspect of a much larger looming problem (to put it mildly)  -  the collapse of the whole house-of-cards Ponzi scheme that most nations' economies now are.   When, not if, $#!% hits fans, it won't be a bad idea to have a solid Plan B, including having an alternate place to live and a means to relocate anywhere at short notice.   Even with the ever-increasing price of fuel, maybe that's the price we pay for being better prepared than 99% of the population.

John


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: boxcarOkie on July 24, 2013, 01:48:08 AM
Good point, I don't know if it true or not, but there surely are a lot of them shown.  One thing I always wondered about was "Where do all the leftovers go at the end of the year?" the one's that did not sell.

BCO - CTA


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: harleyman_1000 on July 24, 2013, 05:09:53 AM
That YouTube clip made me chuckle.   The first shot it showed was purportedly of Swindon in England, but it showed somewhere next to a large harbor.   Swindon is in Wiltshire.   Wiltshire is a land-locked county without any coastline or ports.   It makes me doubt the rest of it if it cannot even get the first part right.

The retail price of fuel is just one aspect of a much larger looming problem (to put it mildly)  -  the collapse of the whole house-of-cards Ponzi scheme that most nations' economies now are.   When, not if, $#!% hits fans, it won't be a bad idea to have a solid Plan B, including having an alternate place to live and a means to relocate anywhere at short notice.   Even with the ever-increasing price of fuel, maybe that's the price we pay for being better prepared than 99% of the population.

John


  I can see the Mad Max buses rolling down the hiways now  ;D


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Oonrahnjay on July 24, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
If you think selling a bus is hard in this day and age, take a gander at this:  See unsold cars unsold, cars, pile, up, photos, recession, credit, crisis, automobiles, toyota, parking, shipping, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda, Volvo, ... ([url]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usi_JGMlTug#[/url])      BCO-CTA   


    Whoh, whoh, hold the phone!  Those photos were taken in 2008/2009 (right at the bottom of the "Bush Depression"   :o  ;) ).   First, there were cars stacked up everywhere and stored.  But they were moved off - all it took was to sell each of them one at the time.  Second, there are about 20 Million new cars manufactured around the world; the port processing lots like that are full of cars stacked up to be moved (going out) or having just come off a ship.  Everything about those photos is true, the conclusion wasn't then and it's ancient history now.  Toyota, Nissan, Ford (esp. Ford - Ford has made a profit every year for the past 10 years), GM (with our money) have been selling stuff off as quick as they can make it for months; Honda would be in that list except for a dependence on suppliers in the Tsunami area in Japan.

    And John is right, one of the biggest Honda factories in the world is in Swindon, England. and they may be Hondas in that photo, but it *ain't* Wiltshire.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Dave5Cs on July 24, 2013, 08:48:36 AM
My wife used to work for a large wholesaler in NY and supposedly they sell what they can and near end of year discount them. After years end as the new ones come in they sell the rest to whole-seller's who in turn sell to used car dealers. Anything left after 3 years gets either sold as used to foreign countries or crushed and turned into bridges etc. Used car buyer's get them in lot numbers at auctions all over the place.

Dave5Cs


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 24, 2013, 12:54:19 PM
I just got back last night from a 3,800 mile trip for a rocket launch.  Total fuel cost should be around $2,100 after I top the tank off again.  We averaged probably $3.80 a gallon for diesel.  We only had four people this trip so it came to about $525 each.

That $525 each is still less than what it would cost for one person to drive out in a 30 MPG car.  Fuel cost would be about the same, but the person would have four nights in a hotel plus they would need to camp in a tent at the event, or pay $70 a night for the crappy motel in town.



Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: zubzub on July 24, 2013, 01:26:36 PM
This thread is bumming me out.  When I got into this Diesel was way cheaper...so it goes.  A bunch of you have been pointing out what I don't want to think about, the whole "cheaper than hotels and restaurants" thing is less true than before.
 My road trip this year was in a sprinter van set up to convert from seating for 8 to sleeping for 6.  We stayed with friends quite a bit, also had a rented place for a week. One month on the road....fuel was not a big expense but the Sprinter gets about 20-24 mpg highway if you take it easy.  I would have liked to take the bus but I need a new set of tires before I will load my family in there for a long distance trip....maybe next year...except SWMBO wants to do a cross Canada trip....extra high fuel prices...oh joy.
  All of which it to say, I still like the idea of traveling in my bus and hope to get down to Mexico one of these winters.  Flying all the kids is expensive so the bus still kind of makes sense....if I wait long enough maybe I can ask them to split the fuel like Belfert does with his friends.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Len Silva on July 24, 2013, 02:25:02 PM
All I can tell you is that when I first bought my 4104 in 1986, the price fuel just was not a consideration.  I think it took about five hours of my pay to fill it up.  Diesel stayed below $1.00 until about 1999.  Today, I would have to be making over $100.00 per hour to match that.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 24, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Exports are the cause of high prices we export around 120 millions of diesel a month to other countries just from one terminal in LA probably more than that amount leaves from the Gulf Coast terminals each month

 Do you like the price of fuel in Venezuela and Mexico ? guess where it comes from


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: bevans6 on July 24, 2013, 03:29:51 PM
I can't believe this thread got to five pages on the price of fuel.  I just read the last three pages because I was sure it had migrated to some other topic.  I will stand up as one who doesn't care about the price of fuel.  If I want to go somewhere, I go.  I go in my car, in my truck, in my bus or in an airplane, or I walk.  If I don't go it's not because it costs too much, it's because I don't feel like going all that much.  I am just getting the bus back on the road properly after an almost three year lay-off, and I am going to take a 2200 mile trip this fall.  The bus costs the same as taking the truck and trailer, and staying in motels and eating at restaurants, and the same as flying for two people.  So no big deal what the cost of fuel is, I just don't care.  I went from earning way north of $100 an hour a year and a half ago to earning nothing now, and when I can't afford to run the bus I'll just close the door and walk away.  I've walked away from other things and I don't miss them a bit.  They are just things, and there are other reasons to be happy with life.  I am finally, after many years, happy with life.

Brian


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 24, 2013, 03:43:59 PM
One should care about the cost of fuel it's not all about buses it affects all of us at the grocery store,utilities just about every aspect and products we use from day to day in our life that part is not so easy to walk away from

 Our economy here is in the toilet because of fuel prices people were paying 50 bucks a week to get to work now it cost 150 bucks a week something has to give those people are sacrificing other things just to go to work


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: wg4t50 on July 24, 2013, 03:52:58 PM
Fuel cost is not a consideration, it is the cheapest part of this game.  Just drove over4700 miles averaged about 7.5 mpg, on way home stopped by the factory for $6,000 upgrades.
If fuel is a biggie, maybe time to think of a small fuel efficient puppy.
Spent my life scrimping, now its time to play.
Me, I love power and get r done.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: bansil on July 24, 2013, 04:13:43 PM
I'm one of the little guys I reckon,

Love buses and went with what I could afford; a skoolie....my dream coach is a senicruiser...oh yeah..front restored to stock uper deck a home on wheels!

Alas....my wife and I spend $110 a week(each) to get to work, make very good wages for "the area" my wife and I could both make more if we didn't take care of 2 sets of "parents/grandparents"
They can't make it on retirement/SS etc (70 and 85+ years old)....so we cover it....our son is getting ready to start 3rd year in college...we cover it.....

If fuel was cheaper would we go"more" nope...no time with work and taking care of folk....

NOW if fuel was cheaper we would eat out more and splurge more($25 bottles of wine instead of $6.99) and oysters and shrimp 3 times a day on our bus vacations...instead 1 time....

So we will drink our "cheapwine" buy a couple pounds of frozen shrimp....and fill in the blanks.....glad we do close trips...so we toast everyone....we can only do...what we can do CHEERS!

Oh and if we had "bank" we'd still drink cheaper local wines ;D


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 24, 2013, 04:19:53 PM
Dave you and I are old some here are young with families like Rick which do put first fuel and expenses for a bus or needs for the family  

Me I sent 5 through collage and things like a bus and fuel would sometimes set on the back burner for awhile a long while lol

 I can see where fuel costs of today could be a problem plus the maintenance of a old bus for some because they don't have the funds as some here  

You paid your dues so did I but some here are 20+ years away from that goal and in today's world they may never see it  JMO


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: wg4t50 on July 24, 2013, 04:24:44 PM
Doug,
Don't feel like your the only one to suffer thru kids, school, and all that goes with living,  my wife & I worked our business for 30+ years, she is a great money manager, if left up to , we would be much poorer.
Call it luck due a great choice for a wife, great doing the investment part.
She is not my 1st, but by far the best, so I m lucky finally. Spent years in hell.
Enjoy what you have.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: wg4t50 on July 24, 2013, 04:34:30 PM
Luvrbus,
 Your correct, here age 71.7 and it s strange when money is no longer my big concern, can assure you I hav been t the bottom of the pile $$$ wise, but worked our way out of it, as mentioned, It took a STRONG gal to get my attention  :o
The funny part, we now own nothing, everything is in trust, wills are correct, all I can do is live long enough to piss off a few folks ;D then the Salvation Army & USO will have a field day.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: RickB on July 24, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
Clifford for the record I'm 52 (we started late!)

I want to say upfront that I sure hope my situation didn't dampen anyone's passion for buses. I have shared that same passion as much as anyone here and I would never want to rob that from someone so to those I've "bummed out" with my post I apologize.

We are not a poor family by any stretch of the imagination in fact annually we are probably pretty darn close to that threshold that the President deemed wealthy enough to raise taxes on but I am honestly struggling to justify such a poor investment of time,money, fuel and routine maintenance required to own my bus and the inherent risk of a catastrophic failure is always there in the back of my mind too. I've broken down in the bad part of town, had my life threatened by a couple of mechanics that were pretty persuasive in their out and out extortion of my bad luck to break down in their town.

It hurts me to sell the bus, this board, the conversations with other owners, the endless search for the right 8v92 have all been really fun and have added alot of knowledge and adventure to my life. It's the oil. Pure and simple. It hasn't just affected us singularly but rather systemically. I spoke with a trader friend this week and he assured me that between the current moves in Washington and the inflated bubble that oil is riding upon that the calvary is coming soon. He believes the day is coming in the not too distant future when oil will plummet up to $70 in one day. First off I don't believe that. Second I would imagine it will just shape shift into something else. I'll stick around and peek in here from time to time and I'll genuinely be grateful for this time and this blog. Between touring with everyone from Manilow to LeAnn Rimes to Journey to Jonny Lang maybe I've finally just seen enough miles from that big wide piece of glass that sits at the front of every bus I've ever ridden in. I have easily over a million miles riding and probably another 100k driving. It's been one helluva ride.

Rick



Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Dave5Cs on July 24, 2013, 06:31:07 PM
If bus fuel wasn't so high what would politicians put their money into. Oh wait that's our money also? brian I am with you. We can't control it any longer so just enjoy life the best you can and enjoy the Bus even if it is just taking out the neighbors to a restaurant.

Dave5Cs


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Zeroclearance on July 24, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
Well driving by the gas stations today seeing fuel a $4.10 to $4.15.   I can't tell you how happy I was to pay $3.94 a gallon for fuel..   


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: bansil on July 25, 2013, 01:57:29 AM
We are doing fine,its just rough when you work so hard and then when you start to see light they turn off the switch  :D

Diesel has been 3.79 for the last year plus here,

I plan at $5 a gallon and 5 mpg ( I get 10 mpg and fuel is under $4....so I make money when traveling by bus  ;D )

So then i can justify it by saying "we didn't use everthing budgeted"(in my head it works out atleast)...the rest goes towards next trip

Gas has fluctuated almost $1a gallon in that time frame and daily it changes...same gas in tanks in the ground......just more profit for big brother


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jon on July 25, 2013, 05:03:38 AM
We've all heard the story about  the potential yacht buyer who was told when he asked about fuel consumption "If you have to ask, you cannot afford it". The same is true about AvGas, Jet A or diesel fuel for our buses. But we are experiencing an unusual situation with regard to diesel fuel pricing. Pilot Flying J is now dominant in the truck stop market and they have us by the gonads because they set the pricing. Depending on the market they now are pricing fuel much higher than their cost. I recently saw data to reflect their margins are in some cases $.35 per gallon above cost with their averages nationwide in excess of $.18.  The situation is not going to get better anytime soon. If you want to make yourself sick read this lengthy affidavit  http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/687037-affadavit.html (http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/687037-affadavit.html) and you will see how the management has zero respect for customers and is now part of an active FBI / IRS probe that has already resulted in arrests of executives and many more to follow.

Stop dealing with PFJ and bring your trade to TA-Petro or Love's or anyone else. Our aggregated fuel purchases are insignificant so it will not even have any impact on PFJ, but at least you will not be dealing with a company whose managers consider customers stupid and capable of being screwed.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: belfert on July 25, 2013, 08:50:41 AM
If Pilot/Flying J is ripping off customers then Love's must be ripping them off too.  I checked several locations where Love's and Pilot/Flying J both have locations at the same exit and Love's is a penny or two less.  There may be less expensive options than either if one wants to get off the beaten track, but we didn't have the time to look for cheaper fuel prices.

We stopped at both Love's and Flying J on this trip.  I like Flying J because they have pump start with their RV card.  Unfortunately, my Flying J RV card is totally worn out and won't read any more.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Jon on July 25, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
Read the FBI affidavit for a search warrant linked above. I cannot fault any business for trying to make a lot of money. That is why they exist. So if every company selling diesel fuel is charging high prices that is both moral and legal because they are not charitable organizations.

But the affidavit shows how PIlot Flying J management in their own taped conversations STOLE rebate money trucking companies were entitled to and then talked about how stupid they were. Yes truck stops seem in lock step on pricing, but if customers are willing to pay there is nothing wrong with that. But when they agree to sell at a specific discount and then cheat you out of what you are entitled to that gets the IRS and FBI storming the building with search warrants.

What is keeping prices high today appears to be with Pilot Flying J in control of the market, they are willing to cut very attractive deals to bulk buyers such as trucking companies. You and I are paying full retail, but some trucking companies are buying fuel below cost because of their discounts in some areas for PFJ to attract or retain them. Then the shortfall is made up by either other locations being very expensive or by charging small customers such as us high margins on our purchases. TA and Love's are not cheating their customers by not giving them the pricing or rebates they contracted to give, and they are setting retail prices in concert with what their biggest competitor does.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 25, 2013, 07:54:58 PM
We have a small chain of convenience (250) stores here in the West called Maverick they seem to be the best on prices day in and out I have noticed they are starting to make their stores more RV friendly.

I see Quick Trip is making their move on the truck stops 2 new ones have open in the Phoenix this year alone very nice fuel stops clean and well staffed not like the average truck stop that is one thing I never liked about F/J,Pilot or Loves never enough help


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: sdc53 on July 26, 2013, 12:21:19 AM
I wish Costco sold diesel. We've been fueling at Fred Meyer (Kroger owned now) and they seem to have pretty competitive prices.  Getting ready to head out on a trip this weekend, glanced at the sign today and it said $3.89 here in OR and we don't have cheap fuel taxes here.  Bought diesel futures (filled both tanks) on Independence Day trip, think it was at least .10/gal cheaper then.  I may go on this run without topping off, although they will extort a pound of flesh from me for filling my propane tank.  I've run over a year without filling that.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: wg4t50 on July 26, 2013, 03:45:41 AM
Also the Walmart/Sams Clubs that have the Murphy Diesel is much lower in cost also, and buying the prepaid card saves even more.  Still have about $150.00 credit on my last card, but it does not expire.
Dave M


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 26, 2013, 04:26:44 AM
Don't expect much relief crude oil closed at over $107 a barrel for Sept delivery 


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: Boomer on July 26, 2013, 10:44:50 AM
Trivia:
Maverick stations were started by the Call family ie: Jay Call who started Flying J.  Jay pioneered the "convenience store" concept way back in the '60's with the Maverick brand.  Then started Flying J.  The name came from his first name and the fact that he owned and flew planes and helicopters.  He died in the crash of his Cessna Citation jet.  I drove tanker for a year for one of his uncle's companies, Caribou Four Corners Oil Co.  You can figure where that name came from, they were from Utah and used to have a refinery in Woods Cross.  At that time Mr. Call was attempting to build a refinery on the Columbia river at Rainer, OR but the mother loving EPA shut him down. Wow that was way back in 69-70, where have the years gone.


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: luvrbus on July 26, 2013, 10:56:46 AM
The Call family is back at Maverick they took over sometimes in 2012 that is why they are becoming so RV friendly now


Title: Re: Fuel Prices
Post by: sdc53 on July 27, 2013, 11:18:07 PM
I just saw diesel today at the Safeway gas for 3.71/gal, only .01 more than regular unleaded.  Shocker, I had just filled up for about .10/gal more at Fred Meyer.