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Title: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 18, 2013, 08:45:59 PM
Hey guys. Brand new here on the forum. I just bought a 1967 GM 4107 and of course I'm excited. I've already learned a lot from you guys already, but wanted to go ahead and join and say hello. I'm going to be spending the next 6 weeks doing some work on the bus. I have some questions coming soon that hopefully you can help me out with! Thanks!

(http://i40.tinypic.com/1z1gtc5.jpg)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: bcbusman on November 18, 2013, 09:26:03 PM
Wow, nice bus  :)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Oonrahnjay on November 18, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
Hey guys. Brand new here on the forum. I just bought a 1967 GM 4107 and of course I'm excited. I've already learned a lot from you guys already, but wanted to go ahead and join and say hello. I'm going to be spending the next 6 weeks doing some work on the bus. I have some questions coming soon that hopefully you can help me out with! Thanks!

([url]http://http://i40.tinypic.com/1z1gtc5.jpg[/url]) 


    Yeah, do you know how to spell "6 weeks" in bus talk???  Try "The-Rest-Of-Your-Life"!  (It's a good thing that we love it.)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 18, 2013, 09:38:40 PM
    Yeah, do you know how to spell "6 weeks" in bus talk???  Try "The-Rest-Of-Your-Life"!  (It's a good thing that we love it.)


haha! yes, so I have heard! I'm sure we will always be upgrading it as we go. I have 6 weeks off the road to spend extra time now :-)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: muldoonman on November 18, 2013, 09:42:58 PM
Welcome Bryan. There will always be something to change, fix, or install and that's a fact. A lot of good ideas here for sure.  Take care and keep us posted.


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: RJ on November 18, 2013, 10:34:48 PM
Bryan -

Welcome aboard!  Nice looking 4107, appears that a PO invested some TLC.  Couple of things:

What's the VIN on your coach?  PD4107-XXXX?  I or JLV can give you original purchase history from that info.

Second, take a couple minutes to update your forum profile to include a signature line similar to mine below.  Simply click on the Profile tab above, then on the Forum Profile Info option in the LH menu.  Follow the prompts and you're good to go.  By doing so, we can give you more intelligent answers to your questions by knowing what you've got, and we can do a better job of directing you to local parts & service help by knowing approximately where you are.  Added bonus: You might just find out that there's another busnut in your neighborhood!

Third, there are other bus-related bulletin boards you might also be interested in, here are two links:  www.busnut.com (http://www.busnut.com) (affectionately known as BNO) and the GMC BusNuts group on Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gmc-busnuts/info (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gmc-busnuts/info)).  Happy reading!

One last thing - if you've been reading some of the archives, you'll find that there's quite a cast of characters that haunt the bus bulletin boards.  Sometimes the flak can get pretty thick, however most is well-intentioned - at least in the mind of the character flinging the flak.  So take things with a grain of salt until you figure out who's who and what's what, then you can jump in and join the shenanigans!

Again, welcome aboard!

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 18, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
Bryan -

Welcome aboard!  Nice looking 4107, appears that a PO invested some TLC.  Couple of things:

What's the VIN on your coach?  PD4107-XXXX?  I or JLV can give you original purchase history from that info.

Second, take a couple minutes to update your forum profile to include a signature line similar to mine below.  Simply click on the Profile tab above, then on the Forum Profile Info option in the LH menu.  Follow the prompts and you're good to go.  By doing so, we can give you more intelligent answers to your questions by knowing what you've got, and we can do a better job of directing you to local parts & service help by knowing approximately where you are.  Added bonus: You might just find out that there's another busnut in your neighborhood!

Third, there are other bus-related bulletin boards you might also be interested in, here are two links:  [url=http://www.busnut.com]www.busnut.com[/url] ([url]http://http://www.busnut.com[/url]) (affectionately known as BNO) and the GMC BusNuts group on Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gmc-busnuts/info ([url]http://http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gmc-busnuts/info[/url])).  Happy reading!

One last thing - if you've been reading some of the archives, you'll find that there's quite a cast of characters that haunt the bus bulletin boards.  Sometimes the flak can get pretty thick, however most is well-intentioned - at least in the mind of the character flinging the flak.  So take things with a grain of salt until you figure out who's who and what's what, then you can jump in and join the shenanigans!

Again, welcome aboard!

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)



Thanks RJ!!! The VIN is PD4107-756

I'm excited to be here and thankful for people like you willing to help! I actually stumbled across busnut.com the other day and signed up, still waiting on approval to be a part of the forum :-) I guess it takes a while sometimes?

P.S. - updated my signature! thanks  ;)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Oonrahnjay on November 19, 2013, 04:51:33 AM
 haha! yes, so I have heard! I'm sure we will always be upgrading it as we go. I have 6 weeks off the road to spend extra time now :-)  

       At least you bought one already converted.  I am building mine and people always ask "is the bus finished yet?"  I tell them "there are three 'finished' --
Finished # 1)  When it has a kitchen, a bed, a bathroom and shower, a place to sit and it rolls down the road ...
Finished # 2)  After #1, and when it has carpet on the floor and curtains in the windows ...
Finished # 3)  After #2, when I die!"


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: rgrauto on November 19, 2013, 05:49:04 AM
Hello Bryan and welcome to the forum. I see that you are located in Toccoa Ga. I live in Demorest Ga. so we are not far from each other so if I can be any help or if you need to talk message me or Facebook me,Glen Rice,Demorest Ga.,also that is a good looking bus.


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: RJ on November 19, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
The VIN is PD4107-756

Bryan -

Your coach was delivered new in May of 1967 as fleet number 431 to Manhattan Transit Co, HQ'd in E Paterson, NJ.

So it's a Rust Belt car, which means you need to take some time down the road and carefully inspect the coach.  Look around the front roof cap and windows where the original Buffalo hump used to be, ditto around the rear window cap.  If you get a chance to run it over a pit, inspect the undercarriage really well, especially where all the suspension points attach.

This is not to say that the coach hasn't been well taken care of, more of just highlighting some of the concern areas with this model GMC that's been operated in the NE.

RE: BNO.  Sometimes it takes Ian a little bit to respond.  If you don't get access w/in the next couple days, send an email to bossnut@busnut.com and ask him to expedite your access.

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 19, 2013, 10:45:54 PM
Bryan -

Your coach was delivered new in May of 1967 as fleet number 431 to Manhattan Transit Co, HQ'd in E Paterson, NJ.

So it's a Rust Belt car, which means you need to take some time down the road and carefully inspect the coach.  Look around the front roof cap and windows where the original Buffalo hump used to be, ditto around the rear window cap.  If you get a chance to run it over a pit, inspect the undercarriage really well, especially where all the suspension points attach.

This is not to say that the coach hasn't been well taken care of, more of just highlighting some of the concern areas with this model GMC that's been operated in the NE.

RE: BNO.  Sometimes it takes Ian a little bit to respond.  If you don't get access w/in the next couple days, send an email to bossnut@busnut.com and ask him to expedite your access.

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)

Thanks so much for the info RJ!


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: gus on November 20, 2013, 06:10:03 PM
Nice looking bus!! Mine is s/n 152. Except for the windows it looks a lot like mine.

Along with what RJ said, mine came from Vermont Bus Lines which is probably worse salt-wise than NJ, and, luckily, it doesn't have any real rust problems. A few spots, but minor.

What transmission and steering setup do you have?

I've had recent problems with my voltage regulator but no real serious problems in three years.

Let me know of any specific problems, maybe I've already been there.


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: JohnVickrey on November 21, 2013, 05:18:23 AM
Hey, Bryan and RGauto.  Lets start our own Georgia Busnuts Club.  (See we have a name already.)  I know several people who would be interested.  If your bus needs some exercise we have water and electric, come and visit for a while. 

Glen, I still can't play it. :(

Bryan, Welcome to the madness.


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 21, 2013, 08:22:16 AM
Nice looking bus!! Mine is s/n 152. Except for the windows it looks a lot like mine.

Along with what RJ said, mine came from Vermont Bus Lines which is probably worse salt-wise than NJ, and, luckily, it doesn't have any real rust problems. A few spots, but minor.

What transmission and steering setup do you have?

I've had recent problems with my voltage regulator but no real serious problems in three years.

Let me know of any specific problems, maybe I've already been there.

Gus, glad to know that you didn't have many rust issues. It's a 4 speed manual. It grinds a little (which I've learned is normal in this model) I would love to have an automatic someday. I also would like to install power steering but don't know much about it. The POs already have a used unit from another bus, just the box, no pump, or lines. I've also heard about Shepard but don't know much about power steering at all. I actually posted another topic about this hoping I could learn more about it. Do you have any suggestions?


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 21, 2013, 08:24:51 AM
Hey, Bryan and RGauto.  Lets start our own Georgia Busnuts Club.  (See we have a name already.)  I know several people who would be interested.  If your bus needs some exercise we have water and electric, come and visit for a while. 

Glen, I still can't play it. :(

Bryan, Welcome to the madness.

John, I'm only about 2.5 hours from you. I may stop by while passing thru sometime.


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: gus on November 21, 2013, 02:25:42 PM
Bryan,

If you have a box with hose connections it is probably a Sheppard, the original had a manual box with hyd cyls attached to the steering link. It was a booster, not true power steering. The booster is better than manual for maneuvering but actually is manual on a straight highway - the wheel has to be turned a few degrees to kick in the booster. OK if you are a young man but a killer for an old guy like me, my shoulders can't take it after a full day of driving!

It is really not worth all the effort and expense to install the original type when the Sheppard is so far superior. If the box you have is an old Sheppard it is not so good. Mine is old and has too much slack which is confirmed by the factory. They will no longer overhaul it but will supply an updated model to fit the older mount.

Closely adjusting your clutch to manual specs will eliminate the gear clash when stopped. If you can't adjust it to specs the shift linkage is worn out.

Clash when shifting just takes practice, lots of it. Most all of us have been through this. Before I got the 4104 I'd driven many types of old and new heavy trucks but none were nearly as hard to shift as that bus 4-speed!

I just looked at your other string, as someone already posted, that is not a PS box or for a bus! Maybe a manual for a skoolie but not a highway bus. The bus box is at least ten times heavier than this one!


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 21, 2013, 03:21:02 PM
Bryan,

If you have a box with hose connections it is probably a Sheppard, the original had a manual box with hyd cyls attached to the steering link. It was a booster, not true power steering. The booster is better than manual for maneuvering but actually is manual on a straight highway - the wheel has to be turned a few degrees to kick in the booster. OK if you are a young man but a killer for an old guy like me, my shoulders can't take it after a full day of driving!

It is really not worth all the effort and expense to install the original type when the Sheppard is so far superior. If the box you have is an old Sheppard it is not so good. Mine is old and has too much slack which is confirmed by the factory. They will no longer overhaul it but will supply an updated model to fit the older mount.

Closely adjusting your clutch to manual specs will eliminate the gear clash when stopped. If you can't adjust it to specs the shift linkage is worn out.

Clash when shifting just takes practice, lots of it. Most all of us have been through this. Before I got the 4104 I'd driven many types of old and new heavy trucks but none were nearly as hard to shift as that bus 4-speed!

I just looked at your other string, as someone already posted, that is not a PS box or for a bus! Maybe a manual for a skoolie but not a highway bus. The bus box is at least ten times heavier than this one!

Gus, thanks so much for all the info. So you are basically recommending me just order a brand new Sheppard correct? Here are my questions...

Do they come in full kits to where it will have the pumps, lines, mounts, etc. (everything I need)?
How do I know which one to purchase?
What type of mechanic should I search for to install?

Again, thanks so much!  ;D


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: RJ on November 21, 2013, 06:18:44 PM
It's a 4 speed manual. It grinds a little (which I've learned is normal in this model) I would love to have an automatic someday. I also would like to install power steering but don't know much about it.


Bryan -

Are you sure that your coach doesn't have power steering already?  By turning the front wheels full left or right, you can easily look at the tie rod between the wheels.  If equipped, there should be a hydraulic cylinder attached to the tie rod.

As for the 4-spd, this should help:
http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41 (http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41)

If you can't access, send me a PM and I'll help.

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: gus on November 22, 2013, 03:33:28 PM
I've never installed a Sheppard system, my 4107 came equipped, but some others here on the board have so I'll defer to them to give you the proper info. I think the factory only provides the steering box but that is a guess.

If you have nothing of the original boost system you will need the pump/reservoir on the engine and the two lines from the engine to the front axle.  You might luck out and find a complete used system, maybe even here, but they are in high demand. If yours has the original booster system you will have a big reservoir high on the right rear at the engine which looks like an oil filter canister.

Check with the factory for a new one and be prepared for sticker shock!!


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: wildbob24 on November 23, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
I like John's idea of a GA Busnuts group. Count me in.

Bryan,

I'm about an hour south of you, down 985/85, in Duluth. I'll be happy to assist you in any way I can.

Bob


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: harleyman_1000 on November 24, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
 Welcome your now an official nut  ;D Great looking bus! Do you have any pictures of the inside? We love bus porn......   ::)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 25, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
hey guys! I haven't been on here for a couple days because we are actually remodeling the interior. Pics coming soon! It's probably going to take most of December to get the inside the way we want it. I am overwhelmed by how nice everyone has been to me as a newbie in the bus world. I have received your private messages and emails and just want to say thank you for being so helpful. This is my first experience with a bus so it's been comforting to know I can come here and ask questions. The inside of the bus will be easy for us, but I'm far from a mechanic so that's why I want to learn as much as I can to take good care of her :-)


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 25, 2013, 03:49:55 PM
Hey, Bryan and RGauto.  Lets start our own Georgia Busnuts Club.  (See we have a name already.)  I know several people who would be interested.  If your bus needs some exercise we have water and electric, come and visit for a while. 

Glen, I still can't play it. :(

Bryan, Welcome to the madness.

Count me in John!


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: Bryan on November 25, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
Bryan -

Are you sure that your coach doesn't have power steering already?  By turning the front wheels full left or right, you can easily look at the tie rod between the wheels.  If equipped, there should be a hydraulic cylinder attached to the tie rod.

As for the 4-spd, this should help:
http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41 ([url]http://http://busnut.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=41[/url])

If you can't access, send me a PM and I'll help.

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)


I apologize in advance for so many pictures, but I took some pictures on drivers side in front and behind wheel when turned left and right. I'm not seeing a hydraulic cylinder, but let me know if you see anything that I'm missing :-) Thanks!

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Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: LuckyChow on November 25, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
I don't want to hijack this thread, but count me in too for a local Georgia Bus nuts group. 


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: JohnVickrey on November 26, 2013, 03:31:23 AM
Bryan, sorry 'bout hijacking your thread.  I'm gonna start a new thread for Georgia Bus Nuts. 


Title: Re: Hello to my new Bus Friends!
Post by: gus on November 26, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
These photos don't show the boost cyl area, it will be in the front center of the axle attached to the tie rod and be very obvious.

The very last photo shows just the very end of the tie rod where it attaches to the steering arm.

A cylinder is about a foot long with a rod attached to the tie rod with two hyd lines running to it.

This cyl just pushes or pulls on the tie rod to help you steer, it is not attached any way to the steering box.

My guess is you don't have boost or it would be easy to see. You would also have a pump with attached hoses and a fluid reservoir in the engine comp.