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Title: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 22, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
Greetings,

Does anyone have a ballpark for how much a 82 MC-9 weighs without seats and luggage racks or bathroom? (6v92 with 740 Allison.)

Anyone think it's over 18,000 lbs?


Thanks


Chazwood.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Ednj on February 22, 2008, 01:15:16 PM
Anyone think it's over 18,000 lbs?
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I would "guess" 26,000 lbs. ??? :o


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: H3Jim on February 22, 2008, 01:22:38 PM
I would put $ that its over 18,000 lbs


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: dparker on February 22, 2008, 08:32:33 PM
chaz,

I have a mc7 that i converted -- with 4 people 180 gal of water - full of fuel -- and converted it weights ~ 33,000 ... that is with a 800 lbs genset lots of plywood and stuff ... I like 26,000 - 30,000 stripped -- for 7 bucks at a truck stop you could know to the lb -- even line up the plates get the axles divided and you will know your front axle, your drive and the tag axle weight - you might even get a trading card with a big truck on it -- lol

pull on the scales hit the intercom -- they will tell you that they have your weight - and they will give you a print out --

dp


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: TomCat on February 22, 2008, 08:37:52 PM
The CO-OP's out in the country always have scales to weigh the grain and feed trucks coming and going. If you don't need an official weight ticket, it's usually free.

Jay
87 SaftLiner


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: tekebird on February 22, 2008, 09:19:00 PM
chaz, why are you looking for that weight? Your Curb weight when you register should be the curb as a converted coach not a shell.....


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Damn Yankee on February 23, 2008, 06:41:06 AM
my fully gutted 4104 weighed that much. I'd add another 8-10,000 lbs


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: buswarrior on February 23, 2008, 06:46:37 AM
I wouldn't stray much below 30 000lbs in estimating.

It might help if we knew why you are asking.

You won't be sneaking that thing's weight below any of the licencing thresholds, fer shure.

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Green-Hornet on February 23, 2008, 11:31:29 AM
The landfill in our county has weigh in and weight out scales. You might check with yer county and see if they will let you across them for free. ;)


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Glenn MC9 on February 23, 2008, 12:20:32 PM
Here's a little bit of info.

MCIŽ MC-9 Coach (1979-1984)

A welded single-piece "monocoque" frame minimizes rattles and squeaks for the life of the bus.

Dimensions
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Overall Length:   40 ft.
Overall Width:   96 in.
Overall Height:   Approximately 11 ft.
Wheelbase:   285 in.
Approximate Vehicle Weight:   27,500 lbs.

Specifications
________________________________________

Engine:   
Six cylinder: DDC 6V92TA two-cycle diesel developing 277 H.P. at 2100 R.P.M.
Eight cylinder: DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 H.P. at 2100 R.P.M.

Transmission:
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one revers
Automatic: Allison HT754 (five forward and one reverse)
Manual: Dana Model 8844A (four forward and one reverse)
Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five forward and one reverse)

Brakes:   
Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle.

Clutch:   
Self-adjusting, dry disc type, 15" diameter, with air assist (Dana 4-speed transmission and Fuller 5-speed transmission)

Electrical:
24-volt negative ground. Two heavy-duty 29-plate, 220-ampere hour capacity batteries. Front headlights - dual seal beam 12-volt lamps.

Air Conditioning:
6-cylinder compressor, driven by a self-adjusting belt drive off the main engine.

Seats:
43-, 47- or 49-passenger recliners with restroom

Parcel Racks:
Inside parcel racks - 122 Cu. Ft.

Luggage Compartments:
Under floor enclosed compartments - 300 Cu. Ft.

Fuel Tank:
140 gallon capacity or 168.6 gallons with auxiliary tank.

Suspension:
Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintains a constant ride height.

Steering:
Hydraulic - power steering is standard.



Title: Re: How much?
Post by: JackConrad on February 23, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
Our seated Mc-8 weighed 27,300 when we purchased it. After removing all seats, luggage racks aqnd AC, bus weighed 24,000. After the conversion, it now weighs about 35,000.  Jack


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Busted Knuckle on February 23, 2008, 11:11:04 PM
The landfill in our county has weigh in and weight out scales. You might check with yer county and see if they will let you across them for free. ;)

Hope they don't try ta make ya leave it! & then charge ya by the pound! LOL!
;D  BK  ;D


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 24, 2008, 04:03:42 PM
Thanks for the replies.... been gone for the weekend. The reason I wanted to know was to register it. They charge you for how much it weighs, so I was trying to get off as cheap as possible. What are the going rates for yearly tags?


Thanks.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: HighTechRedneck on February 24, 2008, 04:26:36 PM
Thanks for the replies.... been gone for the weekend. The reason I wanted to know was to register it. They charge you for how much it weighs, so I was trying to get off as cheap as possible. What are the going rates for yearly tags?


Thanks.

One of the great things about Tennessee.  Motorhome registration is $23 per year no matter what the weight.   8)  I registered mine for the full 36,000 pound GVWR on the specs.

Since your state is apparently weight based, keep in mind that the registered weight becomes the legal weight.  Irregardless of the design weight capacity, it will be technically illegal for it to be loaded past that weight.  I'm not sure there will ever be cause for your bus to get weighed by DOT, but if for any reason it were, you would be in violation if it was registered at 22,000 but had grown to 28,000 or more after convesion.  Just something to think about.  You know me, I'm the party pooper.  ;)


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 24, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
In alabama, they want 500 bucks a year for 36000lbs >:(


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: paulcjhastings on February 25, 2008, 05:36:05 AM
In MN I have mine registered at the gross weight on my data tag of 40,000lbs which puts me into the 45,000lbs or less category. IIRC the cut off was 38,000lbs. Registration is $447 plus $5 wheelage tax and $4.50 filing fee for a total of $456.50.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: buswarrior on February 25, 2008, 07:11:27 AM
Don't be using the word "bus" or "conversion" with the DMV.

You have an "RV" or "motorhome" that you need to licence.

That $$$ sounds like commercial tags.

If it hasn't already been changed to that designation, you have "changed the intended purpose of the vehicle from its former use." Usually some hand written declaration of having changed its purpose to one of a recreational vehicle does the job.

Unwittingly tag it commercial, and see what happens to your insurance next!!!

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 25, 2008, 07:32:42 AM
It was for a motorhome.

I say $500....it was something like $468 plus all their little annoying add-ons.

I guess it's cheap when you consider that it's less than a tank of fuel. >:(


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: buswarrior on February 25, 2008, 07:36:56 AM
Wow, time to register in a port of convenience...

happy coaching!
buswarrior


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 25, 2008, 07:40:06 AM
And how would one go about accomplishing this little trick?


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Busted Knuckle on February 25, 2008, 09:30:15 AM
And how would one go about accomplishing this little trick?

Ah..... well AL ain't far from TN. I would think maybe you might have a friend or busnut friend or two that may have an address you could use! I know a guy who lives in VA who has an 8 registered as a MH in TN.
FWIW ;D  BK  ;D


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Tom Y on February 25, 2008, 09:37:03 AM
Like BK says go to a state next door and register it. Pa is 81.00 a year last I checked. Some freinds built a trailer and put NY plates on it instead of fighting with Pa.  Tom Y   


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: belfert on February 25, 2008, 09:45:44 AM
The $450 is correct for Minnesota.  Motorhome registration is not cheap here.  But, better than the states that charge property tax on RVs that can be $1000 to $4000 a year.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Stan on February 25, 2008, 10:01:23 AM
In Alberta all 'private passenger vehicles', VW bug or 45' motorhome all pay the same price - $70.00/year. Insurance rates are determined by a multitude of factors and mine is not bad at $271.00 for $1,000,000 of public liability or property damage. Collision coverage for your own vehicle is based on the vehicle value and for conversions one should have an appraisal to include with the insurance application.

I just put the definition of private passenger vehicle in another post and if you don't meet that definition license fees and insurance go up markedly.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: niles500 on February 25, 2008, 11:28:37 AM
Heck - I'm getting overcharged - my reg. in TN is $24 a year not $23 - I think I'll complain  ;-)


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Tenor on February 25, 2008, 11:44:08 AM
I plated my 1968 MCI 7 with a 1968 Michigan plate.  It is a limited use plate for special occasions, club events etc.  Paid $35 and will never pay another dollar.  Almost all of my camping is with my classic car club and other wise I joined the Converted Coach Owners club.  I should be covered for about anything I need to do.

PS - totally empty weight with RV windows, single pane, no spare, empty bays was 22,960


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: HighTechRedneck on February 25, 2008, 12:06:36 PM
Heck - I'm getting overcharged - my reg. in TN is $24 a year not $23 - I think I'll complain  ;-)
I was thinking it was $23.  Went back an looked and it is $24.  My mistake.  Oh well.  Still a bargain compared to many other states.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: CaliXbus on February 25, 2008, 12:35:06 PM
26,280 pounds.  I just had my '81  6v92 weighed before conversion.


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: Busted Knuckle on February 25, 2008, 12:55:14 PM
Heck - I'm getting overcharged - my reg. in TN is $24 a year not $23 - I think I'll complain  ;-)
Heck - I'm getting overcharged - my reg. in TN is $24 a year not $23 - I think I'll complain  ;-)
I was thinking it was $23.  Went back an looked and it is $24.  My mistake.  Oh well.  Still a bargain compared to many other states.

Heck I am gett'n over charged! Ours cost between $200-$800 per year per bus in TN!!


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: chazwood on February 25, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
26,280 pounds.  I just had my '81  6v92 weighed before conversion.

Dang. I guess I'm headed to Tennessee!


Title: Re: How much?
Post by: HighTechRedneck on February 25, 2008, 04:05:02 PM

Heck I am gett'n over charged! Ours cost between $200-$800 per year per bus in TN!!

I don't disagree with you there.  But then again, we all know that when you register a business license, you are giving the govt. permission to suction everything out of your bank account.

Relatedly, here is the concept of the new streamlined federal tax form for small businesses, the 1040SCRU:

Line 1)Enter your gross business income (from schedule C):_____________
Line 2)Enter your gross W-2 wages from your other jobs:_____________
Line 3)Add lines 1 and 2_____________
Line 4)Enter your standard deduction:_____________
Line 5)Subtract line 4 from line 3_____________
  This is your Adjusted Gross Income 
  Send it to us.