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 on: Today at 02:21:37 PM 
Started by ruthi - Last post by Tim Strommen
I swear by this Gold Thermal Barrier...

But like John316 warns - it's also expensive (most "good" thermal/noise control products are).  If you are really worried about focused areas (like the firewall right next to the turbo, or the incoming fuel lines) a couple of square feet will be enough to wrap braided hoses, (etc) without breaking the bank.

If you can, you will get the best performance from a sandwich of materials - a "loaded" paintable skin sprayed on the metal inside the engine compartment (frame, skin - not the block!!), then a 1/4" to 1/2" layer of closed-cell foam, then a "loaded" layer of heavy vinyl or lead, then another layer of closed-cell foam or rock-wool (aka mineral-fiberglass) and finally the outer cover (some kind of heat reflecting barrier).

The outer barrier will reflect most of the radiated heat from the engine, the rock-wool will absorb some of the higher frequency noise from the engine (turbo whistle, valve rattle, fan whir) and slow sown the passage of thermal energy (insulation can't stop heat it only resists it), the lead sheet floating on the closed cell foam will absorb a lot of the airborne low-frequency noise (hum, combustion noise) by deforming upon collision with the sound-waves, the closed-cell foam should absorb a bit more of the low frequency sound energy and slow down a majority of the remaining heat energy that gets past the rock-wool (but some will still get through) - and the loaded paint will add a bit of mass to the sheet-metal/framing to reduce it's resonant frequency.

To explain that last part a bit more, if you tap a piece of metal with a coin - the sound you hear after the coin makes its initial impact, is the metal resonating until the impact energy added to the material dissipates.  It will sound kind of like a “clink” that runs out for about a second or two – but with a pliable-load on the surface and the same impact, after the coin hit and makes its “tap” the resonance should sound more like a low “thump” and it should die out almost immediately (the loaded paint is a bit flexible and will deform as the metal vibrates, converting the mechanical energy into a little bit of heat).

In recording studios we do the same thing – but then in the sound-stage, we will even “float” the floors and walls (mechanically isolate the room from the structure).  While you could do this in a bus, it’s probably impractical – but “floating” the engine and drive-train is not (these are usually vibration isolators that the engine/tranny are mounted to).  Let me tell you, you haven’t driven a quiet vehicle until you’ve driven one with the drive-train properly isolated!!! (just think of all the things in your rig that wouldn’t be vibrating and adding to the perceived noise of the space)

You can pick up a little more sound isolation if you carefully separate all radiated sound energy from the passenger space (it has to go somewhere, so absorb it, diffuse it or direct it).  For a “pusher” bus, adding a mud-flap that goes all the way across the back right about there the transmission meets the engine, and then down along the sides of the bus towards the back near the bumper will help to “direct” the sound energy out below the bumper (not forward under the bus towards the passengers, or out to the sides to bounce of buildings and passing cars/trucks back to the side windows).  Adding the above mentioned sound treatments will help with absorption of sound energy, and adding structures in the engine compartment and under the bus that have pyramid shapes or random surface features will help to diffuse sound energy – much like light waves, when a sound wave hits a surface it either passes through (some of it can be absorbed, the amount depends on the type of treatment), and some of it reflects.  Think of a mirror, a hard flat surface will reflect sound energy with enough uniformity to retain a lot of the fidelity of the sound (i.e. you can hear what the source sounded like through the reflection).  And again, much like a rough/jagged surface (even if made of a hard “mirror-like” material) breaks-up a reflection, you can’t make out the image that was reflected as clearly since not all of the energy was reflected in the same direction (this is diffusion).

Hope this helps…

-Tim

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 on: Today at 02:08:41 PM 
Started by van - Last post by van
Can you identify this months mystery photo?

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 on: Today at 01:55:49 PM 
Started by Melbo - Last post by bobofthenorth
When my father was in his late 70's he and his slightly younger brother went to San Diego to visit a cousin that they hadn't seen for a long time.  Ron's story of getting father through security in L.A. is priceless - he's a much better story teller than me.  Evidently somebody was convinced that they had a pair of geriatric terrorists on their hands and they weren't about to take any chances.  They had father's suspenders and his belt off and were making him parade through the scanner repeatedly to the point where Ron was afraid his pants were going to fall off.

Another time Marilyn was taking her antique Aunt to Vancouver - Anne was in her late 90's at the time.  She had this morning ritual involving flax powder and prunes that she credited for her considerable longevity.  Its a long story but the punch line comes when the purse-snooper finds the stash of brown powder, holds it triumphantly aloft and asks Anne what it is.  She was deaf as a post so she didn't hear the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or subsequent questions.  Finally Marilyn reached her own boiling point and shouted at the screener "IT'S HER LAXATIVE".  At that point the screening concluded and they got hustled on their way.

What frustrates me is twofold -first that productive manhours (our own time as well as the employee time) get wasted on this garbage and second that petty bureaucrats get the power to arbitrarily and completely disrupt our lives and we have no real recourse.


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 on: Today at 01:52:38 PM 
Started by van - Last post by Kwajdiver
Sure it wasn't a Eagle with spots.


Roll Eyes  You guys are NEVER going to let me live that down are you.... Huh

Bill
Kwajalein Atoll
no big blue bus

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 on: Today at 01:43:07 PM 
Started by Melbo - Last post by PCC
Making sure you have a telephone number, not cellular, in Canada is a really big deal. Other utility bills are good too.

People are becoming more mobile, moving about in coaches and motor homes.

There is so much to enjoy when you can go and see those places that most people only get to see on TV, or in the movies.

Too bad that this world has turned into a place where people have to fear for their safety. It is usually the ones who are the least threatening; the ones with the least to hide, that are the ones that are suspected the most.

A friend of mine used to drive a commuter run across the border between the US and Canada, and there were occasions when that time spent on the "wooden benches" was more than his passengers wanted. But there was always a hearty cheer when all was found to be in order, and the trip continued.

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 on: Today at 01:35:58 PM 
Started by lostagain - Last post by lostagain
Well, I just picked up the bus and drove it home this morning. All is good and everything is working right.

The lesson learned for me here is this: you can get away with weak batteries and corroded ground terminals in an older vehicle with no electronics as long as it will start. But a computer controlled bus with electronics needs really good batts. fully charged, and clean cable connections everywhere. The old relay we had to replace might have failed as a result of not enough juice from the 12 volt leg. And a bunch of other relays just would not energize with only 12.1 volts.

Good experience for me. I promise to keep all electrical connections clean in the future... The new batts. should stay good for a while now that the equalizer is working properly.

Got to go now to pick up the team and take them to Fernie for a game.

JC

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 on: Today at 01:33:06 PM 
Started by robertglines1 - Last post by oldmansax
Robert,

Since you brought it up....You did anoy me quite a bit when you insinuated that your Perfect! Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Hay buddy, that's why we are here... besides, I have 9 more toes!   Shocked

Relax and enjoy the fire..
Nick-



Just to set the record straight, I AM THE ONLY PERFECT ONE HERE AND I ALONE KNOW EVERYTHING..........

TOM

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 on: Today at 01:18:30 PM 
Started by grantgoold - Last post by PCC
Put BIG tires on the back and go downhill all day long.

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 on: Today at 12:53:19 PM 
Started by ljhall - Last post by Melbo
Where are the reservation forms?Huh

Have they been made up yet?Huh

Just Checking in

Melbo

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 on: Today at 12:42:43 PM 
Started by 84dime - Last post by bevans6
cartridge style filters are just old fashioned filters from before manufacturing techniques allowed cheap and reliable manufacture of spin-on filters.  They are typically better than really cheap spin-on's and not as good as quality spin-on's.   spin on filters can be a whole lot less messy, easier to change, you can fill them before you install them, and as such are probably a good upgrade.  You can easily examine a cartridge filter insert to see if there is trash in it, but you can cut a spin-on filter apart and examine it anyway if you want to.

Brian

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