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 on: October 20, 2014, 05:41:32 PM 
Started by Geom - Last post by mung
So what is the maximum height that a 4104 will be able to run-up on run-up blocks without burning out the clutch? 

 on: October 20, 2014, 05:33:38 PM 
Started by MightyThor - Last post by RJ
One of the band members sent me the following info. . .

Ask him about the two groupies in that photo!

Grin Grin

 on: October 20, 2014, 05:29:45 PM 
Started by Geom - Last post by mung
We will be there for sure, so I hope you make it.

 on: October 20, 2014, 05:20:59 PM 
Started by Geom - Last post by uncle ned


I hope to get to Arcadia this news year. come by and check them out.
Was on coach when i purchased years ago.

uncle ned

 on: October 20, 2014, 05:20:27 PM 
Started by Tikvah - Last post by digesterman
Dave there is a very old saying that goes, "The proof is in the pudding".  It seems the 40 works better for most. Sometimes the manuals aren't updated to include million of  miles of success stories. I imagine that DD really isn't spending a lot of time updating a lot on the two stokes are they? It is the practical experience that wins out every time.

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 on: October 20, 2014, 05:17:46 PM 
Started by Tikvah - Last post by wg4t50
Might give a lot more thought to using the SAE 40 wt oil, I would, but I have read the DDC manuals.  Unless your at -20f, would not be using SAE30.
Dave M

 on: October 20, 2014, 04:10:50 PM 
Started by Lostranger - Last post by Lostranger
So.... Hard to pick a beginning for this trip. That's why I meandered so far afield in the opening salvo. I kept reaching further and further back, but I can't tell about this trip from a purely historical perspective. I'm tempted to start with my mid-August trip to Elkhart, IN to buy windows and tanks. That was the first step of the reskin which has occupied so much of our lives since, but that story is (still being) told in my build thread on Nomadicista. The little spell of mostly electrical difficulty which spiced our recent trip to Pennsylvania is already discussed in two threads on this BB. No need to rehash that or its aftermath in spite of the resulting delay.

Probably the fair starting point is 8:43 P.M. on Thursday, October 16, eight days after our planned departure. That's when we actually pulled onto the interstate headed in the general direction of Ocracoke. Bus improvement had been brought to an arbitrary but usable state of closure. Food and other supplies had been purchased, sorted and stored. I had in my pocket a fresh North Carolina Unified Fishing License. Absence of that item had kept me from learning to surf fish last year, and I did not want to repeat the omission. Bus, equipment and provision checklists had been (mostly) attended. Lastly, the fuel tank had been topped, and my strategy of waiting out the recent down turn in pump prices rewarded us with a few cents per gallon in last minute savings. We did it! We were on the road. But we knew it was mostly a symbolic beginning.

We had begun that day with hopes for hitting the road by mid-afternoon AND with a mutual pledge to leave town before midnight. No matter what. This prep stage had gone long enough. We needed to GO, but both of us were exhausted from weeks of intense effort. No way was I going to drive far, and we knew it, but we had a plan.

October 16 is Beverly's birthday, so we wanted to do something a bit special. We drove about 60 miles along I-40 to the closest iteration of our favorite fast food joint, Jack in the Box. The reason we love Jack is another long story which I will save for another occasion, but I'll hint that it involves my earliest exposure to tacos. This particular Jack is adjacent to a box store lot, so after a late supper, we had a place to spend our first night. Here's a shot of Sophia in predawn parking lot light:

On Friday we started early and made good easterly progress in spite of stops for Burger King coffee, walking Kora, buying fuel, checking fluids and browsing at Camping World. We stopped for an early lunch at Steak and Shake, another of our favorite chains which is not often available to us. And yes, BK sells excellent coffee.

By midday the reality of being on vacation was beginning to set in, and we started thinking a few unstressed thoughts. One of those trains led to us deciding over lunch to consider a major route change. We had always gone to Ocracoke by driving east and a bit north to Manteo and then driving the length of the banks to their southwest terminus. That route is fun and scenic, but it is also long. We realized that we had the choice of spending another night on the road or arriving on Ocracoke very late. We preferred to do neither.

Most people who visit Ocracoke take a ferry from either Swans Quarter on the northern part of Pamlico Sound or Cedar Island farther south. By running online comparisons, Bev determined that we could save several hours and many miles by sailing out of SQ. The only problem might be the ferry schedule. The last boat leaves Swans Quarter at 4:30 P.M. Repeated route checks with MapQuest and iPhone Map showed us arriving around 4:15. Not much margin for error.

By the time around 1:30 we decided to go for it, our necessary stops had been made. We did not speed, but we did not slow down much, either. Most of the route was divided highway, but on the latter 2 lane sections, a couple of school busses with no apparent purpose held us back for MILES. In spite of everything, we pulled to the ticket station at 4:11. We knew that the fare would be $30, and we had already figured that the boat ride would save much more than that in fuel. The ferry sailed at 4:35 with us aboard.

During the two-and-a-half hour ride, we had a grand time visiting with others who were generally as excited as we were to be Ocracoke bound on a late Friday afternoon. I was apparently in an unusually gregarious mood, so I spent most of the trip on deck talking about Sophia and graciously accepting compliments on our wonderful Australian Shepherd: "Why thank you. Yes, she is gorgeous. And her coloring is so striking. And yes, she is exceptionally well behaved." Most of those folks have never seen a child who will listen and obey, much less a dog. Even though we had some room on our side of the deck, I resisted the temptation to get out her Kong Flyer and show off her catching and retrieving skills. I could too easily imagine that red, ten-dollar disk flying over the rail, and it is the only frisbee-like toy we have on this trip. Kora does not like the hard ones.

After the fact came out that I build stringed instruments for a living, I consented to drag a couple out and even played part of an old time tune before one of the D strings broke on my open back banjo. Soon after that, we watched a gorgeous sunset over the Sound and donned sweaters to finish the trip. Here are a couple of shots of Beverly at the rail, one with Kora and one with sunset:

And here is Sophia on the boat in deep dusk:

We offloaded at 7:10 and drove to our favorite seafood place, The Topless Oyster, where Bev had flounder and I had well oysters. It was a perfect end to a wonderful day.

More to come.

Jm H

 on: October 20, 2014, 03:46:35 PM 
Started by Oonrahnjay - Last post by HighTechRedneck

For Oonrahnjay whose bus has a Leyland 4-stroke engine, there isn't as much information out there on approved coolants.  But here are the coolant specifications for the engine:


The vast majority of bus conversions here in the forum have Detroit Diesel 71 or 92 series 2 stroke engines and some have the 60 series 4 stroke engines. Here is the Detroit Diesel specs document for coolants:


Pages 121-123 have a pretty good list of Detroit Diesel approved coolants for 2-strokes.  The pages right before that list the approved coolants for 60-series.

It is especially important to use appropriate coolants in 92 series engines because they have "wet" liners and cavitation kills them pretty quickly.

 on: October 20, 2014, 03:29:32 PM 
Started by MightyThor - Last post by MightyThor
One of the band members sent me the following info:

> Bus in that wreck drove through the Roadhouse Bar in Ferndale Mt. One late night (early morning) at the T that exists there in Fenrdale. Drove it straight thru a stop sign and into the front and out the backside. If you are ever there, (the bar is still in operation), you can speak to the owner and ask his end of the story.  The one you have is the one that was resurrected from that'n. It IS a Mission Mountain Wood Band bus but it is the second Scenicruser that we had. The first one was supposed to be Copper Silver and Gold but it was delivered more yellow than Gold and it looked like a NYC cab. So we re painted it over and over until we ran out of money and time and it did wind up blood red and dirty Gold. We drove it 2 1/2 million miles on two 318 Detroit Diesels and even though it went thru a bar, drunk, it still had seen better days. It was time for another and that one is the one you have.

 I was behind the wheel one night about 4am on the way to Jackson Hole on ice covered roads with walls of snow 10feet high on both sides of the two lane highway the night a blind drunk swerving all over the highway and heading straight for us slammed into us head-on and that bus $#!% him and his car up in the air and over the top of that 10foot snow berm into the ditch. He was unscathed. We however had a dented, smashed, pushed-in door side bus that never ever was the same. It, to this day, breaks my heart to think about that. I loved that bus. Loved it. And now it wasn't perfect anymore. We got it pulled out and fixed up, but still, it still pisses me off to think about that. Nothing like the night that bus went through the Roadhouse Bar in Ferndale.

I talked with the folks at the Ferndale Roadhouse and they confirmed that the First scenic missed the stop, and went straight, but did not hit the bar (it is off to the right of the intersection) but may have hit part of another building that was there at the time.   Another band member informed me that the first Scenic broke a tie rod on the road near Seely Lake Mt. and that was pretty much the end for her.  I have a clue as to where the bus might be now that I am chasing down.

 on: October 20, 2014, 02:30:57 PM 
Started by Tikvah - Last post by brmax
If its wrong I will be wrong with ya, as I replaced with it and bought more all in 40, not sure why but I ran in to the same deal with the weight and had time so I ask if they could get 40 and was no problem next morning. Curious to know how it works out for others.
Good day there

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