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« on: November 24, 2008, 06:16:17 PM »

No kidding! We came home two nights ago to the door latch ripped off the  door & the bus ransacked. They only got a little money which can be replaced. Fortunately for them, I didn't find them here when I came home!

Anyway, now I need to replace the door latch & need some ideas. The former latch was just a house style, standard lockset. The PO had a Barg lockset, poorly installed & about worn out when we bought the bus. I replaced it with the temporary house style lock shortly thereafter, intending on doing something different later.....

Well, LATER IS HERE!!!!

The door is a standard MC7 one piece almost 2" thick. The PO cut out a rectangle 3" high & 6" wide for the original lock so anything I do will have to be plated I think.

What's out there that is secure & reliable?

TOM
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 06:39:50 PM »

I installed the kind of lock that they use on commercial buildings in the glass doors available at any lock smith and designed to stand up to the criminal element.

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 06:50:18 PM »

i'm sorry.  unfortunately, i think it's going to get worse.

anything you need that i can help with?  Wire, spring loads, timers, grenades?  Wink

(homeland security, if you are monitoring, i'm joking. see the smiley at the end of the sentence. )

i was thinking about some sort of air lock as well as the dead bolt we have.  someone also said there is a magnetic lock that really seals the door.  i think it was out of my $ range vs jakes.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 06:57:50 PM »

Tom,

I am sorry to hear about the robbery. I hope that you can get thing straightened back up quickly. What part of the country are you in, I am just curious. Other than getting a big German Shepard (sounds like fun) or an alarm system, I don't think there is much hope of keeping a determined robber out.

Bunny trail...I wonder what a motion triggered figure that jumped out from behind a door and screamed (when switched on, while away from the bus), would do to a robber, that had a guilty conscience?  Shocked Grin

Enough rambling. I hope you figure things out.

God bless,

John
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 07:01:40 PM »

I'm sorry to here your bad news.  The world is changing and if they want in they will get in no matter how much you try to keep them out. I wish you could have caught them I know what I would have done as I believe in self protection if you know what I mean.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 07:14:00 PM »

Tom,

I have a house type deadbolt.  The part on the door frame has an 8 inch reinforced stainless still bar that the bolt slides through.

Sorry to hear about your break-in.  I had a house broke into once.  If I had been a little quicker getting out of the car and in the house, I may have been able to show them what a Mini-14 (and a 30 round clip) could do.  By the time I got in the house they were gone out the back door.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 04:51:17 AM »

Tom,

i researched and found a previous post on the magnetic door locks.

  in raised roof and had trouble with the door at the top moving when in high wind I  ...
...  of another Eagle owner and bought the magnetic lock from Access Control in Houston  ...
...  for me. I believe their web site is Door King the number is 877-688-4283 have a  ...

originally posted by makeminea2stroke in answer to someone's question.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 06:06:32 AM »

Thanks for the sympathy & well wishes!

We live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, way out in the country. The cops & I both think this was some local, probably young thug, who just wanted some money for drugs or a new game boy. Like I said, only money was taken and the really valuable things left, even thought they were in the same dresser.

The detective made more of a mess with the fingerprint dust than the burglar did.

I was planning on moving from here anyway as soon as I put together the rest of the financing on the new home site. All I need is someone who wants 10% on $15,000 for 36 months secured by real estate......  any investors are welcome....  Grin Grin Grin   For now, I am temporarily moving  back to the property  my other house is on. We rented the house so we can't move in...

I have a interior dead bolt installed plus the original driver actuated handle affair which makes the bus secure as long as I am on the inside.

The original air operated lock is still in place and operational. I have thought about modifying that some way so as to be operated from outside. It would be almost impossible to open the door with the air lock deployed. That would require an auxiliary air compressor and a way to isolate it from the rest of the air system when parked.  Any one have any ideas on that?

We do a lot of boon docking so energy requirements to run an air compressor are a consideration.

The mag lock is probably a good idea although it would require energy too.

I will check out the commercial locks too.

When I was truck driving, I had a '68 Diamond Reo conventional. It had a fiberglass hood. I rigged up a transformer, similar to a fence charger, to turn on as a security system when I left the truck. I hid the switch on the hood so I could turn it off & on without getting shocked. I wonder how that would work on the bus? My concern is the electronics on the bus. Would the charger damage the inverter, tank monitors, VCR, satellite dish, etc?

TOM
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 06:13:34 AM »

I once saw a bus conversion (MCI, I think - don't remember exactly)  that had two deadbolt locks installed in the frame so that the bolts went into the door.  Seemed pretty secure to me.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 06:29:54 AM »

The world is changing but don't let it discourage you, there are still more good people than bad out there.  If someone wants what you have, they'll take it, thats just the way it is, the main thing is that your ok and your family is ok.  For us to go south last winter I had to add locks to the house, for 25 years we hadn't locked our doors and the keys were no where to be found, up here is still isn't much of a problem, libby and I have left for months at a time with cars in the yard, unlocked, many times with the keys in the ignition, course with the cars I drive finding someone to take them is a major problem in itself lol.  Reading about your theft reminds me to at some point fix the lock in the bus door, it can be locked from the outside but not from the inside, something went wrong with it but we'll fix that at some point.  Just sorry to hear of your theft, the hardest part to overcome when something like that happens is the feeling of being violated.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 06:47:39 AM »

The world is definitely changing!  I recently was outside working in the engine compartment of the beast and realized that My ratty was barking at something which usually means a rattlesnake, while climbing out I noticed someone walking around in my pole barn looking at My green tractors!  I asked the idiot if I could help Him and the comment was I am just looking!  I guess He could not see the posted signs on the gate.  Only later did I discover the id plates missing off of two John Deere B models.  I sometimes wonder what Our country has come to be.  Hope that Your break in is the last bad thing to happen.  John
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 07:07:01 AM »

Tom,

    Sorry about your bus being violated Sad

   You might consider replacing the current air cylinder with an electric over hydraulic cylinder.
   then wire it up both outside and inside.

    Just a thought.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 07:25:46 AM »

Hi Tom,
Sorry you had the break-in.
As an extension of Skip's idea of using somthing other than the air cylinder to operate the original bus door lock, would a small electric accuator work? It would only require power to open or close the lock instead of maintaining air pressure all the time. Just another thought.
Good luck with your project, Sam 4106
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2008, 07:57:12 AM »

At one time, every member of the New York City Felon Apprehension squad had Medeco locks and Weiser deadbolts. They had them because they know how hard is is to get through them.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2008, 01:30:35 PM »

Tom, how about something like this: http://www.medeco.com/solutions/downloads/6PinDB.pdf
Sorry to hear of your troubles.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2008, 02:10:42 PM »

Here's what you do:

First, put on a cheap lock, wired to the alarm system -- or maybe to SHORE POWER!  Tampering with it completes the circuit and sets off the alarm.  To really do this right, put a couple of computer cameras to cover the door and front of the coach, recording the faces of anyone who gets too close.

Second, put in a keyless lock system, with a manual actuator hidden in the wheel well.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2008, 04:18:03 PM »

I LIKE the shore power idea! Unfortunately, they will put you in jail in Maryland for doing that.

Modifying the existing air locking mechanism seems to be the easiest remedy so far. If I remove that system from the air system completely, I can make it very tight so that the air compressor would only have to run once in a while to keep the air up. I already have a manual air switch right by the drivers right knee. An electric solenoid, with a key operated switch outside should complete the system.

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 08:55:11 AM »

I have a german shepard / lab that loves the bus as much as I do, I can't open the door without him running up the stairs and then stands on the floor peaking his head around the corner wondering what the hell I'm waiting for. Lets go for a ride!
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 05:27:09 PM »

I have installed a keyed deadbolt lock for now. I put a 3/16th aluminum plate over the outside to cover what was damaged and installed the deadbolt in it. It's not what I want but it will do for now until I get some of the other projects done.

Thanks for all the ideas!!

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2008, 11:04:37 PM »

I have installed a keyed deadbolt lock for now. I put a 3/16th aluminum plate over the outside to cover what was damaged and installed the deadbolt in it. It's not what I want but it will do for now until I get some of the other projects done.

Thanks for all the ideas!!

TOM


FWIW...you already done this.
About mounting aluminum plate over skin...whatever fasteners you use...try to use smooth head or non grip type so that it cannot be removed from the outside.

About any electric or air type actuator system for locking is one more thing to go wrong. I suggest to stay with bolt and add a loud electric horn & flashing head light alarm system whenever it being tampered.

ENFORCER 2000A (left click) Call them for your bus application for the best version.

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 03:38:00 AM »

Gerald.

Thanks for the site.

I used 3/8 carriage bolts to attach the plate.... with nuts on the inside! Grin

TOM
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2008, 04:31:24 AM »

thank god it was just money,goes 2 show you petty theft never changes and all is well in this world. If things have changed so much the bus would be gone. don't believe the media hype  Cool however boobytraps are not a concern of homeland security but of local police as it is not targeting any one but thieves who deserve it anyhow.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2008, 08:52:37 AM »

Sign in the door window:

Beware!
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2008, 09:04:31 AM »

Sign in the door window:

Beware!
Pet Snakes
On Board

LOL...very good one...I think the intruder will likely pass this up to invade...so they move on they see pet "Pet Tiger on Board" with GGGrrrrrrr (sound). LOL

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2008, 09:28:44 AM »

Gerald.

Thanks for the site.

I used 3/8 carriage bolts to attach the plate.... with nuts on the inside! Grin

TOM


Your welcome!

About smooth head bolt....yes carriage bolt is what I had in mind if you don't mine the cadmium plated. However, if you want SS carriage bolt (later) if you wants....marine supply store usually have them such as West Marine (left click)
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2008, 05:15:33 PM »

I like the snakes sign.

I actually considered making a sign that said:

NOTICE - SHOW SNAKES ON BOARD.
VERY TEMPERAMENTAL!!
CHECK WITH OWNER BEFORE ENTERING.
SEVERE INJURY OR DEATH MAY RESULT!   

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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2008, 06:55:44 PM »

sign on door "never mind  the snakes beware of owner" "tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted"
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2008, 11:00:02 PM »

OHhhh....I forgot something...What if the intruder can't read English. Yikes..ya...yikes!

How about having it in many languages. And it will take up to much space to cover all versions, however, it can be in fine print and have a provided magnifying glass outside on chain that is attach to the bus.

Or how about a snake language class. There should be no problem in finding a teacher with forked tongue.

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2008, 09:47:51 AM »

how about acsymbol for gun ,an alarm bell, skull , snake, dog, or badges?mor combination of thereof . tresspasserscwill be shot ,survivors will be shot again ;-)
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2008, 09:54:08 AM »

Tom,  I like your sign better.  A more courageous thief might decide a pet snake might be more passive towards people.  Your sign removes any room for that assumption.

Maybe the language problem could be overcome by an image of a cobra.

CB, how about trespassers will be mauled by the dog.  Survivors will be shot and fed to the snake.  Kind of coves it all.
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2008, 02:38:58 PM »

When I had a sign in the window "This vehicle protected by Smith and Wesson", I found that many people would travel out of their way to not pass too close - One guy commented "I guess you don't have many people drop in to say Hi?" - At that point I started putting the sign away if I was there -
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