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« on: December 07, 2008, 09:31:51 PM »

I recently read a post where the poster said Pre XL's have rust issues.  Does anybody know about this?

I saw a Pre that had taken a truck tire through the front windshield just.  The left front of the windshield was bashed in about a foot.  That pillar was made up of a lot of bondo and rust was exposed all over it.  I was told the Pre's rust around and at the bottom of the windshield.  That was a old Pre and didn't have the curved side windows.  Pre 8 vintage I would guess.

I saw this at Southern Oregon Diesel.  I think Dave told me the driver was OK and his wife wasn't hurt and lucky for their guest she had just gotten up from a nap and had taken a seat behind the driver when the tire came through the medium ditch, went airborn at 8 feet and went through the windshield.  Closing velocity was around 120 MPH so there was serious force involved.  Went right past the drivers right shoulder and continued into the bus and bounced around in the middle and came to rest on the bed after bashing into the rear wall.  Wiped out the refer I think.   This was many years ago so don't hold me to details.  Just saw some rust and that struck me as odd for the "best bus in the world".

Any other typical problems with the XL?  I hope to be in the market for one in a couple of years.

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 04:16:00 AM »

i had a 84 xl, factory marathon ( flat side windows), and the complete frt floor was rotten, and over the rear wheels also , so bad that the panels above the wheels on the outside warped, i ended up crushing it, ken
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 05:13:12 AM »

WHAT?Huh  Heresy!!!  Prevosts Rust??  Every one says only Eagles do.

just joking. don't go starting any fights here.

i have a friend who lengthened his prevost to 45ft and built a beautiful full length slide.  He was at bussin 2006 i think, before we moved to the civic center.
he had full pics of his conversion and you should have seen the rust he had to cut out.  his bus was some sort of transit bus in Montreal.  Over 10 years, he did a great conversion.

but he certainly had to deal with rust, and not just the windshield area.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 05:48:11 AM »

I have an 85 XL with no rust.I bought the bus from a small bus company and they said it always was a southern route coach and I guess they were right. It really makes a different where the bus spent it's life.Since I owned the bus It's only been snowed on once.That was a freak storm in early Oct. in S.D.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 08:15:16 AM »

I have not a clue where I got the idea that they were made out of stainless from the floor down, like an MCI. Huh  I will probably be looking for a late 80's to very early 90's conversion.  Is there a list of the typical areas to inspect and for what.  So far, this info has opened my eyes.  It can only get better for me so please share.

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 08:20:36 AM »

Yea they rust, I replaced both side walls  over 1/2 of the steel floor joist and 2 of the main frame rails,and all the frame work in the rear, none in the windshield area tho. Most of the rust you will not detect until you strip the unit are we having fun yet???
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 12:06:51 PM »

Buy one that spent it's life in a salt free area of the country. Mine came from California, did have some rust on the upper area over the engine but that was because the fiberglass cap was leaking by the rear driver side window. The edge of the cap had become loose by the window letting water in at the rear seating area. This cause the carpet and underlying wood to become water saturated for years causing rust a and corrosion .I fiberglassed the entire area then I will enclose it and then spray foam it to deaden the engine sound.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 01:03:53 PM »

JohnEd, here is a bit of information for you from a 1998 Prevost manual section 18
structure description   
The body is an integral structure made of 14,16 and 18 gauge welded and braced high tensile steel and stainless steel members
The roof arches are made with cold rolled,electrically welded (CREW) steel tubes 11/2" x 2" x 14 gauge.The inside filled with foam and the exterior primed.   
The front subframe is made of open sections of high-strength steel-alloy.These open sections premit a better application of primer and undercoating and does not trap moisture.
The rear subframe is made of sections of carbon steel.   
Section 18 page 8 goes into great detail on corrision and repairs on the bus   
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 07:01:06 PM »

Hey JohnEd
Yes, they rust but not as bad as I have seen on some Eagles. My 91 had several rivets popped out on the drivers side of the rear cap, similiar to Scanzel. That area had mild surface rust, nothing more. This is the only rust I have found. My bus came from the casino runs of Las Vegas. In fact, I found nearly a $100 in change when I stripped it!!!
On another note, there is a 1990 Country Coach version on eBay right now with a buy it now price of $49K. That is a steal! Someone needs to go after that. Even if you had to redo some of the interior/exterior there is no way you could go wrong with that price.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 10:49:37 PM »

Luvr,

Where can I get that manual?

Thanks,

John
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2008, 03:26:18 AM »

Have steel, will rust.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2008, 06:26:20 AM »

I guess its my turn!  My 82 Prevost had a couple of rust area's that were caused by running the drivers AC and defrost lines on the inside of the bus along the walls at the bottom, the condensation after 25 years took its toll. Other than that the only rust area's I found were in locations where individuals took short cuts and did not properly seal the siding. The floor pan under the front area, wheel wells, and chassis structure around the engine compartment are stainless! I'm sure when engineers designed these buses no one expected them to still be on the road several million miles and 25 years later!  My bus was a transit that ran between Boston and Washington, probably some of the nastiest winter weather around......considering what it went through, I'd say it held up pretty good!   I'm sure if using stainless had been used......we would have all appreciated it!  But costs decide which materials we use!  I have looked at some of the newer buses there is alot of stainless incorporated in them! 
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 09:47:06 AM »

John, Some models have all or a lot more stainless. Not sure which ones, H3 maybe?  Tom Y
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 01:30:09 PM »

"On another note, there is a 1990 Country Coach version on eBay right now with a buy it now price of $49K"
 

Wow. There's one that has been used. My calculator says over 7K miles a month. I notice they don't give
the total mileage. Undecided
Also they seem to believe that 8V92T runs on gasoline!  Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 02:41:55 PM »

Gyro,

Exactly!!!!  The current engine has 160K on it.  They usually manage to get 300K out of a 8V92 so I think the coach has close to a half million miles.  I know that a Pre will go many millions but they aren't maint free.  I would be looking at full brake redo w bearings and seals.  Shocks.  Alu rims wear out.  But at 40K I would expect there to be problems and I would go long on that inspection by professionals.

Great look'n bus though.

Caveat Emptor(?)

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 03:13:47 PM »

Gyro,

Exactly!!!!  The current engine has 160K on it.  They usually manage to get 300K out of a 8V92 so I think the coach has close to a half million miles.  I know that a Pre will go many millions but they aren't maint free.  I would be looking at full brake redo w bearings and seals.  Shocks.  Alu rims wear out.  But at 40K I would expect there to be problems and I would go long on that inspection by professionals.

Great look'n bus though.

Caveat Emptor(?)

John


Agreed. If the coach has been used that much since new (doubtfull, probably not the original owner, or use) it could have 1.5 mill on it. Not TOO bad for the coach, but a LOT for the conversion components, IMHO.I'd bet that gen has a lot of hours. It is good looking, though. Mitch
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 04:00:13 PM »

This coach was used as a cross country ambulance and was taken care of by our good friend John Silvers.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2008, 04:05:16 AM »

I drove this coach over 10,000 miles before the new engine was installed.  This is a lot of coach for the money.  If you got the shell free you couldn't do the inside for what John wants for the coach.  This coach ran under DOT and had to be ready to leave and go anywhere at any time.  It is probably in better shape than most of ours.
The pictures were just taken, but don't show some of the things the coach needs.  Most of what it needs is just TLC.  TLC doesn't cost a lot just takes time. 
The engine was a out of frame rebuild by a good CO. and is running clean.  I looked at it last week and there are no oil leaks. 
You could get in and go now without doing anything but fueling.
I have no connections to this bus.  John is a friend and I have driven the bus, but this info is just to try and give you some info from a fellow busnut.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 07:02:24 AM »

Johned; Prevost use no stainless steel in the sub frames any longer while visiting the factory I got a close up of the buses and ask why stainless wasn't used in the sub frame.I was told they did try it for about 2 years and the stainless was to brittle and would not hold up to stress and vibration, anything above the floor is steel.Watching the new X3-45 being built for Peter Pan and Greyhound they used no stainless construction only fiberglass and steel to save money and running the East that will be a rust bucket in 10 or so years.FWIW the XL's are being replaced by the X3-45 in 2010 it is a long wheelbased combination bus for the entertainer market also,sad to see the XL's being replaced by a fiberglass sided bus.  have a great day
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 06:06:13 PM »

I thank all of you so very much.  I would give John's coach much consideration if were in the market at this time.

Thanks again,

John
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 07:45:13 PM »

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"On another note, there is a 1990 Country Coach version on eBay right now with a buy it now price of $49K"
 

Wow. There's one that has been used. My calculator says over 7K miles a month. I notice they don't give
the total mileage. Undecided
Also they seem to believe that 8V92T runs on gasoline!  Cheesy
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http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990-PREVOST-COUNTRY-COACH-MOTORHOME_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50056QQihZ004QQitemZ140287785358QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Well, well, well!
I know that coach! Cody does too! As a matter of fact I still have an unpaid invoice laying here beside me on my desk! For service done to it here at my shop. I don't know any John Silver, but it was indeed used as a medical transport bus by a guy named Dick White of Sunnyvale Enterprises of Sebring, FL.
It's not a bad running coach, but it does have lost of flaky rust everywhere underneath it! And as said it needs MUCH TLC.
Also I don't if they got the inside repaired or not. One of the drivers they fired got doped up and came out here to our shop while it was here and trashed the interior, then laid down in it and went to sleep! I had come in EARLY in the AM and had gone to bed, and sometime between then and when dad came home in the early afternoon Marcus came up and decided to "trash & crash". The only reason we new he was here was he was running the generator for A/C. Dad came up to the house and asked me why the generator was running on the "medical bus"? (as we called it) I had NO IDEA what he was talking about & it was the same week end that the landlord sunk his firebird in the pond! So my first thought was the drunk landlord had been down there fooling with it and tried to start it to drive it, but was unable to figure it out and started the genny by mistake. But as it turns out it was their ex driver Marcus curled up on the couch. I tried to open it and go in to shut off the genny, but the door was locked. So I pounded & pounded on the door until a still dopey Marcus opened the door. He said he needed to borrow my phone to call Don (Dick's right hand man up here). So I dialed the # and handed the phone to Marcus. Well when Don didn't answer and he left a voice msg. dad told him they had told us "they didn't want him around the coach anymore and he'd have to leave". So he grabbed his duffle bag, walked around the outside and shut the genny off and started out down the drive on foot. Dad opened the door and saw the door key was not on the dash where they left it. So he called Marcus back and asked where it was, he told dad "I thought I put it back"! Dad said "no I just checked" So he pulled it out of his pocket and handed it to dad and left.
After he'd been gone awhile and dad and I were headed to the house I decided I'd better turn the A/C units off so that something didn't blow when the genny was restarted! As I stepped up in the bus I found broken glass everywhere, some broken wood from cabinets, and liquid poured everywhere from the middle back! The ceiling fan it the bedroom had been destroyed, mirrors broken, blue liquid everywhere, stuff tore off the walls, just trashed!
I ran and told dad he needed to look at it, and called the sheriffs dept. And they sent an officer out and he took a report and used my cell phone to call Mr. White. Once that was done Mr. White thanked me for calling the law & him and told me Don would be by to see the damage and we'd go from there.
Well Don came out and talked to dad several days later while I was gone, looked over the coach and found even more damage than I had. He had the sheriff come back and take an updated report and more pictures. Then they wanted us to give them an estimate for the insurance company. We couldn't do that as we are mechanics and not conversion specialists. So they asked us to fix a couple things it needed and service it and they would pick it up and take it back to FL to get the estimate. That is the last we saw or heard from it or them!  FWIW Grin  BK  Grin 
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2008, 05:04:21 AM »

The bus that is for sale now isn't the one that was trashed at your place.  That was the Brown bus, they were both 1990 buses.  They were both traded in here in Lakeland on another bus.  The Brown one has been sold.  This is the best of the two buses.  This one has almost no rust, the other one was loaded with rust. 
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2008, 06:06:00 AM »

The bus that is for sale now isn't the one that was trashed at your place.  That was the Brown bus, they were both 1990 buses.  They were both traded in here in Lakeland on another bus.  The Brown one has been sold.  This is the best of the two buses.  This one has almost no rust, the other one was loaded with rust. 
Jack

Jack I don't mean to argue with you, but this one LOOKS exactly like the one we had here! I remember the A/C compressor having the belt removed and some other things ablout also! I can not and will not swear that I'm right and your wrong, but the # of the one that was here was P2! Cody can probably tell us if I'm wrong or not as I thnik he took pics of it!  I never did, and I also will agree abut the rust! I could be wrong, and if so I am sorry. But to me it looks like the same bus we had here.
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