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Author Topic: Moab, UT -- Considering for spring break  (Read 4263 times)
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2009, 11:52:25 AM »

We'll head down to Des Moines, IA and then head west on I-80.  Then we'll head down to Denver and go up and over the mountains into UT.

West from Denver on I-70?  With a COACH?  I wouldn't do that, unless you have at least 400HP to the flywheel, Jake brake and turbocharger, and then only between mid-May and mid-September.

I-70 west from Denver has numerous miles-long pulls up to 8%, topping with Vail Pass -- the highest Interstate pass in the country, at over 11,000 feet.  If there is any snow within 2000 miles, that's the place you'll find it, and it gets closed frequently by chain-reaction accidents, usually with dozens of vehicles wrapped up in them.  Unless you particularly want to see Denver, you're a lot better off staying on I-80 to Salt Lake City, then south on I-15 to US 6, US 6 to I-70, then to Moab from there.  If you DO want to see Denver and Moab, you still probably would be happier going around, except in summertime.

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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2009, 03:15:11 PM »

Hey BG6.  Thanks for the concern.  Check out my profile and navigate to my website.  You'll see why I am prepared to run that route.  I've been there and done that.  If the weather goes "south" I'll simply pull over and enjoy the weather from the comfort of my wonderfully equiped coach.  When it all blows over I'll then head back out all relaxed and ready for the next part of the journey.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2009, 04:12:21 PM »

West from Denver on I-70?  With a COACH?  I wouldn't do that, unless you have at least 400HP to the flywheel, Jake brake and turbocharger, and then only between mid-May and mid-September.


To each his own, I guess -- we consider I-70 to be the "easy" backup route, in case we want to avoid Monarch Pass on US-50.  Along the 70 corridor, we tend to stay off the Interstate and follow US-6 or US-40 instead anyway.  And that's with a 39', 48,000lb coach.  I would have no worries about doing I-70 in any vehicle, although I would make plenty of stops to cool the brakes if I did not have the retarder.

I-70 has granny lanes on the long upgrades, and, even with an underpowered coach, you'll likely still be passing some of the trucks.  Just watch your temperature like a hawk.

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2009, 05:06:27 PM »

I appreciate all the concern about the long up grades.  However, the ISM I have in the coach does not have an over heating issue.  I'll be able to run the hills without any heating issues.  In fact, this time of the year I have more issues with it running too cold.  Usually, the heat I pull out of the coolant to heat the interior of the bus is more than is produced by the engine.  Today during my test drive it was only 10 degrees here and the engine would not run any hotter than 150.  I've been able to run as hard as I want up the long grades in WY along US HWY 16 out of Buffalo without any over heating issues during the summer.  Sure, the engine oil gets hot, about 200 - 220, but nothing to be concerned about. 

On the down grades I just run it on the jake brakes with the engine wound up.  I run in a gear where I don't have to use the brakes.  So, the brakes are always cold and ready for a hard stop.  This takes the worry out of the hill.

Sean, I'm interested in any more scenic routes.  I'll look at your recommendations and see where they would take us.

BTW, I have a 31,000 lb coach with a 400 hp engine.  I have plenty of performance with this combination.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2009, 05:24:52 PM »

Looked at a map of Colorado
      US 50:  I don't want to go all the way down to Pueblo since I'm coming from Minneapolis
      US 40:  Goes too far north for where I want to go in UT
      US 6:  I could run that, but it appears it mostly piggy backs on I-70

Nice ideas though.  I'll remember them for in the summer when planning out my summer vacation route.
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 05:32:35 PM »

Brian, If you need a place to stage to wait for weather to clear I live 35 miles north of Denver 3 miles from interstate 25. You are welcome to stay here I have full hook ups and a beautiful view of the mountains. Even if you just want to stop and talk buses for a while that would be fine I only know Eagle but am trying to learn other bus languages. You will do just fine in the mountains on I 70 and also see a lot of pretty sites.

Enjoy Colorado on your way through Wayne 303-591-0372
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2009, 06:49:54 PM »

Kent,
If we head out there we would be there from roughly Sunday, the 5th to Saturday morning, the 11th.

Wayne,
Thanks for the offer!  We will keep it in mind as our plans firm up more.
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2009, 09:50:08 PM »

Another little side trip you might look into is running the "haz Mat" route around Eisenhower tunnel. I believe the route number is US-6. It is kind of a nice trip up into the mountains and around several ski resorts...you might even see some "slat-rats"  Grin. Now here is your warning..I only take the truck up there when I am hauling haz mat or I am light. It is twisty road and has several good pulls on it. That said I love the views!
Pay attention as you are going west thru the tunnel...as you come out of the tunnel there are sometimes several big horn sheep grazing off to the right...I dang near wreck the truck eveytime I see them.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2009, 05:13:02 AM »

Hey Brian,

Good news on the front suspension rebuild my firend!!! Yeehaw.   Hey Wayne invited you over to his place on your way and I just want to say Lea and I would drive a day out of our way to see him and his bride again. Not only is he a swell guy but his shop and Eagles are second to none. You being the do it yourselfer that I know you are and a technically driven person, you would just love spending time with Wayne. Bring some shop rags to wipe up the drool when you see his S60/eaton combo or the suspension on his late model conversion he is in the process of building.
The S60 has like 12 miles on it.
Either way have fun and give the wife and kids a hug for Lea, Grace, Sam and I.

We sure are glad you guys live so close.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2009, 06:02:29 AM »

Brian, I am sure you have your fuel stops planned but don't overlook Cheyenne Wyoming. There are 2 or 3 truck stops on 80 before Cheyenne and a Flying J and a Loves south of town on 25. The fuel is always cheaper than in Colorado Fill up before you enter.

Hi Rick glad to see you made it through the winter.

Have a safe trip Wayne
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2009, 06:54:20 PM »

I just came back from Salt Lake area skiing. I hate I 80 so came back on I 70 to Denver. Since Arches is so close to the Interstate I had to get a few pics. Anyway as far as camping goes... Along hwy 128 from Moab to I 70 there isn't any more "free" camping. There is 4 or 5 primitive campgrounds, (no hookups), within 9 miles of hwy 191 @ Moab. There is one more between Mile markers 23/24. There must have been some fire or something in the campgrounds as they are missing most plant life. Not much, if any, shade in any of them. The rates were $8 a nite which is good. All are on the river and very little access to the water. That's ok though since the water is really cold, even in the summer, and very muddy with a fast current. The views are out of this world with sheer red walls rising up from the water.  If you're going to try camping up the river, park @ the intersection of 191/128 then take the toad "scouting" If no toad be sure where you're going before you pull in. They seem to be more for "car camping" than large coaches.

Don & Sheila
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2009, 07:02:00 PM »

Don, Thanks for the information.  I would like to try and find a spot up HWY 191 a few miles from Moab.  I was thinkinig of checking out Willow Spring Trail on the East side of 191.  In the google maps satelite imagery there appears to be a handful of places to park. 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=onion+creek+rd,+moab,+ut&sll=38.573304,-109.550852&sspn=0.040463,0.076904&g=moab,+ut&ie=UTF8&ll=38.697133,-109.688144&spn=0.021001,0.05918&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2009, 09:45:36 PM »

... Along hwy 128 from Moab to I 70 there isn't any more "free" camping. ...


I suspect there is still plenty of free camping along this route (as I had previously suggested to you, Brian, in a private email).  Note, however, that you'll almost never see these spots from the road.  (I also suspect that, in the past, people have gotten away with camping closer to the road, within sight, prompting Don's comment above.)

Note that BLM "dispersed camping" rules require (and have always required) you to be at least 1/4 mile from the nearest paved road. In most places, that puts you out of sight of the paved road due to terrain or vegetation.  Many people have taken liberty with this requirement, and I confess to having done so myself on occasion.  For example, if you take a dirt side road that goes off at, say, a 45-degree angle, if you only look at the odometer to measure the quarter mile, you will actually still be about a fifth of a mile from the paved road (specifically, from a point on the paved road another quarter mile from where you turned).  You need to be 1/4 mile from any pavement, as the crow flies.

I see nothing on the BLM site for that region to suggest that dispersed camping has been restricted, as long as you are actually on BLM land and follow the rules, which I summarized in this post:
http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2008/05/dispersed-camping-on-public-lands.html

(Note also, in that list, that dispersed camping right on the river, in places where the river runs through BLM land, is prohibited.  You need to be at least 100' from any water source, and the Colorado is no exception.  Here again, I suspect that people had been getting away with riverfront camping, and that may no longer be the case, with good reason.)

The good news is that, due to closure last October of all areas other than  "designated roads" to motor vehicles in the BLM Moab district, you can now download detailed maps of these travel routes from the BLM site, here:
http://www.blm.gov/ut/st/en/fo/moab/recreation/motorized_routes/travel_management.html

These maps provide enough detail to determine where the unpaved roads are and whether any given spot is within BLM jurisdiction, a very handy resource.

FWIW.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2009, 10:25:34 PM »

... There must have been some fire or something in the campgrounds as they are missing most plant life. Not much, if any, shade in any of them. ...


Don,

The vegetation is systematically being removed because they were invasive species, and the BLM wants to eliminate them in favor of native species.  The latest weapon in the fight has been the introduction of the tamarisk leaf beetle to wipe out the remainder of the highly invasive tamarisk.  Details here:
http://www.blm.gov/ut/st/en/fo/moab/fire/colorado_river___a.html

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2009, 05:44:28 AM »

I love just being out and alone. Bring your atv's and explore! If you don't have them hiking is really nice too. Sounds like you have one great vacation planned. Enjoy!

God bless,

John
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