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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2009, 11:21:18 AM »

I know for a fact that the two closest WalMart stores here do not carry ANY straight 40W CF2 oils, Delo 100 or otherwise.  [They do have Delo 400 15-40, but of course that does not help. ]

You could contact Chevron directly, and I am sure they could put you in touch with a local distributor.  I regularly buy Delo 100 directly from a distributor here in PA, and they have no problem selling direct to me.


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• Phone: 1-800-228-3500
Email: lubricants@chevron.com
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2009, 11:39:54 AM »

Yeah it's hit and miss with the Walmarts.  There is a big box store called tractor Supply that I have had good luck with, they had 30W, 40W, and 50W as well.  I liked the TS stores because they have all manner of nuts and bolts, higher strength ones in large bus/heavy duty sizes. to wit:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DisplayCategory_10551_10001_130607_14319_-1_14297|14312|14319

there's one in Pottstown PA
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2009, 11:44:16 AM »

Yeah it's hit and miss with the Walmarts.  There is a big box store called tractor Supply that I have had good luck with, they had 30W, 40W, and 50W as well.  I liked the TS stores because they have all manner of nuts and bolts, higher strength ones in large bus/heavy duty sizes.

You just gotta love those Tractor Supply stores. I'm like a kid in a candy store everytime I go in one.
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2009, 11:58:24 AM »

Doug, Looks like we might be bringing our Eagle to Oregon first of June, then back to TX end of the month. Maybe we could hook up sometime along the way. What part of the glorious state are you in?

PS sorry to hijack, but then again it already has.......LOL

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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2009, 12:22:57 PM »

Be careful of the Tractor Supply and other farm stores.... make sure you are getting a single weight API CF-2 oil. As far as I know, only 2 of Tractor supplies oil meets the CF-2 rating.. one is a multigrade oil, not suitable for conditions that you are likely to encounter, and the other is TRAVELLER PREMIUM ALL FLEET DIESEL 30Wt. which will do, but you really need 40Wt.

As a side note, up until the early 60's, Detroit Diesel recommended 30Wt oil for their 2 stroke engines.

Here is a list of (mostly) acceptable oils according to API. Just remember, there are some caveats in using these oils, and as far as I know, this list is pretty far out of date......

Check the label on the oil you are looking at and make SURE it says API CF-2.

http://eolcs.api.org/FindBrandByServiceCategory.asp?ServiceCategory=CF-2

For some reasons WHY you need to use only a single weight, CF-2 rated oil, check out the Tejas Coach website.

http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html

http://www.tejascoach.com/ddcoil.html
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« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2009, 12:37:43 PM »

Doug, Looks like we might be bringing our Eagle to Oregon first of June, then back to TX end of the month. Maybe we could hook up sometime along the way. What part of the glorious state are you in?

PS sorry to hijack, but then again it already has.......LOL

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  We would love to meet you and your family but I think by June we will be moved (but again, we haven't decided where to move to yet) but we won't know where we are moving to until I get my next contracting gig.  I would love to find a good paying gig in the vicinity of the bus (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona) so that I wouldn't have to travel so far at the wrench turning rally that is coming the end of April, but as of yet no leads that I am confident about.  If by some miracle (or curse) we are still here in Southern Oregon (Medford area), we would love to meet.

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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2009, 12:42:39 PM »

Dallas, I never bought into Charlie's deal on the 15/40 causing that,looks to me like some didn't install the piston pin seals right and didn't pull a vacuum test on the seals. You now how easy oil rings get broke if somebody don't know what they are doing     good luck
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« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2009, 01:02:17 PM »

Be careful of the Tractor Supply and other farm stores.... make sure you are getting a single weight API CF-2 oil. As far as I know, only 2 of Tractor supplies oil meets the CF-2 rating.. one is a multigrade oil, not suitable for conditions that you are likely to encounter, and the other is TRAVELLER PREMIUM ALL FLEET DIESEL 30Wt. which will do, but you really need 40Wt.

As a side note, up until the early 60's, Detroit Diesel recommended 30Wt oil for their 2 stroke engines.

Here is a list of (mostly) acceptable oils according to API. Just remember, there are some caveats in using these oils, and as far as I know, this list is pretty far out of date......

Check the label on the oil you are looking at and make SURE it says API CF-2.

http://http://eolcs.api.org/FindBrandByServiceCategory.asp?ServiceCategory=CF-2

For some reasons WHY you need to use only a single weight, CF-2 rated oil, check out the Tejas Coach website.

http://http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html

http://http://www.tejascoach.com/ddcoil.html


Excellent information Dallas!  Thank you for sharing that.  After thoroughly reading those findings, I won't use any oil other than Delo 100 in my bus again.  I still can't find any in El Paso (I used the Chevron website and there was only one distributor - C&S - and they don't have Delo 100) but I found it here so I will buy two cases before I come down (or provide the funds if I don't end up coming for some unforeseen reason).  It is $74.95/6 gallon case or $62.95/5 gallon jug here in Medford.

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« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2009, 01:04:32 PM »

Yeah, I've had my thoughts about that too, but for the guys that really see no difference in the grades of oil, the best way I know of is to point them in the right direction.

a few years ago I asked a friend of mine that worked for DD, (a high paid engineer type that I wouldn't allow to touch a wrench on his Aluminum Ford V-8 Flathead), to explain exactly what the differences are in the damage to pistons and liners was between the multigrade oils and the single weight CF-2.
The answer I got was that the shear of the multigrade oils was in the same (approximate) class as the clearance on the older continental aircraft engines... about 1/2 of one thousandth of an inch, but the 2 stroke DD's were set up to run a lot larger clearance, and the multigrade oils wouldn't supply the thickness when needed, hence the scuffing.
Once enough scuffing took place, the piston/liner/engine was ripe to be damaged by the inherent knock that all diesels use as the primary means of firing.

I do know that when I got my Old Look transit GMC with it's new rebuilt engine, it ate oil as if it were eggs through a funnel or gas through a hen... but when I changed out to Texaco Ursa 40Wt, the oil use stopped, the engine got a lot quieter and the smoke stopped. Too bad I broke that one in two with the weight I was carrying on the trailer.

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Dallas, I never bought into Charlie's deal on the 15/40 causing that,looks to me like some didn't install the piston pin seals right and didn't pull a vacuum test on the seals.  good luck
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« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2009, 01:12:25 PM »

Doug, Don't get too het up about finding Delo 100....

Exxon HD is the same thing... since Exxon and Chevron are now one company.

Texaco Ursa is also a good choice, as is Rotella Single grade.

I bought some from Farm and Fleet a couple of years ago that met the API CF-2 requirements.. I used it as a break in oil after I did a head gasket job on my 4103. It worked well, and if I couldn't find anything else at oil change time... I'd use it again.

Dallas

PS.... Check with your local NAPA jobber and have him order some Rotella or Exxon or Delo for you. Or, Call/email BK at Kylakesidetravel.com and see if he can get some over this way via busnuts, his charters or whatever is available.

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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2009, 01:20:30 PM »

HI Dallas, just to clarify if it says API CF-2 it's good right?  I've seen CF-2 40W at Walmart, and at Tractor Suppy (don't think it was the Traveller stuff though).  My thinking on this has always been that in a pinch any CF-2 40W will do but given time Rotella (or other big brand name) would be the one to use. 
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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2009, 01:25:04 PM »

Dallas, not to correct you here but Exxon/Mobil and Chevron /Texaco he can  buy oil at Stewart and Stevenson Mobil or Chevron that is where I get my oil changed but my engine likes the Mobil doesn't like the Delo  good luck
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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2009, 01:29:33 PM »

OOPS!
Thanks Clifford. You are a gentleman.

And yes, I knew that.. and got my corporations mixed up. Shame on me. I could have caused a lot of consternation for newbies if you hadn't spoken up.

Dallas

Dallas, not to correct you here but Exxon/Mobil and Chevron /Texaco he can  buy oil at Stewart and Stevenson Mobil or Chevron that is where I get my oil changed but my engine likes the Mobil doesn't like the Delo  good luck
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