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Author Topic: Complete newbie... 1966 GMC PD-4107 (#265)  (Read 4964 times)
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« on: March 11, 2009, 06:11:26 PM »

Hi,

My friend and I just bought a bus last Saturday. As the title says, it's a PD-4107. We didn't get any manuals, so we've ordered some and are waiting for them to come.

BUT, I can't wait to get started. A bus in the driveway is like money in my pocket; I can't just leave it there. The bus is in pretty good shape, as far as I can tell, but I want to remove as much as possible from the interior (the seats are already gone). I have 2 main concerns with the beginning of this.

1) I understand that our bus has a semi-monocoque design, so I'm not sure what to do about the inner skin.
2) I've read that the floor helps the bus to hold its shape. I haven't pulled the flooring to know what the plywood underneath looks like, but if it needs to be replaced, how do I go about that without compromising the structural integrity of the bus? My guess is a panel-by-panel approach, but I figured I would ask the experts.

I've seen some people passing around information about the history of their buses, so if anyone has info about good old #265, I'd love to hear it. Also, if anyone has suggestions or recommendations specific to 4107s, I obviously need all the help I can get.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but I'm excited both about the new bus and becoming part of this great community (though I've already been lurking for a while).

TIA,
Joe
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 08:51:33 PM »

Joe,

There are others here that are more qualified to answer your questions but I wanted to welcome you to the madness. You should be able to inspect most of the plywood floor from the underside. Just open any bay or compartment and look up. The GM buses are some of the easiest to work on. Unfortunately they were too expensive for GM to keep building them. I love the classic looks of the old stuff.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 05:13:43 AM »

Vanderbus.
  Joe,
      Welcome to the insane world of bus owners!  You've picked my favorite bus and will soon share the tremendous feelings of accomplishment having converted it "your way".  Regarding your questions, Structurally significant interior panels are riveted in, no screws or pop rivets.  You'll find these above and around the windows but under several layers of trim panels.  The flooring is asbestos laden, so when removing it wear a mask and keep the windows open.   Send me an 'off board email' so we can trade phone #s, I love to talk busses and my conversion is essentially done.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 06:16:06 AM »

Congratulations Joe!
I had a 4905 with lot's of issues.  Here are some things to look for. 

Look at the plywood floor from inside the baggage bay.  Are the torsion arms pulling the floor down?  Check the floor in front of the driver's seat.  Espeically under the side window. 

Look for bad cloth wiring in the electrical panel under the driver's side window.

Where is your Muffler located and what condition is it in?  Some were mounted behind the engine (toward the front of the bus) and when they go bad, they can melt the throttle cable, burn up airbags and catch the floor on fire.  Others were mounted between the engine and the radiator.

Have fun with the new bus!

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 06:27:20 AM »

Joe, you might also put your location in either your profile or, even better, in your signature.  You never know when there's another member nearby.  We're in Dallas, TX, with 4107-1180. 

You can also get the original GM delivery information (Final Vehicle Record) through Mike Ondecker at the Ohio Museum of Transportation (with a $25 donation).  Here's a link where it was discussed.

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=5416.0


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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 07:02:23 AM »

Thanks, guys, for the welcomes and advice. I'm going to try to check out some of the things that you mentioned this afternoon (especially the muffler, thanks for the tip, Glenn). So, in case something goes horribly wrong  Wink, here's a photo of what she looks like right now (hopefully I did it right).


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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 07:16:37 AM »

PD-4107-265
From GMC to Rode Island Bus Corp. Providence,R.I. Fleet number 317.
04/1966.
She had a sister PD4107-264 that was bought at the same time from GMC to the same company it's fleet number was 316.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2009, 01:41:29 PM »

I have all the 4107 manuals and parts book on PDF file if interested.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2009, 02:30:36 PM »

 Vanderbus;
 Where did you find this coach,it looks familiar!If it is the one I am thinking of,it has some unique history.
Bill
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2009, 04:19:48 PM »

4106, I would definitely be interested in a soft copy of the manuals. Thanks for the offer.

Bill, my friend bought it from Easter's Bus Sales in Bassett, VA. The story they told was that they bought it after a guy passed away and that it had been sitting for a while. Before that - at least, the paint on the side says - it was owned by Woodland Baptist Christian School in Winston-Salem, NC.

JLV, I see that you're from Palestine. My bus may be rolling through there around Memorial Day on the way to Buffalo, TX.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2009, 04:35:32 PM »


JLV, I see that you're from Palestine. My bus may be rolling through there around Memorial Day on the way to Buffalo, TX.

Joe,

you'll only be 42.7 miles away from us in Franklin! LOL

Dallas
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2009, 04:53:51 PM »

OK! When you get into Palestine,Texas I would like to see your Baby Buffalo.
Keep me posted on your trip west.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2009, 04:57:56 PM »

Vanderbus
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 05:32:49 PM »

 Vanderbus;
 This bus belonged to a Detroit Diesel Mechanic who owned his own shop. He passed away several years ago,and Easters repaired or put another engine in it. I am thinking this bus was bought new by Piedmont Coach lines in Winston Salem,NC.It would have been unit#466. Does this one have a restroom(or did it orinally)?
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