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Author Topic: Is a Newell Coach considered a bus?  (Read 5518 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2006, 04:56:37 AM »

Thanks Knuck - that's funny.

Gee Dave, wish I had a 20 year old bus.

Here's my observation.  I've traveled a lot of miles, all over the country and all over the world.  I've seen GM buses and Prevost buses and MCI buses and Eagle buses - all liveried up and hauling paying passengers.  I've seen Orion buses and Dina buses and VanHool buses and Gillig buses, with destination signs and route numbers.  I've seen Bluebird buses and Crown buses and Thomas buses and IC buses, mostly haulin' brats to school.  I've seen Flxible buses that ain't really that flexible,,,  I've probably even seen a couple of kinds of buses I can't remember seeing.

I ain't never seen me no Newell buses, nor any Winnebago buses or Jayco buses or, or, or,,,  They must not be buses.

Casper4104 - getting by in a 48 year old BUS.

(BTW - July 4th weekend.  Marietta OH to Poquoson VA and back with a little running around while there.  1000 miles, 88 gallons,  11.4mpg.  Nice run, no problems except the Basset Hound gettin' bus sick and hurling on an old sleeping bag).
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2006, 05:08:23 AM »

I suspect you would! LOL
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2006, 06:35:49 AM »


I ain't never seen me no Newell buses, nor any Winnebago buses or Jayco buses or, or, or,,,  They must not be buses.


So, to be a bus, it had to haul passengers, or at least have the capacity to haul passengers...hmmmm I can live with that definition.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2006, 07:27:11 AM »

Maybe to bring a little logic to the question we could put it this way:

A = Bus
B = Coach
C = RV life
D = A +/- B

therefore, D = C or A or B.

It don't matter to me. I've worked on both and they have the same problems and foilbles.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and poops like a duck and runs like a duck,
It has to be a bus/coach.

The only thing I'm sure it isn't is a travel trailer or a fifth wheel.
Of course it might not be a duck either.

OK, That's my nonsense for the moment.

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2006, 07:42:47 AM »

Jimmy, it's your truck - call it anything you like.  When I'm cranking that big wheel trying to do a U-turn in a parking lot I tend to call mine Mabel ("Come on Mabel" - "Give me 40 acres and I'll turn this rig around").

I don't know if a Newell is a bus or not, but I looked at a few, and they're a lot more substantial than the garden variety S&S rig.  I love/hate my bus because it's a real piece of heavy-duty, million mile commercial equipment.  Love the quality and durability, hate the prices of parts & service - and both are part and parcel to playing with big toys.

The Newell is a lot closer to a bus than to a S&S for sure.  Big stuff, quality stuff, strong structure.  They're nice.  If it's not a bus it's certainly a Coach, and way more than a "Camper".

IMHO-FWIW-YMMV

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2006, 09:37:06 AM »

I think a Newell is a high quality motorhome.

But that is all it is. A bus conversion is based on a shell that has been tested in public service over millions of miles and has had certifications and inspections fitting for a vehicle that carries people. While a Newell may use similar components and be built as heavy as the typical bus, it lacks the "experience" a builder of buses gets.

If my Prevost has weak points, they will quickly be identified by the commercial operators and the fixes for the flaws will be implemented quickly because the failure to do so could be catastrophic. I doubt that a motorhome builder who puts out 30 or 40 a year and those are rearely driven more than 10,000 miles a year can possible have a product as well proven as the typical MCI, Prevost or other commercial bus.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2006, 01:38:13 PM »

Does all this mean that a motorhome made from a new Prevost is not a bus. It came from the factory with slideouts and that model never carried passengers and wasn't designed to carry passengers.

Unless a word is trademarked or copyrighted you can apply it to anything. . Remember the Volkswagen combi bus?
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2006, 02:01:58 PM »

I think in the context of how the word is used on this forum, a Newell does not qualify as a bus.

The shells coming new from the factory that never see commercial service are in fact duplicates of shells that are used for commercial service with the exception of certain accomodations for converters that have no affect on the integrity of the product.

Slide shells are and have been used in commercial service. Any search of used Prevost coaches will quickly reveal a fairly large number of Prevost coaches that have been used by entertainers that have slides. These have been pressed into commercial service and rack up hundreds of thousands of miles before they are sold by the leasing company to private owners.

I am in no way suggesting a Newell will have a lifespan equal to the typical S&S, but because of the limited number of fleet miles, if they have a weak point it may not be identified for a number of years, perhaps decades. By then it is unlikely the factory is going to stand behind any repairs. My 97 on the other hand has a fleet history that is measured in millions of miles and any weld failure due to vibration, or persistant corrosion problem, or any electrical gremlin has long been identified and a fix engineered. Owners of an MCI, GM, etc. can have the same comfort.

A very serious problem with any means of transportation, including our buses is the affect vibrations will have on the structure. With the right vibrations anything can be disassembled sometimes with catastrophic consequences Owners of certain models of buses in fact will tell you about certain failure points that need attention. All I am suggesting is a vehicle that meets the definition of a bus as used on this forum is a proven design and is unlikely to present its owner with any surprises.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2006, 02:11:18 PM »

A Newell is neither a bus or a coach:

http://www.aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=coach

http://www.aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/bus+

It is a motorized recreational vehicle.  The RV  industry has highjacked the word "coach" and to a lessor extent "bus", and now they even call pop-up trailers and slide in campers "coaches" (and probably tents, too).  What most of have is "converted buses", a new Prevost RV would be an RV made from a new bus shell, and is not a bus conversion.

--Geoff (using the dictionary)
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2006, 06:51:29 PM »

Seems I recall the Newell story involved the owner purchasing a Beck, taking it apart, reverse eng to build his shell on that pattern.  Anyone else know of this ?

Also, a couple of years ago a Newell ad stated a useful load of something like 1,054lbs !  I believe the Newell response was that that was only with full tanks. Anyone else recall ?
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2006, 08:55:37 PM »

I had to chime in here-

That was so funny BK! Really great! Cheesy Grin

So what else can I add to this post? Huh

I don’t know a Newell from a Muwell, but I’m sure they’re Coowell!! Cool

My take on Buses (I spelt that right) and R/Vs-Motor-homes is- if it came with a bunch of seats, it’s a bus-
Everything else is just that—something else.

Now another point to confuse the issue:

I read where a “Coach” is a bus that was used for distance travel, as opposed to city routes.

Spank me if need be.

I'm off to bed-

Cheers..

Ps-
Casper: All those.......and you didn’t mention…….Brill! Wink



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