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Author Topic: Letter of warning to ("Newbees") on "ANY" bus purchase  (Read 6441 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 08:29:34 AM »

My biggest concern would be with an eBay third party dealer who is not the owner.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 09:42:56 AM »

The letter has all the characteristics of an internet myth; it happened to a "friend of a friend", has some "checkable facts" and plays on the readers fears.

Gary confirmed it was not his friend but a friend of.  The plausible facts, there is a Karolina Koaches, they sell on Ebay, they sell a lot of repo's and a smart buyer wouldn't send money ahead.  A shady dealer is a fear of most prudent people.  What doesn't fit, Karolina Koaches has good Ebay feedback and their inventory looks to be clean. 

My Ebay experience matches most people here in that the seller has been completely honest about the condition of the purchase.  Most of the Ebay scams I've encountered concerned money.  Buyers sending checks to be cashed or sellers wanting money before any inspection takes place. 

It would be interesting to know if the letter was written by someone who had their coach repoed, was out bid on an auction or mad at Ebay

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 09:49:32 AM »

I've bought at least a dozen cars on Ebay (plus my bus), and have only once been disappointed with what I bought - and that was a very casual purchase of a cheap car that I only needed for a short period. Buying on Ebay is all about understanding the situation - particularly that a winning bid is a legally-binding contract to purchase, and that the onus is therefore on the buyer to educate themselves about the item in question, and satisfy themselves that they are happy before bidding. Deciding you aren't happy afterwards doesn't cut it - unless the seller deliberately mis-represented the item of course, which is a different thing entirely (and, as far as I can tell, not being suggested in this case).

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 11:10:56 AM »

I remember reading this story a few years ago, from the original buyer, and I'm trying to remember which board it was  on!  It was a fairly large thread, I wish I could remember which board it was, I don't remember the sellers name or it wasn't posted!   I'm sure Gary has the best of intensions as he always does!   I purchased my bus on ebay........and it was a piece of crap but I knew it was, ( a total fabrication on my part it was actually worse than I thought it was).   I've bought  4 or 5 vehicles on ebay, most were as represented, some..........well.......were a total fabrication......but I am a grownup(forget that I own a bus)!   No one holds a gun on me and forces me to buy anything!  If you get taken its no one's fault but your own!   Helping a friend hang on to his cash, ain't bad!    Thanks Gary for reminding us that this can happen!
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 11:29:05 AM »

I bought a bus before & ended up having to buy it again before it left the parking lot. Yes, I got scammed by the first guy. I chose to ignore the red flags & I also chose to help explain away the warnings . . . .

The second guy I paid was able to produce a clear title, so he was the one that mattered.

Yes I paid way more than I wanted to for that bus, but with the help of some very good friends (that I probably don't deserve) I was able to make some lemonade out of all the lemons. . . .

Yes, I was deceived. But, I consented (& even contributed) to the deception. That can happen when you allow yourself to want something too badly & allow a sense of urgency to have excessive influence on your decision.

I've paid lots more to learn lots less. . . .  Shocked

The best thing to come from that deal was finding out that true forgiveness is the best gift you can ever give (& quite possibly, the most selfish) - because you are the one that receives the benefit of peace of mind & the freedom to move on without bitterness.  Cool
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2010, 11:42:14 AM »

Pat, it may be this thread that you recalled.  Gary's post was made in April 2009.

The general theme of "Buyer Beware" is an important one on any purchase, but expecially high dollar ones.  Most sellers are pretty honest I think and it is a shame that the dishonesty of a few taints the image for the rest.  But that is just the way it is.

Beyond the issue of honesty is the issue of bias.  When a selling a bus someone convertered themself, pride biases their perception of its features and condition.  An accute sense of how much time and money went into it tends to bias their assesment of its market value.  In a depressed market, someone selling one they bought already converted is biased by how much they paid for it.  And almost all sellers are biased in how they see their bus by the enjoyment and memories they got from it.

The prudent buyer should always research what similar buses actually sold for recently, weigh that with what they are willing to pay, and inspect it carefully first.  If the buyer is not an experienced bus nut, they should seek one out to help with the inspection.  It is also excellent advice to have a bus mechanic experienced with they type of engine it has take a look at it.

Many of us were blessed with good bus buying experiences without the benefit of professional or at least experienced inspection assistance.  But there are also some out there that weren't so lucky.  So the bottom line for the inexperienced bus buyer is: [Voice=Clint Eastwood] "Do you feel lucky Bus Nut?" [/Voice]
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2010, 11:54:51 AM »

I quit dealing with ebay after I got scammed by a guy, I paid but he didn't ship the item and ebay didn't pursue my complaint so I got the local sheriffs department involved after I located the guy, then ebay got upset cause I got the local sheriffs department in the guys town involved, anyway it was a mess over less than 200 bucks.  It took me almost 6 months to get my money back from paypal after all the grief, ebay did terminate the guys account but I'm sure he just made another and is probably still scamming, the sheriffs department took my complaint but the address turned out to be a parking lot and it didn't reach their level of priority to pursue further.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2010, 11:59:45 AM »

The worst thing you can do when buying from a dealer or someone on EBay if they demand cash, certified check or cashiers check is  to forget it.
When I am buying a bus if the person or dealer will not except my check I walk away you can stop payment on a check but you cannot stop payment on a cashiers or certified check without posting a bond for the checks amount.
A guy back east taught me this and he is still asking people for a cashiers check or a certified check.
A decent seller will take a personal check it only takes a few minutes for one clear now.
It is buyer beware but the seller has rights also.  
I hate it when you agree on a price and the buyer starts picking everything to pieces to try and get a better deal that is when I say forget it and walk away.  



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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2010, 12:14:15 PM »


A decent seller will take a personal check it only takes a few minutes for one clear now.


But keep in mind, a personal or even business check can still charge back days or weeks later, long after the money has already been paid into your account.  BTDT

And if you withdrew the money or spent it already, your own bank will come after you for it and leave it up to you to go after the person that issued you the check.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2010, 12:55:47 PM »

I've heard that postal money orders will provide you with an additional layer of recourse if fraud is involved. Fortunately, I've not had the pleasure of finding out first hand. . . .

However, I do have first hand experience with a bank to bank wire transfer - it is essentially the same thing as handing cash to someone in a parking lot. If fraud is involved, the banks won't do anything to persue justice, & if receiving party doesn't return it, you aren't likely to get it back.

The justice system talks a good game, but the fact is it takes a lot of zeros to the right of the number before the decimal point before it can justify manpower for an investigation.

Also, if you find yourself the victim, you aren't likely get much help from the police. The result of the way the system is set up is to basically place the burden of proof on the victim & provide all benefit of doubt to the con man. You as a victim must also be present every time the case is in court while the thief only has to have his lawyer present. Usually they will ask & get continuances which means another court date. If the victim fails to appear, the thief will be acquitted since there is no witness to testify.

So, you are best served by being cautious up front & as others have said, if something ain't right, walk away.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2010, 01:05:50 PM »


But keep in mind, a personal or even business check can still charge back days or weeks later, long after the money has already been paid into your account.  BTDT

And this is something that is apparently happening more and more as banks take aggressive measures to recover overdrafts that have gone bad. I didn't know until quite recently that it was even possible for cheque payments to be reversed in this way.

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2010, 09:32:53 AM »

As first pointed out the most important thing is to first check things out before handing over ANY large sums of $ in any way of doing so!

Now I personally have bought and sold cars, trucks, buses, and many other things on EBAY! (shoot once I even bought a limo on Ebay from LA sight unseen!)

But anytime I buy ANYTHING on Ebay I check out ALL of the sellers feedback, and if it is a major purchase, I make personal contact with the seller and discuss various things with them before any $ is "sent".
I always leave an out that if it is not what it is supposed to be, that I'll be returning home empty handed, but with my $ in my pocket!

First thing I do is make sure they understand I will have a company check with me at time of pick up. (I make sure they understand I ALWAYS use company checks to pay for anything. If they won't accept it I tell them thank you and have a great day!)
If they agree to my terms, then we proceed and I will bid to  win!
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2010, 11:15:37 AM »

I have purchased a lot of stuff off of eBay.

My rules:

Seller has to have great feedback
(Not foolproof but helps, watch out for someone selling cheap items to bolster up there feedback)

Listing has lots of information on item
(protects me if misrepresented)

Pay by Paypal with a credit card
(My bank has and will protect me in a fraudulent transaction)

Remember, Ebay is only the auction house.  But your relationship with them is more like a newpaper with classified ads, every transaction is at risk.

Don't allow the illusion of safety to lure you in, you are dealing with strangers, they are just the medium that connects you, act accordingly.

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2010, 11:18:44 AM »

I Bought my Prevost from eBay, I think I got a good deal, eBay is a mixed bag at best now a days, Used to be lots of honest people, seems to be less now..Inspect, inspect, inspect.....
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2010, 11:51:28 PM »

**** Now I personally have bought and sold cars, trucks, buses, and many other things on EBAY! ****

The strangest thing I've bought off E*** is my Hovercraft - Not a huge market for them  Grin
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