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« on: May 06, 2009, 01:36:45 PM »

Got a quote on some new tires today. 11R24.5. I need to put two on the front this summer and move the ones that are on there to the tag.

Firestone FS590 Plus - $356 incl FET, $25 mount, $5 liquid balancer (x2 = 822.89 including sales tax, FET, mounting, and liquid balancer).
Note: I put these same tires on the front in 2002, and they were $299 each plus sales tax.

Hankook (unknown model, but similar to the Firestone) - $327 each plus FET, $25 mount, $5 liquid balancer.

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 01:41:38 PM »

I'm waiting for a set of Michelin XZAs (11R x 24.5) to arrive at my local dealer - $615 canuck bux per each.  I've got XZEs on the steers now - they have been on there 5 years now - roughly 100,000 km and show no visible wear.  They will go to the tags and the new ones will go on front.  XZEs & XZAs were the same price so my guy said to go for the XZAs "they're a better tire" - I know nothing so I said "OK".
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 02:27:50 PM »

Bobofthenorth,
I don't know anything either, but I've been told that the XZE is rated for more weight than the XZA but the A will give you a much softer ride. I have the A's on my old girl (NO, not the wife Grin) and I love the ride (biting my tongue) Grin. Not sure how many miles are on them, but the tread never seems to wear down. On my truck the only problem I had with Michelins was side rot. Now I keep my tires covered whenever we sit. There's a crane truck parked in the yard next to me with E's and yeap, they are rated almost 1200 more pounds per tire, if I'm reading them correctly. Hard to tell for sure since the sidewalls are like sandpaper, Will

Correction-I just went out there with a little vege oil and highlighted the side of the tires- mine read 7390 single and the crane which has the 'E''s reads 7390 single on the rears and 6090 on the front. The only difference I can see between the front and rears is the rears has a star after the 'E' and the fronts don't. I think you made a great decision with the 'A's FWIW.

One more note-I'm talking 12-22.5's across the board. Just noted that you run 24.5's
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 03:25:35 PM »

We've got two tire shops in town and I think they're both actually pretty good.  One is run by a grade A prick so I try to avoid dealing there but I think they are still pretty straight shooters.  The other one is run by a young couple and they really go the extra mile to look after us.  I know he's not always the cheapest but I don't mind him making a bit of money as long as I can trust his advice.  When we got to Regina I phoned him because I seriously need to change out my tags.  He's not a Michelin dealer but he got me the Michelins I have on the steers right now - he has somebody he swaps with to get them.  Last spring I put a set of Bridgestones on the drives so I told him when I called that, if he recommended them, I'd put his Bridgestones on the steers as well.  He said "no, I think you should stay with the Michelins".  So that's what we are doing.  We're waiting a couple days extra so that he can get the tires freighted in for free but he would have paid the freight on them if I had pushed him to get out of town earlier.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 03:40:03 PM »

Gumpy, if the Firestones have worked well for you in the past, use them again...but I would stay away from the Hankook if you're only saving $25 or so per tire.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 04:40:36 PM »

The Firestones worked great until I tried to reduce the air pressure according to their table. I had it down to 85 psi and cupped the sides pretty badly, so I'm going to move them to the tags and put the new ones on the front and run the pressure at 100 psi.


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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 04:57:11 PM »

So are you gonna get Firestones again?
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 06:19:39 PM »

A = Long Haul  E = Regional

A strives for better fuel mileage, wear (long haul), and ride. The E is a tougher tire for rougher service. Both use the same casing according to the Michelin Rep. (I am dealing with tires right now and have had a good education on them recently). The E tire is a more versatile tire that is well suited for many types of applications including long haul (Jack of all trades). The A is very purpose built with its tread design and is the best performer in strictly long haul paved environments. You will probably be happy with either one. I am installing E on my steer because I get off pavement into the rough stuff more than I should.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 06:21:38 PM »

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Last spring I put a set of Bridgestones on the drives so I told him when I called that, if he recommended them, I'd put his Bridgestones on the steers as well.  He said "no, I think you should stay with the Michelins".
 

FWIW

Michelin owns Bridgestone and Bridgestone uses Michelin casings. Michelin also owns Firestone.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 06:41:35 PM »

So are you gonna get Firestones again?

I think so. I had really good luck with Firestones on all my vehicles, and but for my stupidity, the steers were running excellent when they were new, even without balancing.


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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 07:32:20 PM »

Michelin owns Bridgestone and Bridgestone uses Michelin casings. Michelin also owns Firestone.

I can find nothing that says Michelin owns Bridgestone.  I even checked Michelin's corporate website.  Bridgestone does own Firestone.

I bouight Firestone FS590 Plus tires in 11R24.5 for $365 each including mounting, tax, and everything in April 2006.  $411 doesn't seem bad considering the price increases in tires in recent years.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 07:40:46 PM »

FWIW

Michelin owns Bridgestone and Bridgestone uses Michelin casings. Michelin also owns Firestone.

No. Sorry. Nope.    Michelin does not own Bridgestone.  Michelin's US HQ is in Greenville, SC (I have been in the building many times.)   Michelin does own BF Goodrich, however.

Bridgestone and Firestone are part of the same corporation.  Their North American HQ is in Nashville, TN.  (Again, been in this building many times)
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 08:28:56 PM »

Michelin is a publicly traded French company.  B.F. Goodrich is a Michelin brand.

Bridgestone is a publicly traded Japanese company.  They also have the Firestone and Dayton brands.

There is no relation between Michelin (and its brands) and Bridgestone (and its brands); in fact, they are major competitors.

It's a stretch, BTW, to say that, for example, Goodrich is made on Michelin "casings" (or vice-versa).  Like most major tire manufacturers, these are enormous multi-national companies, and all of them have plants all over the world, including right here in the U.S.  The only way to know where your tires were made is to decode the DOT code; plant of manufacture is buried in there.

We've been over this ground before, and there is plenty in the archives about it.

Craig -- I would not hesitate to buy either the Firestones or the Hankooks.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 08:37:28 PM »

i got a quote on new mich 11r24.5 at about $650 ea. for 2 put on the steer, then old ones moved to one side of the duals.  totaled to around $1500, tax, title, balance, and changing them out. load range g.   mine mostly look good except the outside pass dual which has age cracks just starting all around, spider cracks, not crevices.  all are dot '02 or '03's, but they look fine to me, except the one dual.

doing the same thing with goodyear steer tires on the front, about $950.  turned the goodyear deal down becuase he tried to give me 06 tires.  the 7 yr warranty works off the date code, not the install date.

this was last month in houston.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 09:05:56 PM »

Must have my "B" brands mixed up. I will be talking with the Michelin rep again soon, so I will get it straight and report what was said.
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2009, 11:48:32 PM »

I just put two 11R-24.5 16 ply BF Goodrich tires (which are made by Michelin) on my truck that were mounted, balanced with lead weight (would never use liquid balancers-but do use Centrimatics) and was $885.00.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2009, 04:35:36 AM »

I just put two 11R-24.5 16 ply BF Goodrich tires (which are made by Michelin) on my truck that were mounted, balanced with lead weight (would never use liquid balancers-but do use Centrimatics) and was $885.00.  Good Luck, TomC

What's your opposition to liquid balancers?

I have Centrimatics on my duals. They don't make one that will work on the steer and tag with the rims I'm using.


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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2009, 10:59:10 PM »

Since the liquid is not contained in a vessel, like the Centrimatics, every time you go over a bump the balancing effort of the liquid is interrupted causing a short imbalance that you can feel until the liquid gets back into its balancing act.  The samething happens if using the powder Equal.  After 1.3 million miles of driving and trying most all the balancing methods, what I've come up with is-when buying a new tire-no matter the position of it, have it spun balanced before mounting on the vehicle, and use Centrimatics.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2009, 11:34:51 PM »

Having them shave up to 1/32 off the tread to get it round is also a real positive move and can yield even higher miles than leaving it alone.  Not sure but I think that running it a few miles to let it "take a set" was also highly recommended prior to shaving and balancing.  We were really anal back then.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 02:12:07 PM »

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Last spring I put a set of Bridgestones on the drives so I told him when I called that, if he recommended them, I'd put his Bridgestones on the steers as well.  He said "no, I think you should stay with the Michelins".
 

FWIW

Michelin owns Bridgestone and Bridgestone uses Michelin casings. Michelin also owns Firestone.

My bad, it is BF Goodrich. And the ones I just got, the casings are made by Michelin.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 06:32:55 PM »

... the ones I just got, the casings are made by Michelin.


Technically, the entire tire is "made by Michelin," since B.F. Goodrich is simply a Michelin brand name.  To know which plant produced the tire, you need to look at the DOT code.  Plants formerly owned by B.F. Goodrich (before the Michelin take-over) now produce tires branded both Michelin and B.F. Goodrich, and existing Michelin plants worldwide also turn out tires under the Goodrich brand.

As with many multi-national corporate buyouts, Michelin have chosen to keep the Goodrich corporate assets, such as HQ, R&D labs, etc., intact and operating under the Goodrich brand and moniker, because (1) consumer perception plays a big role in purchase behavior (many people who have a "buy American" mentality will buy a Goodrich tire but would never buy a "French" tire) and (2) it is easier to sell the brand and/or the corporate assets to another player later if you keep as much separate as possible.

Sometimes companies don't grok this immediately, and pay dearly later.  When British Petroleum (BP) bought out Standard Oil (Amoco, aka Standard Oil of Indiana), they immediately re-branded all Amoco and Standard stations as BP stations, and thus immediately lost market share to other brands perceived to be "U.S." brands (such as Exxon and Chevron).  They corrected for it, only after the damage was done, by hanging signs in former Amoco stations under the BP brand saying "Amoco Fuels."

Never underestimate the market power of a well-established brand name.

In any case, the distinction now is purely artificial -- both Michelin and B.F. Goodrich tires are "made by" Michelin.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 07:37:14 PM »

I found out today that people make a mistake by buying a tire that rated for more capacity than the wheels.
Any of you guys ever checked the maximum weight for your wheels I did  today and was shocked a 7800 lb rated tire on a 7260 max rated Alcoa Wheel at 120 lbs.
I had no idea about the rating on a wheel I found this out from a tire guy where I am buying my 9 inch wide rims for my new Toyos and a safety guy from Con Way Trucking     good luck
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2009, 10:22:41 AM »

I didn't know about the rim weight limits, but I have noticed that my Alcoa's are rated at less PSI than the tires FWIW, Will
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2009, 01:27:41 PM »

Where is the PSI and weight ratings for the rim located?

Thanks,

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2009, 03:23:50 PM »

Hi John,
My rims are stamped right in the metal with a maximum PSI rating AND Lo and Behold---a weight rating also!! My Bad. The tires are rated at 7390 and the rims are only rated 6710--go figure Huh Anyway, the date of mfg and s/n are all located right next to the fancy black and blue label. Can't miss it. Hope this helps, Will
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