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« on: August 18, 2009, 06:27:32 AM »

Hello Bus Yodas. I have been thinking about hauling a car in the bay of our 102a3. what is out there, old/new? Cost? And what has to be done to the bay area? Pics would help. Thank you, M&C Grin
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 06:50:53 AM »

I can't think of a current type car that would fit, or that could be made to fit.  I think even a Messerschmitt KR200 would be too big, 111 inches long and 47 inches tall.  Original Austin Mini would be too long and too tall even if you took the roof off.  Some golf karts might fit, but I would question if they are cars.  Even motorcycles are too tall to fit in.  I'll be interested to see what others come up with!

If you opened up the wall between two bays, you could think about storing one lengthwise rather than cross-wise, but I would think that the bulkhead between bays is structural to at least some extent, it will contribute a lot to twist strength of the bus.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 06:52:17 AM »

Maybe a convertible "Smart Car"?

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 07:19:55 AM »

So Bryce, are you saying that the Setra will take a car or  motorcycle in the bay? (Noticed I didn't use the Nissan word)
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 07:36:15 AM »


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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 07:42:05 AM »

So Bryce, are you saying that the Setra will take a car or  motorcycle in the bay? (Noticed I didn't use the Nissan word)

Yes a Setra has TALL bays! And the Setra is built with a frame work structure which adds strength and would support the weight. Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 07:45:11 AM »

The only one I have seen pictures of is a Mini that was chopped and shortened.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 07:53:09 AM »

The first week on the road we met a guy with a Buffalo that had an old Honda 600 that he had cut the top off of and shortened,  and an atv  in his bays.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 08:21:27 AM »

Hi all! Gary over @ BB Coach was at one time chopping some import car to fit in some coaches ,still has the makings for a couple of them in storage out back,as well as some other nifty items .(702)873-4415
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 08:24:00 AM »

A little off topic-but this is the main reason I am using a truck-I have a 14ft garage in the back with the separate bedroom overhead that has 5ft headroom.  I'm discovering that buses are not the end all for conversion.  With the ease of maintenance at any truck facility, making the conversion box such that I could lift it onto another truck in the future, plus changing engines just involves tilting the cab and the engine/transmission is fully exposed.  Course it isn't perfect-you have to climb up from the outside or slide down from the inside into the driver's seat, and the pass through from the cab to the back is a bend down situation.  I have yet to see the perfect RV made.  It's all what you want.  Good Luck TomC
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 08:33:21 AM »

A G-Wizz might make the ideal modern bay car. I've just looked up the specs if you want to compare it to the size of your bay:

Dimensions: L 2.6m, W 1.3m, H 1.6m. Ground clearance 150mm. Wheel base 1.7m.

There's enough of them around to be available fairly cheaply second-hand I'd have thought.





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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 08:40:52 AM »

Jeremy-that's great in the isles, but us Yanks can't get that car over hear.  The dimensions translates to 102.36" long x 51.19"w x 63"h with 5.9" of ground clearance.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 09:59:54 AM »

here's how one person did it: 

http://gmbusguy.com/gallery/index.php?cat=48
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »

http://www.gekgo.com/scooter_coupe_gas_scooter_trikes.html
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 01:27:29 PM »

I have one left over from my Eagle (and spares) It is a Honda 600 cut down. 51" wide X 31" tall X a little less than 8' Runs great! For sale or trade.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 05:09:25 PM »

When we got our bus, it had an EZ-Go electric golf car in the bay.  The car had been fitted with headlights, turn indicators, brake, and running lights, and had a California license plate as a street-legal vehicle.  In order to make it fit, the steering wheel was cut off at the top, making it look somewhat like an airplane yoke, and they had fitted a wired remote control to work the motors, so that the car could load and unload using its own power (no room to sit in the car while loading and unloading.

We have since converted the bay over for motorcycle use.  We formerly had two full-size sport "standards" in there -- Suzuki SV-650's, along with a pair of bicycles (see http://odyssey.smugmug.com/gallery/173090_aFeSV#6514003_H6Wz5). We have since downsized to 150cc step-through scooters, which have proven more useful for the kind of riding around that we do.

Of course, we have a Neoplan, with 43" clear height in the bays, and more like 45" on either side of the central frame members.  Bryce's Setras have similar height, as well as the Van Hools.  I once saw a SceniCruiser with a Harley in one bay, as well.

When it comes to actual cars, however, it becomes more difficult.  Many have seen the cut-down Honda 600s that some Buffalo and Eagle buses have been carrying.  I would not drive one of those above about 30mph -- cutting that much length out of the wheelbase made them incredibly unstable at higher speeds.  Remember, too, that cutting the roof off a unibody will likely require substantial reinforcement elsewhere.

With regard to production automobiles legally available in the US, even the shortest model of SmartCar is just a tad too long to fit in a bay, even if you could deal with the height issues.  Many HDT-types, though, have modified their haulers to carry one just behind the cab and ahead of the hitch.  It you have a 40' coach, you might conceivably build a platform on the back to carry one the same way, although you'd have quite the engineering challenge to cantilever all that weight behind the coach.

I would suggest with your 102A3 that the best you will be able to do is either a heavily modified golf cart, an ATV, or a pair of small step-through scooters.  Remember, if you have gas-powered vehicles in a bay, you are subject to a whole raft of ventilation requirements, signage, and separation requirements as detailed in ANSI/NFPA 1192.  We had to put substantial ventilation slots in the floor of our motorcycle bay to vent the gasoline fumes.

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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2009, 05:46:21 PM »

Ford GT-40? Kinda spendy...
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 09:04:55 AM »

Great info, Do you have any pics of the "Honda 600 cut down" and others? M&C
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 10:07:43 AM »

Any of the Matchbox cars, and most of the Corgis.   Grin

You're not going to find anything that is street legal and will fit under the tunnel, unless you take it off the wheels.  However, there are hitches available for the A3s (both 96 and 102), so you can handle a toad or with a toy hauler.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 10:10:37 AM »

When we got our bus, it had an EZ-Go electric golf car in the bay.  The car had been fitted with headlights, turn indicators, brake, and running lights, and had a California license plate as a street-legal vehicle.  In order to make it fit, the steering wheel was cut off at the top

. . .which makes it no longer street-legal . . .taking it off and remounting it would work, though.  I just don't consider golf carts a street vehicle, except in some old-folks colony.

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 10:26:51 AM »

In Michigan golf carts can be concidered street legal if they met the criteria, headlights, turnsignals, brake lights and tail lights are the minimum for being concidered street legal, keep in mind that street legal doesn't always mean road legal, a golf cart would not be concidered legal fare on many highways but would be more in the commuter class for innercity use.  I've been seeing more and more golf carts being used for store runs and have concidered using ours for that too. Each locale seem to have different rules and regulations tho and it requires some research to find out what is needed in your particular area but I know with our golf cart, a five gallon can of gas is almost a summers use lol.
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...  In order to make it fit, the steering wheel was cut off at the top


. . .which makes it no longer street-legal . . .taking it off and remounting it would work, though. 



Please cite the specific section of the California Vehicle Code (where the car was registered) on which this statement is based.

AFAIK, the cart was registered after all modifications were completed, although I can't swear to that, as it came to me that way.  I can find nothing in the code that says the steering wheel must be a complete circle.

Note that there are specific rules for street-legal golf-type carts (for example, they may not be driven on "freeways" as that term is defined in the CVC).

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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 01:09:32 PM »

Lots of four-wheeled vehicles can be made street legal without having to comply with the rules which apply to 'cars'. Quad bikes, mobility scooters and (probably) golf carts would be covered under quadricycle rules, as indeed does the G-Wizz that I suggested earlier.

Which isn't to say it's a good idea to drive such things on the road. Earlier this year I got the fright of my life when I rounded a corner at 60mph+ to find a quad bike sitting stationary in the middle of the road, waiting to turn right. If it had been a car I'd have seen it much earlier. If it had been a bike I could have passed it without problem. As it was I was very thankful for the ABS.

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 07:31:54 AM »

Lots of four-wheeled vehicles can be made street legal without having to comply with the rules which apply to 'cars'. Quad bikes, mobility scooters and (probably) golf carts would be covered under quadricycle rules, as indeed does the G-Wizz that I suggested earlier.

Which isn't to say it's a good idea to drive such things on the road. Earlier this year I got the fright of my life when I rounded a corner at 60mph+ to find a quad bike sitting stationary in the middle of the road, waiting to turn right. If it had been a car I'd have seen it much earlier. If it had been a bike I could have passed it without problem. As it was I was very thankful for the ABS.

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Are any of these able to fit in the bay without mods to them?

And we are seeking vics/cars that will fit in the bay and hopfully some pictures in and out of the bay. Thanks M&C
How about that mod. 600 Honda? PIC?
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 07:40:03 AM »

I just Googled "baggage bay car" and this was one of the first results. I expect there are lots more out there if you search for them.


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...  In order to make it fit, the steering wheel was cut off at the top

. . .which makes it no longer street-legal . . .taking it off and remounting it would work, though. 


Please cite the specific section of the California Vehicle Code (where the car was registered) on which this statement is based.

I can't -- but the CHP trooper who wrote me the ticket for my "modified" steering wheel sure as heck did!

It was listed as "Unsafe Equipment" -- the judge explained that it made it impossible to use the (state-mandated) 10-and-2 and hand-over-hand steering methods.
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2009, 09:11:19 PM »

OK, I googled this and didn't get anywhere. Huh Or nothing new that is. Anyone have tip for this one? Thanks, M&C
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 05:13:51 AM »

Instead of cutting the wheel, just make it so you can easily take it off of the column. That is what the guy that had the Honda 600 that i saw did.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 05:18:38 AM »

M&C,

I really don't think that you all would like a bay car. If you want something light, tow something light. However, a small bay car would, for us anyways, be extremely unpractical.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2009, 07:03:34 AM »

We still have this car, haven't used it in a long time.  Had lots of fun with it for years, you get to meet everyone in the campground.  The car will run about 70 miles, if you have the guts to stay with it.  Made a good city car at 35 to 40 miles per hr.  I didn't build the car, it is a 1968 Honda 600 built to go in a 4104.  I am the third owner and it is ready for the fourth one now.
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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2009, 07:10:43 AM »

The benefit of a bay car is that you can then tow something much more interesting, like a boat.

Unfortunately I can't have one myself as my bus is mid-engined, so the middle bays don't do all the way across. The rear bay is probably large enough, but it's in the wrong orientation

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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2009, 07:21:16 AM »

As a Mason & a Shriner, We use to drive a 67 Deuce&1/2 in the parades. Now we are looking for something else. A bay car can do 2 things for us. I don't think I would ever take one out on the open road, but would be useful in a resort. M&C
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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2009, 01:41:30 PM »

If you want a real car in the bay than this German company, Voljers-mobil has a good idea. Drive the car onto a lift tha raises up into the bay. The ads say a BMW or Mini can fit.
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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2009, 02:32:34 PM »

Don't waste precious bay space on transportation. Just set your bus up to tow and get a vehicle that you can tow 4-down. I tow Ford Explorers. Have 2 now that we tow. Had one before these. Love it. With the electronic neutral transfer switch installed by the dealer, I can hook up and go within 5 minutes. Unhooking is even quicker.  I can put stuff in the Explorer, too, if I need more storage space.

I'll probably get a 4x4 Ford Ranger for the next vehicle, as it has the electronic neutral transfer switch option, too. Then I can put my motorcycle in the back if I want, or a chest freezer when I go back to AK. I'm considering building a new front bumper on the bus that I can load my motorcycle onto.

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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2009, 08:21:01 PM »

I'm considering building a new front bumper on the bus that I can load my motorcycle onto.
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I saw one of these at a little place here that does not carry them any more, thee floor board folds up and the chassis telescopes to make it shorter along with the steering wheel folding down.  this is the best picture i could find but there is not a lot of info



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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 01:16:01 AM »

Designers have played with the idea of a 'telescoping' car for decades. Most of them don't get past the drawing board, but below is a working example I have seen featured on TV:





It would be fun to build something similar for a bus, but a huge project

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 10:10:14 AM »

Don't waste precious bay space on transportation. Just set your bus up to tow and get a vehicle that you can tow 4-down. ...... I can hook up and go within 5 minutes. Unhooking is even quicker.  I can put stuff in the Explorer, too, if I need more storage space.

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