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« on: August 21, 2009, 12:50:55 AM »

Well I am still trying to get this bus to pass the state inspection.  I needed to replace some of the clerance lights as they were burnt out.  I started taking the cover off the 2nd one and the screws both broke off with the first try.  I got decided to replace them but to I found that they were not some thing ZI cold get at the local auto - truck parts house.  When the person put the caps on this bus they went with MCI lights in stead of the ones that you can get aat the parts house.

Why would any body go with MCI lights for $31.00 each (plus   MCI wants $30 for ground shipping) when you can get good lights at the parts house for $6.00 each when you need them?  Is it a mater of looks or just some thing they did not think of?  Any body got any ideas?

$60.00 for a one bulb clearence light is on the high side in my books, when I can go with the led tiger eyes with 10 leds for $8.00 each.

Just the thoughs of a poor boy trying to make it work.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 02:49:49 AM »

I can't answer why someone used MCI parts, but you can avoid shipping charges with MCI by using their online parts store.  Anyone can sign up for an account.  In the past I have called for the part number and then ordered the part online to avoid the extra charges,

(This policy may have changed since the MCI bankruptcy.  I haven't ordered anything in some time.)
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 03:28:39 AM »



LEDs weren't always cheap, so maybe that wasn't an option then,  also be sure the screw holes and the and size match up.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 05:24:02 AM »

All vehicle manufacturers do not make the marker assy to keep production cost at the lowest. So it become the middle-man and has to charge the added profit & handling for those who would want to save time searching for the OEM version. And they (MCI) have pay nearly or the same as we do because of much lower volume buying as cars manufacturers do.

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Truck-Lite, Marker & Clearance bulb & LED

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BTW…suggestion is to get the smooth taper version to avoid tree-branches breaking the len off.

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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 05:39:19 AM »

Bob,
FYI if you look those MCI lights have an SAE & DOT # and can be bought thru NAPA! Also if you spend more than $100.00 @ MCI shipping is free! (It has been for yrs! And according to Belfert it also is if ya buy online, I wouldn't know as we never spend less than $100.00 {as a matter of fact I didn't realize you could buy from MCI for less than $100! or any other bus manufacture for that matter!)
Now lastly is yer bus 12 or 24 Volt ?
I can get exact replacement MCI style LEDs from Setra for $25 ea!
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 05:49:17 AM »

Bob, remember too that there's an MCI service center in Dallas.  Essentially I-35E & Northwest Highway.  They stock parts. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 08:53:18 AM »

For clearance lights, you can use ANY DOT-approved light.  They will get you past the inspection and until you find someone with some used ones.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 09:36:11 AM »

Change the bulb, ops check then put the lens back on with a dab of silicone till you can get it sorted out.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 10:58:19 AM »

I did not look for them at NAPA.  I looked at fleet pride and he told me he could not get them they were a dealer item.

I am going to try to drill the broken off screws out and then try to replace them if that does not work I will silicone it back on.

I just don't understand why they did not use a standard light when they put the caps on.  That is unless they bought the caps from MCI and they came with the lights in them.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 11:48:22 AM »

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I just don't understand why they did not use a standard light when they put the caps on.  That is unless they bought the caps from MCI and they came with the lights in them.

Bob

or could it be that they were used MCI caps, and already had the lights on them. Or it could be that back then those were the standard lights! FWIW Setra's S215 & S217 models use the same light!

I have been converting all our to the LED lights slowly (1 bus @ a time) due to the cost.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 01:00:37 PM »

I went to NAPa and they could not get them either.

I tried to drill out the screw that was broken off in the base and the nut came out of the plastic so I went and got new nuts and I think I can make it work this way.

I like the led lights but they do cost a little more than normal.

all the lights that I put on the E-350 school bus I am making a handicap bus out of are going to be LED.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 04:48:18 PM »

A number of years (12?) ago I bought MCI clearance lights from Mohawk Mfg., 800-323-7652.  At that time, they were about $12.

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 05:12:41 PM »

Napa is not always the best source of parts.  There are three or four manufacturers making the light I needed and Napa couldn't get it without a huge shipping and handling charge.  I ended up ordering two of them online and the shipping cost as much as the lights.  (Local truck parts place had Grote, but not the light I needed.)

Optronics, Grote, Truck-Lite, and Peterson all have websites with PDF catalogs and there is a good chance that one of them will have the light unless the light is really old or custom.

I have at least one light on my bus that is metric sized made in Brazil.  MCI wanted $40 or $50 for a new incandescent one and I found a LED version that is close enough for maybe $20 each.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 05:18:44 PM »

I have not found the MCI catalog on line does any body have the url?
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 05:32:10 PM »

I have not found the MCI catalog on line does any body have the url?


Bob MCI doesn't  have a online catalog. They have a online parts dept. but you have to either have yer part # or be pretty savy at using their search feature to find what ya want! I almost always end up calling them and giving them a description of what I need and get #'s from them to order online, or I just tell them to ship it! (skipping the online frustration thing since I almost always spend more than $100 anyway! (like today when I ordered 2 Dina airbags @ $161 each!)
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2009, 05:54:58 PM »

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I always call them at MCI and when I tell them my bus model number I always get transfered to some guy in a musty old library smoking a pipe and sitting in front of 100 year old roll top desk ( at least thats the image I conjer up). They love talking old buses and are very helpful when it comes to finding P/N's delivery the parts is another story but they are fun to chat with.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 06:14:15 PM »

I have not found the MCI catalog on line does any body have the url?

There is a link on their website (mcicoach.com), but like BK said, you pretty much need the part number first.  I get the part numbers from my Dina parts book when I can figure out where to find the part in the book or I just call for the part number.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2009, 12:04:08 AM »

many thanks

I hope I don't have to get any thing else from them as I do't fave a vin number of much more to go by on my bus.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2009, 04:17:33 AM »

I got some 24 volt MCI lights from Luke at US coach he has them in stock.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2009, 05:02:19 AM »

I hope I don't have to get any thing else from them as I do't fave a vin number of much more to go by on my bus.

They usually do like the last five of your vin. It lets them know exactly what you have.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2009, 05:17:53 AM »

Bob,
Try JD @ C & J Bus Repair 1-800-228-7349 he'll have what ya need and it'll be cheaper too! Oh yeah they do have an online catalog too.

I don't have the website url handy but just google them it's there!

C & J Bus Repair
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Bloomington, MN 55420
1-800-228-7349

And actually the guy in parts can do as much fer ya as JD. But when it comes to advice on buses JD can be a great asset!
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2009, 09:12:30 AM »

Bob, is a 30-40 mile drive to the MCI service center in Dallas starting to look like an option (of course, bringing the sample part with you)?  If you decide to do that, contact me - maybe we can grab lunch.  I'm only about 12 miles away from there, and there are a bunch of restaurants. 

I also may have missed something here -- what convinced you that they were originally MCI parts (as opposed to Eagle, something else)? 

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2009, 09:19:19 AM »

Arthur,
I'm guessing and this is only an educated guess! That he has found the MCI part # on it! FWIW
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »

Bob, is a 30-40 mile drive to the MCI service center in Dallas starting to look like an option (of course, bringing the sample part with you)?  If you decide to do that, contact me - maybe we can grab lunch.  I'm only about 12 miles away from there, and there are a bunch of restaurants. 

I also may have missed something here -- what convinced you that they were originally MCI parts (as opposed to Eagle, something else)? 

Arthur

I found the MCI part number on it.

I have not had the time to drive over there so I tried to drill the broken bolts out and the nuts came out of the plastic so I bought new bolts and nuts and I am going to go back with them.  I took the soirdering iron and melted the plastic back around the new nuts and it looks like it might work as good as the new one would have.

I don't think the vin number would help as my bus is a 1968 GM in the first place.  I assume the person that put the caps on both ends got them from MCI sine they are the supplyer of the lights that are in them.

Arthur I have not gotten it inspected yet I have had some other things come up the bus is setting at Cowser Tire on the south side of loop 820 by the freightliner house (Between Mark 4 parkway and Bluemound Rd.) you can see it from the freeway if you are over this way.  That is only about 2 miles from the house and the city is giving me a hard time until I can get it inspected and then I can bring it back home.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2009, 10:56:20 AM »

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I don't think the vin number would help as my bus is a 1968 GM in the first place.  I assume the person that put the caps on both ends got them from MCI sine they are the supplyer of the lights that are in them.

That makes sense. I didn't notice that you had a GM (before it was government motors).

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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2009, 11:30:28 AM »

To All,

As a recent purchaser of lots of MCI parts, the online parts store (as MCI calls it) now requires an account with MCI.  And of course, it requires log on name and password.  But I have found it is not well maintained.  About 50% of the items I have purchased in the last 7 weeks from MCI (via telephone order), are listed as not available in the online store.  It may have been accurate in years past, but since their Chapter 11 the online store is way out of date on many items.  I have noticed they DO keep their newer bus parts and numbers up to par.  OK if you have a J or G series bus.  Use the 800 number in Kentucky.  Again, I'm on the road and don't have the number with me.  By the way, you need an account number with MCI to order on the phone also.

Shop around.  I just replaced my bags.  MCI wanted $165. each, and of course they were out of stock.  I called Mohawk.  They had all in stock for $106. ea.  And they are the same Goodyears MCI sells.  Saved substantial money getting shocks from them also.

But MCI is not always to the most expensive.  I purchased clearance light from them 5 years ago for about $13.00 each.  The kind with the bulb.  I recently check and the price was the same while researching converting to LED clearance lights.  Currently a single LED clearance light is $52.00, but if you buy the kit all 16 LED lights, the individual price is about half that.  Obviously, that only good for someone (like me) who is dumping all incandescent lights except head lights.

Chuck

PS: Dialight is selling a "MCI replacement LED clearance light" for about $20.00, but beware it is not a direct replacement and requires modification to make it fit properly and not leak.  MCI's version are direct replacements.
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2009, 12:30:26 PM »

I believe MCI automatically sets up a customer account for you when you place an order.  I've found for my Dina that the online parts store is pretty up to date.  A lot of the items show not available and when I call the parts line they verify no longer available.

MCI has been nice enough to give me the manufacturer and part number when possible if it isn't a Brazilian or Mexican part and not custom to the Dina.
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2009, 09:16:17 PM »

Bob,

I was just on the Mohawk site and I found buried deep the fact they sell MCI clearance lights with bulb.  And at the lowest price I have seen anywhere.  7R-7-80 (red) is $3.27.  The 7R-7-79 (amber) is $3.16.  I've seen the bulbs alone go for that much and this is for the entire fixture.

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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 07:15:32 AM »

I will have to look up the (Mohawk) and see if I can get aonther 1 or 2  I have some that are getting hard to get the screws out of.

For the cost that MCI told me I took the old one to the shop and was suprised how easy the nust came out when I tried to remove them and I was able to replace the nuts and I think they will work just fine.

The light mounts with 4 screws and the nut in the back of the light will be heald in place by the body of the bus when it is mounted.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2009, 08:09:53 AM »

Shoot Bob @ that price I'd call Mohawk Monday AM & order all reds and 9 ambers and be done with it! I can assure you that on a bus used as an RV you'll most likely never have to replace them again!
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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2009, 09:45:12 AM »

Are those, from Mohawk, the LED ones? If so, and if they are the right style, we might have to order too.

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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2009, 11:01:55 AM »

Are those, from Mohawk, the LED ones? If so, and if they are the right style, we might have to order too.
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John those would be the regular incandescent style!


Shoot if it was LEDs I'd buy all of them in stock and resell them @ $9.99 each, make a profit and a lot of friends too!
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2009, 12:30:15 PM »

John those would be the regular incandescent style!

Bummer! That is what I figured.

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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2009, 01:10:40 PM »

I am in a similar situation.   Can direct replacement lights be purchased in LED?  Also, do you need to convert all to LED or can you do them one at a time?  My lights are 24 volt also, are LEDs available in 24 volt?

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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2009, 01:48:53 PM »

thanks I found it.

https://www.mohawkmfg.com/shop/part/25245/

And if is a good price like was said.  I will have to order some tomarrow.
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2009, 07:29:39 AM »

I am in a similar situation.   Can direct replacement lights be purchased in LED?  Also, do you need to convert all to LED or can you do them one at a time?  My lights are 24 volt also, are LEDs available in 24 volt?

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin I get the 24V LEDs from SETRA  @ $25 ea. A little pricey but worth it in my opinion!
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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »

thanks I found it.

https://www.mohawkmfg.com/shop/part/25245/

And if is a good price like was said.  I will have to order some tomarrow.

That Mohawk part looks like the lense only.  You'll need a different part number for the entire assembly I am guessing. 

Lenses are usually marked with the part number for just the lense and not the whole assembly. 
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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2009, 09:00:10 AM »

I talked to Otto at Mohawk this morning.  They have whole assemblies in stock for $12 in both red and amber.  I gave him the lens number and he checked for the whole assembly as I needed two of those asap.

Busted Knuckle:  Thanks!  I will start purchasing those for replacements.  Can I do them one at a time or do I need to buy all of them for the system?


Regards,

Kevin
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2009, 09:53:06 AM »

Quote from: kwood
I talked to Otto at Mohawk this morning.  They have whole assemblies in stock for $12 in both red and amber.  I gave him the lens number and he checked for the whole assembly as I needed two of those asap.

Busted Knuckle:  Thanks!  I will start purchasing those for replacements.  Can I do them one at a time or do I need to buy all of them for the system?
Regards,
Kevin

One at a time is fine! But just remember that if you order 4 @ a time you won't have to pay shipping! (anything over $100 is free shipping!)
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