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« on: September 15, 2009, 09:59:08 AM »

Does anyone have any info on this style mirrors. We need to purchase some for the conversion we are doing on our Dina. I know they arent cheap, but, good mirrors are important. Does anyone else have these and if so, where did you purchase them, and what was the price?
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 11:44:35 AM »

Ruthi, your school bus manufactures like Blue Bird and others have the best price.
Volvo,Van Hool and Setra are very expensive for that type mirror.
Rosco is the manufacture 1-800-227-2095 and I was told they will sell direct to the public but I never bought direct. 



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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 12:01:52 PM »

Try Ebay and type in Velvac on the search. I bought 2 new black Velvac mirrors heated, motorized and have turn signals on the arm for $248 for the pair plus shipping. Normal cost through Velvac would be $480 each plus shipping. There are some great buys on Ebay. I missed out on some chrome ones that went for $430 for the pair, I stopped my bidding at $420.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 12:48:28 PM »

Thanks, I will try, and see what I can find out.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 12:54:12 PM »

Ruthi, I don't think Ramco and Velvac make the roof mounted mirrors Rosco was the only manufacture I found when looking for a replacement you can buy with heat and remote also (big bucks) 

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 01:06:17 PM »

You are right. I was just looking at that. Lucinex sells them, or did. But they got them from Belgium, and now they are coming up with their own design. We also talked to someone who thinks they might have the mounting brackets for the original Dina, and then we could get the mirrors we would want to put on them.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 01:10:07 PM »

I have the curb side mirror bracket for a Dina if that will help.  I do not have the mirror itself, but you can get that from Lucerix.

I have a euro type mirror on my Dina on the curb side and it sucks.  It doesn't stick out far enough.  It works, but barely.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 01:54:05 PM »

Thanks Brian, we will keep that in mind, havent quiet decided which way we are going to go yet. What kind of mirrors did you end up with?
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 02:39:46 PM »

The mirrors I got are from some European company.  I don't recall the name right now.  I got them from Ron the Busnut so presumably they were for an RV or something on a Spartan chassis.

I only installed the new mirror on the curb side.  The driver's side is still the original.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 02:44:47 PM »

 hi if you can post a picture i might be able to help john
 as there is a place near me that makes them
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 03:33:17 PM »

Try:

http://www.arcol.es/

and click on "Retrovisores"

They are made in Spain and they are beautiful!!

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 03:57:59 PM »

Ruthi, if you like the Arcol as posted by Dan C they can be ordered from Volvo or Scania they look better than they are. 2800.00 bucks a set with the arms plus shipping.
Check your local truck wrecking yard some trucks use the roof mounted mirrors you may need to modify the arms but most were heated and remote controlled



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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 04:22:52 PM »

  hi if the ones you are looking for are the kind that come off the roof line
  and then hang down yes they are expensive thats why a small shop hear
  made molds and makes them out of heavy fiberglass if i remember they
  used to sell for $ 400 for the pair if you want i can go by next week and
  check for you and snap a picture  john
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 04:39:30 PM »

Thanks for that Arcol link - turns out they list the mirrors fitted to my bus. This is handy as I want to buy a new one in due course. My bus has 'rabbit ear' mirrors on both sides (what I think everyone is referring to a 'Euro style'), but for some reason the arm on the drivers side mirror is much shorter than on the passenger side. I'm sure this is because the driver's side simply doesn't require the long arm, but having non-matching mirrors looks a bit odd, so I had in mind to buy another of the 'long arm' type at some stage.

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 05:29:24 PM »

OK, what is a Euro type mirror??
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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 07:18:35 PM »

Euro mirrors hang down rather than attach on the sides.
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2009, 07:20:40 PM »

John, a picture and more info would be great, thanks
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2009, 07:27:22 PM »

Dan, yes that is the kind of mirrors we have been looking at, but, cant speak the language, so it is hard to get info,lol. I will see if i can find info as to where to look at volvo for them.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2009, 08:02:29 PM »

Hang down from what?

My 4104 left side mirror hangs down from the top upper corner near the windshield. Does this qualify for euro-mirror status?
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 08:34:24 PM »

Ruthi, Prevost sell the parts for Volvo I think the Volvo 9700 mirrors will work for you but I am not up on where Dina mount their mirrors MCI may be your best bet to save a lot of fab work   



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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2009, 06:02:55 AM »

The mounting points for mirrors on the Dina are on the sides as far forward as possible just behind the front pillar.  The mirror mounts are far different than most buses.  The mirrors are much more functional than good looking.  No nice polished mirrors on a Dina.

On the curb side it is very difficult to install a roof mount mirror as there is no place to mount it unless the OEM door is replaced.  The OEM door goes basically all the way to the roof line.  There is only a two or three inch pillar between the door and the windshield.  I installed a roof mount type mirror after I installed a new door, but it doesn't work all that well.  A Dina curves way back in the front for a European style look, but it makes a roof mount mirror hard to do.
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 06:18:38 AM »

The mirrors on mine, and I think most coaches, do mount directly to that 2-3" wide windscreen pillar. It's a strong area of the structure that all buses have, so no reason to complicate things I'd have thought.

Mind you, there are always alternative ways of doing it:




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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 06:22:52 AM »

The mirrors on mine, and I think most coaches, do mount directly to that 2-3" wide windscreen pillar. It's a strong area of the structure that all buses have, so no reason to complicate things I'd have thought.

The original mirrors are mounted on the windshield pillar.  The problem is the pillar is at an angle and most replacement mirrors expect to bo mounted vertically and the pillar isn't wide enough for that.
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 06:54:55 AM »

We raised the roof on ours 10 inches, so, I dont think space will be a problem. The mirrors on our gmc mount on the side, and we have bumped our heads a few times. Also, as some of you know, we work out of ours, and we will prob. retire with the new one. So, we want the mirrors to be in the best spot, and it is a plus if they look nice too. Grin
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 07:00:15 AM »

We raised the roof on ours 10 inches, so, I dont think space will be a problem. The mirrors on our gmc mount on the side, and we have bumped our heads a few times. Also, as some of you know, we work out of ours, and we will prob. retire with the new one. So, we want the mirrors to be in the best spot, and it is a plus if they look nice too. Grin

My understanding is you didn't raise the front so that won't help the mirror issue.  Didn't you start the raise behind the driver's area so the bus kinda looks like a 4905 now?
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 07:57:26 AM »

Ruthi, the 9700 Volvo has mirrors mounted on the pillars of the windshield take a look at BCI Falcon also they may work for you as they have a side mount


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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 01:48:40 PM »

It is fiberglassed on a slope, so it doesnt look like a buffalo. Thanks to all of you for your help. We will let you know which way we go.
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 04:27:58 PM »

I didn't mean it looked exactly like a Buffalo, but it is similiar in that it isn't raised at the front.  Your roof raise probably won't help with mirrors since the roof is not raised all the way to the front.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2009, 10:30:18 AM »

 hi ruthi  went by the shop that made them no longer there
 but just saw these on e bay no reserve brand new $ 199  # 200390225351
 euro bus mirrors good luck hope this helps john
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2009, 11:49:42 AM »

Does anyone have any info on this style mirrors. We need to purchase some for the conversion we are doing on our Dina. I know they arent cheap, but, good mirrors are important. Does anyone else have these and if so, where did you purchase them, and what was the price?

If you mean the ones that are mounted near the roofline, I would note that the coaches that they are mounted on were designed for that type of mirror, with hardpoints on the pillars where they mount.

If your coach doesn't have these hardpoints, I would stay with the ones which are mounted in the normal position.  There is a lot of energy transmitted to and from the coach and mirrors, due to their weight and the fact that they are cantilevered out from the mounts -- every vibration, bump and gust of wind stresses the system.  Kludging a pillar mount can be done, but I would expect windshield leaks at the least, with the possibility of actually cracking the windshields.

This is why only a few coach models use them, while everyone else stays with the low-mounts.

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2009, 06:43:27 PM »

It's the one that makes buses look like caterpillars! Wink

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2009, 06:01:15 AM »

FWIW our 2005 Setra's have them & I think they SUCK! It took me a while to like the look, but they are very hard to see from!

I had the "optional" lower mirrors that ours din't come with installed and ALL of our drivers thanked me for them! (not cheap, but we can see now!)
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