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« on: October 15, 2009, 06:49:45 PM »

I guess I will just introduce myself.  My name is Wayne and I live west of Houston by about 50 miles.  My wife and I just bit off on a 1984 Silver Eagle which has already been converted.  We consider it phase 1 on the road to retirement.  I know nothing about them but I learn fast.   Shocked I learned it will not turn from a black top road into a 20 foot culvert driveway.  Yes!  I learned the hard way.  2.5 hours with 30 ton house jacks and a lot of sweat to get it out.  Well now that the county has installed a new 40 foot culvert we are ready for the road.  I am on call this weekend or else I would be piled up right in the middle of the round up in north Texas.  I have a lot of questions and things to tinker around with so get ready folks.  I will post some pics of it tomorrow because the internet connection is just too slow here.   Grin
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 06:52:46 PM »

welcome to the madness

we look forward to any and all your postings

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 07:34:37 PM »

Welcome Wayne , to the wonderful world of Bus ownership these guys are great here with alot of great info . If you haven't already done so check out Eagles Internationl web site a great bunch of guys and gals there as well . Good Luck and welcome .


























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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 08:29:01 PM »

Welcome to the board, Wayne.  I have a daughter in Dickinson, TX.   Hoping to get down your way in March, if all goes well.  I bought a previously converted MC9 about a year and a half ago.  Would never have taken the plunge if it hadn't been for this bunch of nuts.  I owe these guys a lot, and one of these days I'm gonna get 'em back! LOL  Just kiddin'
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 04:27:11 AM »

Welcome.....Life is good.....retirement is good......Busses are good.... last of all ask questions and don't think they are dumb..lots have been there and done that and made the same mistakes. Huh
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 04:31:50 AM »

Well thank you all for the warm welcome.  I will post one pic of the new bus then go over later to the "Post your pics thread".  Of course the only picture I have is the one my wife took.  she has a sense of humor and took pictures of the bus with the right rear tag axle and drive axle buried to the frame.  Gotta love a wife with a grand sense of humor.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 04:36:43 AM »

Alright I will test yalls sense of welcome and fire off the first question.  In the photo above and behind the front left wheel are two lights.  One is a marker and the other a signal light.  The signal ligt is the lower of the two and it is in good shape and functioning.  The top one is not working so I took it apart to have a look and found the guts in it are not salvageable.  The insides has rusted away.  I have looked on the internet and keep getting Chinese companies and I don't want to order there.  Where pray tell is a good link to an American company that I can speak to on the telephone and order good parts?
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 04:46:44 AM »

Wayne,

Welcome aboard, and welcome to the madness. Looks like you did get yourself pretty stuck. Glad you were able to get outa that spot.

I will let somebody else answer about the lights. They are more knowledgeable, about Eagles, then I am.

God bless,

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 11:18:51 AM »

Auto Wheel and Rim in your area usually has a vast selection of lights in 24 and 12 volt..
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 01:01:01 PM »

Welcome to the the best life experience you'll ever have,  See you've already got the "getting stuck" one out of the way Grin.  Anyway, less overwhelming when you handle a few things.  I had to use my  air system to jack up the bus when I got stuck.

That is a good looking bus.   I hope it serves you well, Did you have it checked out by a mechanic before you bought?  I hope the list of needs is small.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 01:58:37 PM »


  Wayne, For that light try Bus Services Inc. in Sharon Springs,KS.
   John Allen has been a help to me in both advice and parts.
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  His catalog shows that lense , so perhaps he still has them !!

  Good luck, Ed ( 77 Eagle 05 )

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 02:02:31 PM »

If the lights are not standard items sold by Grote, Truck-Lite, Bargman, or similar I would try Silver Eagle Bus at 615.346.9303.  Most LED lights I have seen are not made in the USA.  A lot of the incandescent lights are still made in the USA, but a lot are moving to China too.

Nice looking bus.  I wish my paint looked half as nice as yours.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 07:34:00 PM »

I thank you all for the compliments and the tips on "where to go" for the light.  I will jump in Monday and get it done.  So far as having it checked I was not able to get it done by a mechanic.  I hated to do it without a check up but I would have lost it in the time frame.  I emailed Tejas Coachworks in Mineral Wells Texas and they have a 90 day waiting list to get a bus in there for a check up.  I could not wait 90 days, my wife would have sewed me into the sheets and poured hot grease on me.  She flipped when she got in that bus for a test drive.  So I did the next best thing I could do and that was check it out myself.  I listened to the motor on crank up. It fires up quick and settles down really fast.  Faint black smoke for about a minute on a really cold startup then the black goes away.  Boost pressure is good and the temp was rock solid at 180 degrees.

The only thing that bothers me mechanically is sometimes on a farm/market road I can hear a knock.  If I slow slightly it goes right away.  It is coming, as best I can tell, from the right side tag axle area.  I intend to get it over to Tejas as soon as I can.  I read somewhere about front mounted tag axles tend to bounce so maybe that put it in my head.

The other little things that bother me, no actually drive me insane.  When they mounted the black water tank and the fresh water tank it took the needed room to mount the Kabota generator properly.  So they turned it 90 degrees and stuck it in there.  This rendered the slide out mount for the generator useless.  That is going to change.  When I get time I am taking it all out and fixing it right.  I am pretty picky about stuff like that.  It will wake me up at night until I get it fixed the right way.

The other is the fuel gauge does not work.  As best I can tell the fuel tank is in the top of the rear basement and goes back to the axles.  It is encapsulated in sheet metal and insulated.  I want  to get in there but the black tank and fresh tank and generator are all in  the way.  SO when I tackle that project I will get the fuel tank issue done at the same time.

Other than a little bit of shoddy bondo work I am absolutely hooked on that bus.

You guys have some good suggestions right off the bat.  Here goes a dilemma.  I have been living out of hotels since I was a kid.  I do have a home but I travel all the time.  I train dogs as a side job which keeps me on the road every weekend from July through October.  The other times I am hunting or fishing.  I hate hotels therefore I bought the bus.  SO to be a hunter/ fisherman you got to have a boat.  Well I am not all that fired up about backing a 30000 pound bus down a ramp to launch a boat.  I see a disaster in the mix.  So how do you fellas get a run around/launch vehicle to where your going.  I'll be dipped if I can figure out a good solution.  My boats are way to heavy to hand launch. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 07:42:23 PM »

Welcome to the forum community.  As has been said, I think you will find it a very unique and special extended family.

That's a good looking bus you got there.  I am sure it will bring you much enjoyment.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2009, 07:56:08 PM »

Hi there. I grew up in Houston. Lived there til my kids were 10 and 12. I now live in Ga. Anyhow, this is the best bunch of people around. We are converting a conversion now, and the advice I get here is great. We have a gmc that we drive now. We are on the road working most of the yr, so, it is home away from home. I am with you about hotels. We have had to do them before, when the bus is down, hate it. Your bus looks good, good luck with your new ride, or home Grin. Ask all the questions you need to. I know I have been driving everyone crazy the last few months with my own questions, and prob. will for a while. Roll Eyes Ruthi
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 03:29:22 AM »

 Well I am not all that fired up about backing a 30000 pound bus down a ramp to launch a boat.  I see a disaster in the mix.  So how do you fellas get a run around/launch vehicle to where your going.  I'll be dipped if I can figure out a good solution.  My boats are way to heavy to hand launch. 
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thers was a thread about this awhile back.  Seems to me a winch would do it.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2009, 06:42:53 AM »

Even though this one sold already, it seems to me it'd be a perfect "toad" fer ya!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-F350-F450-Truck-Super-D-Towing-Hauler-Tow-Diesel_W0QQitemZ140351368269QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCommercial_Trucks?hash=item20ad97ec4d

Haul the boat up top, tow the toad with a tow bar. When ya get where ya going unhook let the boat down and back it in the water! Grin
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2009, 07:10:11 AM »

Now there's a cool concept.  Cool

Taking it a step further find a pickup (or just chassis with cab) of sufficient weight capacity for your boat and remove the bed if equipped.  Build boat rails on the back (or scavenge them from a donor boat trailer).  Use the same approach as the extension ramps to make removable rail extensions to get it down into the water.  Then just winch the boat up and down the rails to get it in and out of the water.

Of course, the feasibility would depend on the size of your boat because obviously this wouldn't work:

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=11859.0


Had been discussed a little bit before, someone had a sail boat.


If your eagle bays are tall enough and in good shape, you could put a 4-wheeler in there to launch the boat with Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2009, 07:36:27 PM »

I do believe for now I will tow the Excursion and the boat behind it.  I know the length is a bit over legal but worst case I get a ticket and they make me unhook.  I can have a passenger finish off the trip in the Excursion.  For long hauls I believe I am going to have to get another boat.  I believe a 16' x 5' wide aluminum I can manhandle well enough to get it on top of the Excursion.  With a 25 horse motor and a couple of seats that I can take off easily enough.  I can mount the 25 hp on a hand dolly and wheel it from the bus basement to the boat with no problem.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2009, 07:48:50 PM »

Wal,

Spoken like a true Texan. That is funny Grin. I like the spirit in your posts Grin.

God bless,

John

I do believe for now I will tow the Excursion and the boat behind it.  I know the length is a bit over legal but worst case I get a ticket and they make me unhook.  I can have a passenger finish off the trip in the Excursion.  For long hauls I believe I am going to have to get another boat.  I believe a 16' x 5' wide aluminum I can manhandle well enough to get it on top of the Excursion.  With a 25 horse motor and a couple of seats that I can take off easily enough.  I can mount the 25 hp on a hand dolly and wheel it from the bus basement to the boat with no problem.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2009, 08:06:37 PM »

While I wouldn't personally want to try towing doubles, that is how Steve Daniel (pro bass fisher) does it.  His boat trailer is hitched to their Jeep and the Jeep is hitched to their Prevost.  When they come to a state that doesn't allow it, his wife drives the jeep pulling the boat.

Not something I would personally want to try, but it seems to work for them.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2009, 04:22:10 AM »

I pull doubles all the time with the Excursion.  I pull the 16 ft flatbed with 2    4 wheelers and a 20 foot duck hunting boat behind the flat bed.  That is no problem at all.  I know that Detroit will have no problem.  The only problem is length and the Texas Department of Public Safety.  They do something to those guys in the academy.  Very professional with no sense of humor=I get a ticket Grin.  I think it is 4 foot over the legal length.  Huh, go figure, the wife walked by and said who are you kidding Shocked.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2009, 04:25:31 AM »

Wal,

Spoken like a true Texan. That is funny Grin. I like the spirit in your posts Grin.

God bless,

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2009, 09:35:46 AM »

Regarding fuel guage...my suggestion (no, I don't have a bus yet) would be to rely on miles traveled rather than fuel level indicated.

Take out the fuel guage and stick something else in the dash...maybe a nice clock or ambient temp guage.

Others may have opinions (ya think?)!
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2009, 09:41:06 AM »

Others may have opinions (ya think?)!

My humble opinion is to fix it, if possible. If it can't be fixed, get a new one. No doubt going only so many miles, is a good thing, and not just rely on the gauge. However, it is very nice to have a gauge. Otherwise you always have to log your miles, especially if you aren't using up tanks of fuel quickly. It would just make me nervous not having a fuel gauge that works semi well.

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2009, 09:51:50 AM »

The fuel gauge is just a reminder..believe me I need it....cost me $185 for 15 gal of fuel delivered on I-65. fuel gauge is much cheaper..ck  wires mainly ground..
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2009, 11:10:49 AM »

The fuel gauge is just a reminder..believe me I need it....cost me $185 for 15 gal of fuel delivered on I-65. fuel gauge is much cheaper..ck  wires mainly ground..

I will do that first.  I am fortunate for I have a low fuel indicator.  The generator will stop working when the fuel is at 40 gallons in the tank.  The fuel line suck tube to the the generator is set higher than the bottom of the fuel tank.The big a/c units will cut off when the generator cuts off.  I live in Texas and there is no missing when the A/c cuts off.  The guy I bought it from was giving us a test run and was talking about it along about the time the air cut off.  He says"Well there you go" and we stopped and put in 75 gallons of fuel.
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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2009, 12:16:24 PM »

Regarding fuel guage...my suggestion (no, I don't have a bus yet) would be to rely on miles traveled rather than fuel level indicated.

I did the whole miles traveled thing and still ran out of fuel three miles from my scheduled stop.  I really need to get my fuel guage working again.  Lucky it was only 45 minutes or so to get the bus running agagin.

Part of my problem was finding out the bus can only use 130 gallons when the tank capacity is 150 gallons.  We dealt with some vicious winds and used the generator a lot on that segment of the trip which killed our MPG.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2009, 12:28:31 PM »

Regarding fuel guage...my suggestion (no, I don't have a bus yet) would be to rely on miles traveled rather than fuel level indicated.

I did the whole miles traveled thing and still ran out of fuel three miles from my scheduled stop.  I really need to get my fuel guage working again.  Lucky it was only 45 minutes or so to get the bus running agagin.

Part of my problem was finding out the bus can only use 130 gallons when the tank capacity is 150 gallons.  We dealt with some vicious winds and used the generator a lot on that segment of the trip which killed our MPG.

On my trip to Florida last year, if I had been relying solely on mileage I would have been in a mess.  I average about 7 mpg normally, running at a steady 55mph.  On the trip to Florida, I was pushing it full throttle most of the time and was against a head wind.  My mileage dropped to around 5mpg for the trip.  If I had been counting the miles for fuel I would have been on the side of the road somewhere even if I had figured on 6mpg for a safety margin.

So I am always in favor of having a working fuel gauge.
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Harrumph!  No spirit of adventure. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2009, 05:15:28 PM »

Another possible idea for safely launching and retrieving boats:

My bus has a 2" receiver at the front, accessed behind the flip-up front license plate;  it's substantially bolted to the main frame rails, so it's not going anywhere.   I can plug a heavy-duty 12V winch into this receiver, then I can winch things from the front of the bus.   This way the bus could be on level terra firma while the boat trailer is safely moved down or up the ramp.   I suppose one could also do this with the usual rear receiver hitch, but I prefer to not back up to ramps, even with rear-view cameras and spotters to help me.

Could you put a receiver in the front of your bus?

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2009, 07:31:06 PM »

Another possible idea for safely launching and retrieving boats:

My bus has a 2" receiver at the front, accessed behind the flip-up front license plate;  it's substantially bolted to the main frame rails, so it's not going anywhere.   I can plug a heavy-duty 12V winch into this receiver, then I can winch things from the front of the bus.   This way the bus could be on level terra firma while the boat trailer is safely moved down or up the ramp.   I suppose one could also do this with the usual rear receiver hitch, but I prefer to not back up to ramps, even with rear-view cameras and spotters to help me.

Could you put a receiver in the front of your bus?

John

What I am looking for is having a runa round vehicle and a boat.  Where I go duck hunting I have to park in the rv park which is about 2 miles from the ramp.  I want to be able to get there, drop the truck and set up camp.  Then in the morning and evening go launch the boat.  It would be too much trouble to launch at this spot with a bus.  I don't believe I want any part of that.  The other part is I don't want to leave the boat at the ramp while I am not there.  Somebody will walk off with a propeller, battery decoys or the motor for that matter.  It is the Texas coast and things that aren't eyeballed by the owner have a tendency to walk away.  I believe a double tow is in the works here.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2009, 07:41:29 PM »

Just wanted to welcome you. Always good to have new blood.
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2009, 07:58:31 PM »

Just wanted to welcome you. Always good to have new blood.

Well that is mighty nice of you.  I can't wait to go to my first rally.  I bet that is a scream of a time.  A second bet I would make is I could learn a whole bunch from the folks there.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2009, 03:05:51 AM »

Nice looking coach, and welcome to the world of bus peeeeples.  I had the same problem, bus too long, driveway too short.  8 loads of rock and $1400 lighter in the wallet, everything seems to fit nicely now.

Might try IBP (International Bus Parts) in Florida on the lights.  More than likely dgoing to find Chinese there too, sorry.

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2009, 06:51:02 AM »

Regarding your parts search.  There's a company just south of Dallas (in Hutchins, off I-45), that may be helpful.  CHF, Inc.  972-225-1960.  The sign on their building is "Eagle Bus Parts". 

I don't know anything about them, but they're right behind the place where our 4107 is having some work done.  With any luck, someone else here knows something about them. 

The other source commonly mentioned for Eagle Parts is Jefferson Bus, in Oklahoma City.

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