Bus Conversions dot Com Bulletin Board
July 24, 2014, 11:53:11 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: If you had an E-Mag Subscription: It will not get torn up or crushed if you back over it with your bus.
   Home   Help Forum Rules Search Calendar Login Register BCM Home Page Contact BCM  
Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Coach a/c repair or . . .  (Read 2957 times)
ChuckMC8
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 288


1977 MC8 and 1993 102C3 Temple Ga #322 F&AM




Ignore
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2006, 12:41:06 PM »

Steve, another twist.

   Here's how it works- take the opinions and experiences of everyone who replies to your thread and form your own opinion. Any thread, any subject. I said this on my radiator technogoly question last week. Nobodys right and nobodys wrong. The guy that rides with his head out the window has a viable opinion...just not my way.(Unless its dangerous, like bad air brake advice or electrical misinformation, In which case it's not OK, but that's not the case here)
     
  $3,800 is Mucho Dinero, so before I plunked it down, consider these options-

 Heres a couple things that you may be able to use If youre genny's just a lttle short of juice, an inverter such as a Trace SW4024 with your house batteries will sense the genny overload and come on to help start the A/C unit. Its sweet all the time.

Next, You could ditch the factory  bus air (nobody throw anything!) which is what I'd do and what I did- Install a Welch Industries system that uses a Sanden Air Conditioning compressor that will hook to your dash air and make it work. I also have a second Evaporator in the salon of my bus.  Google "Welch Industries" in Jonesboro Ga. They install it all, or you buy components and DIY. They cool great going down the road and are not usually a continous fix once installed properly.

Last but not to be ruled out would be to replace your roof airs with more efficent new ones that use less electricity.

I have 7.5 Onan Marquis and run both (2) roof airs and my Trace, fridge and whatever else I want- sure would like to have your quiet diesel!

I reccomend  first that you have the generator output wiring and the relationship of that to the bus 120Volt load center is checked by a qualified RV electrician. It may cost $100 or so.......but that is the right place to start, regardless of how one feels about any suggested remedy........This could fix the whole shebang....I have found that another pair of eyes reveal something that I have looked over many times....

just my $3.00 worth (Hey, our opinion should be worth as  much as a gallon of diesel!)



« Last Edit: July 27, 2006, 12:44:15 PM by ChuckMC8 » Logged

Far better is it to dare mighty things,to win glorious triumphs,even though they may be checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much,because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.  Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
Steve102C3
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 20




Ignore
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 06:40:45 AM »

Thanks again to all who have provided input.

The two options I'm going to explore first are the larger generator and repairing the coach air. Wrico has a 20kw for $7220 plus another $500 - $1000 for insulation, fan, etc.

Chuck, thanks for the link to welch industries. They may be a valuable resource.

Nick, you can expect a call from me soon.

Steve
Logged

Steve
1989 MCI 102C3
SW Arkansas
DrivingMissLazy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2634




Ignore
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2006, 06:56:01 AM »

Steve, based on your previous posts, 20,000 watts (20kw) is way way overkill for what you need. Probably double, and that is bad for a genset to run very lightly loaded. Bad for the engine really.Unless you are running a total electric coach with electric cooking and electric heat, you should look for a much smaller unit. I am extremely surprised that Dick Wright would offer you that large a unit unless he knows something that the rest of us do not.
Richard


 
Thanks again to all who have provided input.

The two options I'm going to explore first are the larger generator and repairing the coach air. Wrico has a 20kw for $7220 plus another $500 - $1000 for insulation, fan, etc.

Chuck, thanks for the link to welch industries. They may be a valuable resource.

Nick, you can expect a call from me soon.

Steve
Logged

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a good Reisling in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming:  WOO HOO, what a ride
Hi yo silver
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 818




Ignore
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2006, 07:18:48 AM »

Steve,
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that the opinions expressed on this board help more folks than we realize.  Obviously, many of us are merely reading from the peanut gallery (telling my age) than are actively posting in any given discussion.  Man, you wouldn't believe the volume of stuff I've printed and filed in appropriate catagories, just for future reference!  I'm still a wannabe, shopping for the right bus.  Following this BB and visiting the chat room provides some intellectual knowledge, based on the combined experience of all you guys.  The way I see it, when I get my own bus, my own practical experience might be just starting, but at least you all will have given me a leg up in many ways. 

Yeah, Nick, everybody has a different opinion or takes a different approach.  I said it once and I'll say it again; if we all agreed on issues, the second opinion wouldn't have any value at all!

Thanks everyone,
Dennis
Hi Yo Silver!

P.S.  One more thing; frequently when I read a post, I find myself wondering where the writer is located, and what kind of bus he owns.  I wish more owners would put that info on their profile.  I keep hoping to find an MCI owner close by so I can check out some clearances, see how he has done some things, etc.             
Logged

Blue Ridge Mountains of VA   Hi Yo Silver! MC9
Busted Knuckle
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6447


6 Setras, 2 MCIs, and 1 Dina. Just buses ;D


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2006, 08:42:52 AM »

Thanks everyone,                Dennis     Hi Yo Silver!

P.S.  One more thing; frequently when I read a post, I find myself wondering where the writer is located, and what kind of bus he owns.  I wish more owners would put that info on their profile.  I keep hoping to find an MCI owner close by so I can check out some clearances, see how he has done some things, etc.


Hi Yo Silver, I too agree it'd be nice to know where other members are posting from and what type bus they have ! Some of us list that info in our profiles, some of us brag about where we are or what coach we have so often that everyone knows where we are and what coach we have ! I tried to learn to put that info in the spot below my user name but was unable to make it work so I just left it alone !

Now I usually avoid the OTR/roof air issue because as everyone knows at this time our coaches are still in charter service generating revenue so OTR air is  a must for US! However I tend to side with Nick when I do convert one of our buses (right after having the company do a major overhaul on the A/C system) I plan to keep the OTR A/C ! If a unit is fixed properly in a conversion it should last forever with minor maintance up keep, no more than it would be used!

Steve- If it were me (I don't know where you are located or who told you $3,800.00 just to convert & change the motor) I'd check out Welch Industries as Chuck recommended, but before taking the OTR A/C out I'd have Welch tell you what it needs and how much $ ! Welch Industries are very well respected in the Charter Industry as they have a very good reputation for fixing it right the first time where it lasts almost forever with proper maintance which in the long run makes us $ by keeping our coaches on the road with cool and happy customers! BK Grin Just my 2 cents worth which with $ 3.00 will hardly buy you a gallon of diesel to stay cool with! LOL!
Logged

Busted Knuckle aka Bryce Gaston
KY Lakeside Travel's Busted Knuckle Garage
Huntingdon, TN 12 minutes N of I-40 @ exit 108
www.kylakesidetravel.net

Grin Keep SMILING it makes people wonder what yer up to! Grin (at least thats what momma always told me! Grin)
Nick Badame Refrig/ACC
1989, MCI 102C3, 8V92T, HT740, 06' conversion FMCA# F-27317-S "Wife- 1969 Italian/German Style"
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4857


Nick & Michelle Badame


WWW
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2006, 03:33:17 PM »

BK,

You said the magic words!

[If a unit is fixed properly in a conversion it should last forever with minor maintance up keep, no more than it would be used!]

Theese systems are designed to last a million miles or so... nothing else needs to be said!

Nick-


Logged

Whatever it takes!-GITIT DONE! 
Commercial Refrigeration- Ice machines- Heating & Air/ Atlantic Custom Coach Inc.
Master Mason- Cannon Lodge #104
https://www.facebook.com/atlanticcustomcoach
www.atlanticcustomcoach.com
Busted Knuckle
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6447


6 Setras, 2 MCIs, and 1 Dina. Just buses ;D


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2006, 07:47:50 PM »

BK,  You said the magic words!
[If a unit is fixed properly in a conversion it should last forever with minor maintance up keep, no more than it would be used!]
Theese systems are designed to last a million miles or so... nothing else needs to be said!
Nick-

Nick, I usually try to stay away from the A/C subject (along with some of the other conversion specific subjects) because I do believe in OTR A/C as a very useful item while traveling ! But I get flamed enough without sticking my head out of my fire proof suit since I have no conversion experince or expertise to lean on ! LOL!  BK Grin

If enough people put on their registrations that they are interested in having a great (the BEST in my opinion) Bus A/C man look at and discuss their A/C's with them I'll invite my A/C specialist to the "TN Fall Bus Bash"


But ya gotta register and put it on the registration form, so I know there is enough interest in it to ask him to take time out of his schedule to come over for a day! BK Grin
« Last Edit: August 16, 2006, 07:54:13 PM by Busted Knuckle » Logged

Busted Knuckle aka Bryce Gaston
KY Lakeside Travel's Busted Knuckle Garage
Huntingdon, TN 12 minutes N of I-40 @ exit 108
www.kylakesidetravel.net

Grin Keep SMILING it makes people wonder what yer up to! Grin (at least thats what momma always told me! Grin)
JerryH
Guest

« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2006, 11:22:42 PM »

I have (3) basement air and OTR air.  No regrets about having the OTR air.  The coach is easily and fairly quickly cooled with the OTR air.  Can't say the same about the basement airs.  On the #2 bus, we took out the OTR air and have installed (3) roof airs.  The jury is out on that -- but I am already having my concerns and reservations.

Jerry H.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  All   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!