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« on: February 11, 2010, 04:27:40 PM »

hi all, new to the forum. just looked at all the busses, wow, ya all got some nice rides. i am from Bothell,WA. my wife an i are semi retired. i have a one ton dually and am thinking about doing a TT to pull but since i have been looking in here to see what ya all are doing i kind of started looking at busses.
i have found one, a 1974 gmc 4905a, 40', dd8v71 an 4 sp w/wet clutch. the owner wants $13,000 for it. it has been somewhat converted and can be used. i have only saw a pic of it an it looks good. have not talked to him yet. will see.
am trying to get our house ready to sell so really can not do anything as yet. well anyways, just wanted to say hi to all. am reading alot here an am enjoying the forum. lot's of info and seems to have alot of good folks here to help the newbies out. thanks, i'll be around.

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010, 04:35:31 PM »

Outlaw,
   Welcome to our wonderful world of nuts (Busnuts, that is).  It is difficult to say what that GM is wortth based on such a small amount of information and no photos, but in todays depressed market, that sounds a little high.  Jack
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 04:39:23 PM »

yeah, i know. from the pic's i have seen, maybe, but till i see it for myself,maybenot. anyways i wouldn't give that much for it. maybe 9 or 10 at the most. will see. need to get ahold of the guy to go look. thanks

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 04:42:41 PM »

Welcome aboard, Outlaw. I hope you enjoy yourself.

We would love to see some pics of the bus that you are looking at. What kind of a price range are you looking at? Are you very mechanical? Do you like the older coaches, or might you go for something a bit newer? I agree with Jack, 13K sounds a bit high. If you want to spend more like 30 to 50K there are LOADS of great buses out there (already converted).

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 04:44:50 PM »

Outlaw, welcome..

We are close neighbors..   I'm a few miles out east of you..    Avondale/Woodinville Duvall..

There are some great deals out there.   Feel free to email me.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2010, 04:49:26 PM »

welcome,lots of decisions.as far as value...does it have a generator? Does engine start and run good?will you be happy with the trans set up?do you like the lay out?looks? tires a major factor (most do not run more than 10 yr old tires) lots of seated coaches in the 80's for less money..do your own?lots of info here and just ask questions...do it your way..
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 05:12:47 PM »

ok, lets see if i can get this up.

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1974 GMC 4905A Conversion Bus, 40ft - $12999 (Snohomish (Maltby/Woodinville))

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1974 GMC 4905A Conversion Bus, 40ft

The 4905A has the largest belly storage of any bus ever made.

Detroit diesel 8v71
4 speed, wet clutch
Brakes excellent
Steering totally rebuilt

The drive system is in very good condition. I had two separate companies inspect the drive systems, all items (except for the backup lights and electric horn - air horn OK ) were either repaired or declared to be in very good condition. I just started it up after sitting for more than a month and it starts in less than a single revolution (this is a true Diesel, no glow plugs).

It is a true highway bus, not a fast bus, however it is a very economical bus. I only checked the milage once, on a trip from Eugene, Or. to Sacramento, Ca. (over the passes) at which time it got 9.2 mpg. Because it is a Detroit Diesel it does use oil, however I have been told by a mechanic I trust that this is normal for this engine. If you need to move a lot of stuff in addition to your crew, or you need a unit which can be off the grid for extended periods this is the best you will be able to find for under 50K. In October 2007 it was appraised for between 30K and 50K replacement value.

2KW Inverter, Dock charger
6.5KW Onan Generator
Solar panel on roof
Extremely large water (145 gal.) & propane (50 gal.) capacity
8cf Refrigerator, recently rebuilt
Large shower & bathroom
Leather couch and drivers seat

The interior is in good, but not pristine condition. Approximately 90% complete, fully usable as is, but it does need finishing, basic handyman work. We have removed the bed, it will hold a Queen or you could easily put in 6 bunks. It needs a thorough cleaning. There is some rust, the bus specialist assured me that there is no problem structurally. There is a crack on the door window, the passenger side window and the rear window, however all are sound. There is a 6 inch tear in one of the stainless lower panels next to one of the belly door handles, a few small dings on the lower panels (very minor) and a few rubber hinges could use replacement (parts are obtainable).

We will consider financing up to an ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM of 50% or partial trades (ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM of 50%) for precision machinist tools, CURRENT video/photo equipment, CURRENT Macintosh hardware, or an ECONOMY commuter motorcycle/scooter, etc.




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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 05:14:55 PM »

the pic's didn't come up.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 05:40:56 PM »

Outlaw,
Could you copy and paste the link to the craiglist page? 

Thanks and welcome to the madness!
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 05:51:30 PM »

Largest belly storage of any bus ever made?  lol he needs to take a lawn chair and sit in BK's setra's bays for a while lol.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2010, 06:06:44 PM »

Did GMs run a wet clutch?  Tom Y
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2010, 06:26:11 PM »

i tried to copy and paste but the pic's won't come up. how do i just do the post? so you all can see it?

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2010, 06:42:22 PM »

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/rvs/1594128165.html
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2010, 06:47:34 PM »

Well that's not to bad looking , little dated on the inside but heck ya gotta start some where. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2010, 07:09:13 PM »

desi, thanks for posting that. yeah, we would redo the interior. my wife used to be a interior decorater. as long as everything else is in. i don't want to have to do a complete conversion, thats why i like this bus. yep, the stick is ok, haven't double shifted for years but it's like riding a bike, ya never forget. thanks all.

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2010, 08:07:56 PM »

  Outlaw, You need to get someone local to go over the coach before you throw any money at it. I'm aware of a mechanic in Snohomish who has worked on GM converted coaches for years, and he is honest. If you're serious about the coach I'll get you his number.
   We are in Everett so we are fairly close also. Let us know how this shakes out...Cable
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2010, 08:13:48 PM »

I'm thinking 13K is a little optomistic.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2010, 08:16:20 PM »

gable, thanks. no money gets thrown at this. right now, i would just like to see. we need to sell our house first and buy something smaller. will see how our money works out. the bus may get sold before i really get interested in it. it does interest me but the wife may hate it. who knows, will wait an see. thanks for your help.

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2010, 08:18:34 PM »

cody, i think you are right. no way i would pay that. may go for $9,000 but no more. less if possible. how about $5,000?

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2010, 08:19:52 PM »

Outlaw (you should tell us another name, then "Outlaw"),

How much is the most you think you will be able to spend on a bus?

God bless,

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2010, 08:29:22 PM »

Outlaw,
I'm not an expert on GM's but I have to disagree with the largest luggage bays ever!
Let's see I can think of several different makes and models that have as much or more! such as;
Setra S215, S217, and S417
Neoplan Spaceliners
Prevost H models
Just to name a few I know of fer sure!

Now that said, the bus in the craigslist add is not a bad looking bus, but I'd start out offering way lower $ (like a 3rd, of the asking price!)

Of course I also happen to know where 1990 Setra S217 475 hp 8V92 DDEC II /748 or 754 (not sure which)  5 spd auto is for a reasonable price! And it has the interior out so you and the wife could start fresh instead of ripping one out to redo it! Wink
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2010, 08:39:41 PM »

BK, did you really think this guy knows what he is talking about? Wink, lol. i don't really think so. i have found that people who sell something like this,most of the time they have no clue. oh well. i really don't care how big the bays are anyways. we won't be full timing. just staying in AZ for 3 or 4 months during the winter so we can ride our 1996 harly road king more and the back here and do some small trips while we are here. so what kind of a bus is the one you are talking about? i really have no clue about busses, but i really like em. better then a motorhome. thanks

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2010, 08:42:21 PM »

Outlaw (you should tell us another name, then "Outlaw"),

How much is the most you think you will be able to spend on a bus?

God bless,

John

I'll echo it again...What is the most you want to spend on a bus (realistically).

God bless,

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2010, 08:48:54 PM »

Outlaw -

That 4905 has been posted on and off of CL for over a year.  Owner obviously wants to sell, as he is now offering "partial-owner financing" - something recently added to his ads.



Yep, the stick is ok, haven't double shifted for years but it's like riding a bike, ya never forget.




True, double-clutching is something you never forget, but have you ever driven a 4-spd, wet-clutch GMC coach?  I guarantee it will drive you crazy until you learn it's idiosyncrasies.  Way, way different than shifting an 18-wheeler, for example, or even the dry-clutch 4-spd bus transmissions.  (Gus will confirm!)  BTDTHTS!!

Oh, and what's the possibility that mama might want to drive it?  Would she want a stick?


During it's production run, the 4905 did, in fact, have the most downstairs "basement storage" of any coach on the market.  Even today, it's baggage bins are more spacious than some of the 45-footers you can buy brand new. However, once the major manufacturers went to the higher floor designs, that claim became a moot point.

Another interesting bit of trivia about the 4905 is that it has a longer wheelbase (318") than several of the 45-footers out there today, too!  Go to the major builder's websites and check!

And for a two-axle coach, it really does have a sweet ride - due to the long wheelbase.

But it's awfully easy to bite a curb with a rear dual - which often explains the banged up third baggage bin doors!



Before you take the bus plunge, have you & mama actually sat down and really discussed what you want to do with a bus?  Depending on your usage criteria, the shopping process could be simple or could end up being quite complex.

Lots of homework needs to be done.  Read thru the archives here as well as over on BNO (www.busnut.com), lots of info available on both boards.  In addition, there are several busnut groups on Yahoo, most associated with the primary makes (GMC, Prevost, MCI, Eagle, etc.) where you can find a lot more info.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2010, 08:50:00 PM »

john, i don't want to spend anymore then $10,000 to buy a bus to get one. i also don't want to do a complete conversion either. the bus i am talking about has everything in it. i would just redo the inside to our likeing. i want all the tanks in. i can do other things if needed. how that for now.  Smiley

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2010, 08:59:36 PM »

rj, thanks for the info. i saw that too. he would prob take $4,000 for it, if it's been on and off for over a year. he need's the money. as far as driving a wet clutch, that should not be a real prob.lol. i am pretty adapt to most anything. as far as the wife goes, no she would not be able to drive it. she really doesn't like to drive anyways. she is only 4'8" tall. i wouldn't let her anyways. she can't even drive my dually. she just like to drive our kia. thanks for the info.

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2010, 09:36:59 PM »

BK, did you really think this guy knows what he is talking about? Wink, lol. i don't really think so. i have found that people who sell something like this,most of the time they have no clue. oh well. i really don't care how big the bays are anyways. we won't be full timing. just staying in AZ for 3 or 4 months during the winter so we can ride our 1996 harly road king more and the back here and do some small trips while we are here. so what kind of a bus is the one you are talking about? i really have no clue about busses, but i really like em. better then a motorhome. thanks

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Outlaw,
I agree most selling something have no clue. (even me!)
Here is a picture of what the bus I'm talking about looks like. It looks like this one, as a matter of fact IT IS THIS ONE! Wink
But...... yeah thar's always 1 a them! It's priced slightly higher than you say you wanna pay, and it's jest a shell. (hasn't been converted, BUT THE INTERIOR IS OUT OF IT! Wink )
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2010, 09:49:48 PM »

bryce, yep, me either. i never know what i'am talking about.lol. it's what happens when ya get old or older.lol. kool looking bus. thanks. i'll pass. i really like the older busses. will see what happens with the 74 gmc. should be interesting. thanks

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2010, 09:53:17 PM »

One of the best pieces of advice you have been given is to have a knowledgeable bus mechanic look at it. If the price was right that might be an inexpensive way to get started. Good luck.
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2010, 02:19:26 AM »

BK, one summer or fall of piling sawdust in and around that bus and you guys would have a fair to middling bus to cruise in.
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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2010, 08:41:05 AM »

BK, one summer or fall of piling sawdust in and around that bus and you guys would have a fair to middling bus to cruise in.

Cody -

BK's love of Setra's would make that a fun project, even tho he'd have to figure out how to work around the sunken aisle design of that model.

About the only way to level the floor in the S215/217 series is to do a roof raise, because the baggage bay door mechanisms and the powertrain support framing is hidden under the raised portions of the floor.

Neat thing about them, tho, is their fantastically tight turning circle and great highway handling - sort of the BMW of buses.  (Far better handling than their Belgian competitor NanFools, that's for sure!) The forty-foot S215 has a 35-foot turning circle - tighter than it's own length!

In the meantime, hopefully Outlaw will get together with another busnut or bus mechanic to take a look at that 4905, just to get an idea of what's out there.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2010, 11:36:38 AM »

Yep, you got that right RJ lol, I tell BK that he's got the only bus where the driver can check his own taillights lol.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2010, 07:05:03 PM »

Outlaw,

I own a GM 4104 and will be in Edmonds in late May.

I'll be glad to go with you to look the bus over if you're still thinking about it in May.

Take your time and check the internet and this forum for all you can find out about 4905s, they are one of the best ones GM built.
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2010, 07:29:27 PM »

ok, got the owners # and where the bus is at. i will be going on vac. for a week, so won't be able to look till the following week. ? for all of you. since this bus is about 34 yrs old. are parts still out there to be gotton in case something should break and are they easly found? i know alot of you own busses that are as old if not older.
i will look at this and if i really want to jump, yes i will take someone with me that knows what is going on. i do have some knowledge but with hdt as i worked on em for awhile. no i have no bus knowledge. well thats it for awhile. you all take care and will be back soon.

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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2010, 12:44:11 AM »

ok, got the owners # and where the bus is at.

John -

I don't think it's posted in the ad, but get the VIN number (P8M4905-XXXX) from the owner, and myself or RoadRunnerTex will look up who originally bought the coach from GMC.

Parts are available, but certain ones are getting harder to get.

If you take the plunge, we'll give you all kinds of parts sources, as well as humorous jabs!  (Like this one!  LOL!)

Enjoy your vacation, and LEAVE THE COMPUTER AT HOME!

FWIW & HTH. . .

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