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« on: February 22, 2010, 04:56:40 PM »

Were looking at buying a bus and the backup camera doesn't work and my dad had heard that it was required by law. The man selling it said that a screw must have hit a wire during the conversion or something.  If it is required, would it be easy to fix or replace now that the conversion is done? If it's not required by law do I need one?
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 05:04:32 PM »

Tim -

No, back-up cameras are not required by law.

However, vehicles built since 1966 are required by the FMVSS to have back-up lights that come on when the transmission is placed in reverse.

Do you need a back-up camera?

That depends on your driving skills, your depth perception while looking in 8" square mirrors, and whether or not mama wants to get out and guide.

Even with a camera, though, things can bite you!

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 05:38:39 PM »

In my opinion a camera is a real safety item, and could prevent incidents that could cost a lot more than the camera.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 05:49:56 PM »

Thanks RJ and PCC!   Good info!
Are after market camera's easy to install?
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 06:16:02 PM »

Therre are wireless systems, or wired. Both are simple to install - Know of a vendor on ebay - don't buy the ones I am bidding on !!
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 04:01:53 AM »

I have the Voyager system and one thing that is very nice is that it can handle 4 cameras, I was told here on the board the they are the back up cam, right side cam, left side cam and shower cam but I was told differently at home lol.  The right side cam is particularily nice from the standpoint of seeing within the blind spot on that side for any car that may be beside you or any approaching from on ramps, my seating position being below the side windows makes it difficult to turn my head and see anything that may be sitting there and I just don't trust my mirrors to show everything because of the blind area. The Voyager system I have also has pan and tilt so I can adjust the camera to assist me, I got mine at RV Surplus and the price was very reasonable, anyway we can make the blind areas more visible makes for a safer envrionment for all concerned.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 04:54:20 AM »

Thanks Cody! So this call all be done after the conversion or must I look into a wireless option?? (don't worry PCC - I'm not quite ready to start bidding!!) - Tim
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 05:00:17 AM »

The monitor has a harness that must be connected to power and feeds power to the cameras thru a coax, some are wireless but I've never heard much that was good about the dependability of those. I'm kinda old school and prefer the coax.  The coax can be routed thru cabinets, or overhead, all depends on the layout of your particular bus.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 07:35:42 AM »

Tim, if you do get to the point where you need a rear view camera, you will be boggled by the options.  As someone said, I have not heard good things about wireless.

I have installed several systems all the way from a "baby cam" from a box store, to a couple of cobbled up system using Ebay parts.  I have more invested in my attempts to be cheap than I would have in a good system.  The cobbled ones had no vision at night and were just plain terrible.  I lost a couple of cameras, as they are very sensitive to voltage and needed a voltage regulator. 

I finally decided that I needed to go with a better system.  One option that was mandatory was night vision (IR).  When we were in Elkhart last May, I went to the big RV salvage store and they had a ton of used Weldex components.  I bought enough parts to make at least two systems.  The camera is the type where you can move up and down via the monitor and it has the 4 camera capability.  I think these were from Monaco coaches.  I was able to test all of the components there.  I was like a pig in mud.  Then I started reading that Monaco had terrible problems with the Weldex equipment.  After a ton of reading, it appears that the main problem was at the connectors.  Folks eliminated the connectors and soldered the wires and have had no problem.

I really like the Weldex system (mine works fine).  I can move the camera to view the tow bar and then move it to get a long rear view of the toad.  I have the side cameras (did in one of my cobbled systems as well).  I love them.

Most posts that I have read agree that trying to go cheap gives less than desirable results.  Many folks recommend this site:  http://www.rvcams.com/.  I have not dealt with them, but the seem to carry to top quality systems and their prices seem fair.

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 09:42:48 AM »

My neighbor buys up cameras from places like wal-mart then resells them on eBay. I was at his shop yesterday and looked at these cameras with the dome on them and thought about getting one for a backup camera. They look like they could be waterproofed easily. But you would have to set your zoom and position where you want it. I would have to cut a hole about 5" in diameter in my cap is the down side. He has some with and without the night vision (IRIS). He sells them cheap.

Here is a link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250583346088&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 10:01:43 AM »

I hardley ever use my camera for backing up.  Thats a job for my co pilot.  But it is a big help when passing cars or trucks.  You can tell when it's safe to pull back in.  Especially if you are towing.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »

Bryan, be sure you read my previous post about "cheap" cameras.  The ones I played with have zero picture at late dusk until full morning light. Also had terrible picture washout with certain sun positions.   The pictures they have are not all that great.  Good enough of most or our needs, but still looks terrible.

I feel naked without my camera (terrible picture here Shocked).  I want to be able to see my toad.  One of my projects is to put tape on the steering wheel to make sure it is rotating when the bus turning.  Good camera systems will pick that up.

All of my cameras have IR so that I can see a fair distance at night.  I often leave the system on when parked at a Wal Mart so that I can see if anyone is messing around the side or back of the bus.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 10:27:15 AM »

Jim,

I need to look at them a little more. He had the ones with IR and in his shop you could zoom from about 50' easily and was very clear. I don't know about night but he said they worked good and had excellent clarity. Maybe we can turn down the lights in his shop and see how they perform.

This was just a thought I had been kicking around. I can get the camera for about $20 but would then have to get a monitor.

I will check these out a little more in different conditions to see how well they work. My bus is in my shop next door to his. Maybe I can rig one up and play with it a little  Shocked

I like the idea of having them on the sides as well. Even for when you are parked in a less desirable area for some reason. Got to keep an eye on the rift raft, LOL  Wink

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 10:34:49 AM »

Hi Bryan, be sure to read the camera specs.  The cheap ones can only take voltages of about 12V +-1V.  When charging, we are well above that.  I lost a few of the cheap cameras from what I think was over voltage.  A voltage regulator is not very expensive, but you would need to run it off 110V. 

In the case of IR, I suspect there is quite a bit of variation.  I had access to a Weldex before I bought the system and played with it at pitch dark and got about 15-20 foot distance as I recall.  I suspect there are cameras that have minimal IR capability.  You have the advantage of playing with the camera before you buy it.

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 11:53:43 AM »

I thought he said they are a 12v DC camera. Do you think that since I have the vanner and a 12v power supply it would be ok? Or do you think while charging it would overload it then?

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 12:14:02 PM »

It is amazing to me now the price of the backup cameras when I bought Sony with 3 cameras it was over 2500 bucks now 600 bucks will buy one of the best.
But I still like my Sony with the depth gauge makes backing and hooking up a snap that is if you watch it and don't back into the overhead door with Van and John watching   lol


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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 12:39:18 PM »

Clifford,

They were busy smiling at your back up camera  Cheesy Grin

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 03:59:01 PM »

Bryan, I think most of these type cameras are 12V.   The cheap cameras seem have a pretty low tolerance for over voltage (when the alternator is charging the batteries).  The 110 V is the power supply that furnishes regulated 12 V to the camera.  I think there are 12V to 12V voltage regulators, but I recall that the were a bit pricey.

I don't know much about Vanner, but I would expect that it would supply 12 V with a relatively tight tolerance. 

As I say, I think the better brand cameras are designed for the normal voltage variation in a vehicle.

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2010, 04:39:33 PM »

I would probably be better of just finding one for an RV from the way it sounds. I kind of like to tinker with the stuff but not throw money at it, lol

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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2010, 04:55:45 PM »

Bryan, call Trina at RV Surplus in elkhart, she'll give you a good deal.
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2010, 10:33:37 PM »

 Clifford! What over head door? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin Wink
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 06:43:54 AM »

It is amazing to me now the price of the backup cameras when I bought Sony with 3 cameras it was over 2500 bucks now 600 bucks will buy one of the best.
But I still like my Sony with the depth gauge makes backing and hooking up a snap that is if you watch it and don't back into the overhead door with Van and John watching   lol
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Clifford,
Don't feel bad I had Scotty and Matt open the door for me one day while I went and got the bus. Well all was good as I was watching the back up cam and checking the mirrors (which are worthless during the late morning with the sun blinding you while you try to back into the shop!)
Well Matt only raised the door about 10' and he and Scotty sat and watched me hit the door since the camera was below it! (and I couldn't see squat out of the mirrors!)

YUP BEEN THERE DONE THAT! Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 06:49:32 AM »

I can just see scotty shuffling his feet and saying, you shudda stopped lol. those doors got a lot of clearance but with my bus, the power door hanger almost tics the a/c units.
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 06:53:26 AM »

I can just see scotty shuffling his feet and saying, you shudda stopped lol. those doors got a lot of clearance but with my bus, the power door hanger almost tics the a/c units.


Ahh, yeah,  but ahh this was back when the door opener worked!  Shocked

As a matter of fact that was the day it broke. hmmm coincidence?  Angry
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2010, 06:55:41 AM »

Bk, that is what happen I always open my doors to the top and this time they were not, but I cannot blame Van and John I would like too but it was all my fault.  


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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2010, 07:16:52 AM »

Bk, that is what happen I always open my doors to the top and this time they were not, but I cannot blame Van and John I would like too but it was all my fault.  


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I hear ya Clifford, but the rule around our shop is either ALL THE WAY UP, or low enough you'll smack yer noggon on it!
OF course the two "clowns" response was "looked high enough to us, go get the MCI and see if it'll clear it!"  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2010, 07:18:53 AM »

I thought he said they are a 12v DC camera. Do you think that since I have the vanner and a 12v power supply it would be ok? Or do you think while charging it would overload it then?

Bryan


the Vanner simply splits the input voltage and forces the two batteries to be the same.  It doesn't regulate the 12 volt output at all.  I believe this system has a regulated 12 volt output over a fairly wide range of nominally 24 volt input.  http://store.solar-electric.com/sa24voto12vo.html

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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2010, 07:01:58 AM »

I don't want to install a camera, but someone told me I had to have one if I wanted to tow anything. I live in Kansas, is their any truth to a backup camera being required for towing?



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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2010, 07:14:50 AM »

Nope, but it sure is nice to be able to see if whatever you are towing is still back there!  Before we got our camera, we once went over 120 miles and did not know if the jeep was still there. We were on the freeway headed west so we could not see a shadow of the jeep to either side of the bus, and we did not go around a sharp enough corner to get a glimpse of it until we got off at an exit. Now i can see it all of the time plus i can see if anybody is in the blind spot there when i am getting ready to pull around and pass somebody. No more starting to pass somebody and finding out somebody is already passing you!
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2010, 07:15:13 AM »

Not aware of any law requiring a backup camera for towing.  The person who told you that was probably just recommending you have one if towing.

I had a tire issue on a trailer fall 2008.  The driver saw it in the camera and we were able to stop to take care of things.  It was an open utility trailer and something wedged between the tire and the trailer itself causing lots of smoke and tire damage.  Without the camera we probably would have pulled the trailer with a flat tire until our next stop.
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2010, 07:16:00 AM »

I don't want to install a camera, but someone told me I had to have one if I wanted to tow anything. I live in Kansas, is their any truth to a backup camera being required for towing?
Jon

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I believe someone is attempting to blow smoke where it don't belong! To the best of my knowledge there is no such LAW! (never has been that I know of!)

Now that is not to say that your insurance company might not require it. I can't say if yours does or not, but I have recently heard that some insurance companies are starting to require things such as this on "large" RV's.

YMMV!
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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 07:34:40 AM »

Brian, if you hadn't stopped when you did, it probably would have caught on fire. Sad   Our first day on the road i met a guy from Canada with a camera on his bus and asked him about it. He had put it on because the year before he was towing his 4x4 pickup and blew the front left tire and did not know it until somebody flagged him down. By that time it had done $6000-7000 worth of damage to the truck.  He said a camera was very cheap by comparison.  A year of two later we met a guy at BusN' USA that had a 5A that had fire damage to the back of the bus from something that he was towing that caught on fire. He was very lucky that he did not lose the whole bus.
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2010, 08:00:47 AM »

Brian, if you hadn't stopped when you did, it probably would have caught on fire. Sad   Our first day on the road i met a guy from Canada with a camera on his bus and asked him about it. He had put it on because the year before he was towing his 4x4 pickup and blew the front left tire and did not know it until somebody flagged him down. By that time it had done $6000-7000 worth of damage to the truck.  He said a camera was very cheap by comparison.  A year of two later we met a guy at BusN' USA that had a 5A that had fire damage to the back of the bus from something that he was towing that caught on fire. He was very lucky that he did not lose the whole bus.

in this case I'm not sure if I'd want to pull over or drive faster  Tongue
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2010, 05:14:30 PM »

I think if i remember right he did drive faster when he realized that he was on fire. He knew there was a fire station just a few blocks away. That was the only thing that saved him from losing it all.
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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2010, 07:01:18 AM »

Thanks for the GOOD info I may get a camera one day, but not today.
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