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« on: June 24, 2010, 10:35:57 PM »

I recently read a bunch of reviews of my lap top computer.  They were HORID!  I did a lot of research before I plunked down my hard earned moolah.  Toshiba Satellite came in a serious winner.  Seems they invented Laptops...or something. Well, I am delighted with this critter except for two things:  It weighs a ton and the carry case needs wheels or a skid plate.  The battery is flat dead in less than an hour.  These are big flaws in almost everybody's book.  To compensate for that I bought Wifey a smaller version that has more endurance and weighs less and will communicate with mine or any WiFi or use my air card.  Mine is 7 or 8 or 9 pounds (505) I don't know which.  It is not to be carried lightly nor taken so.  It is all grow-ed up with dual processors( I don't fully understand that)  quick speeds and Blue Ray drives and huge disc and oodles of RAM and ports?....let me tell ya.  And Bla Bla Bla!

I am not the type that caries a computer around with me and sits for hours in a coffee shop computing.  I watch the girls/women/dogs...not in that order.  I bought this thing for the Bus as the "desk top replacement" system.  It has a 18+inch screen that eats as much power as a 18 inch screen should.  It will sit on the dash and read out GPS and speed and silver leaf and rear/side/roof vision cameras and not movies(honest osceffer!).  It is only "mobile" not really portable.  It will be powered by 120v AC just like it is now.

So why am I sharing this sordid tale with Y'all?  There are a ton of seriously unhappy Toshiba Satellite users out there that say they would "unload this thing in a second" for a pittance.  Battery life and weight are the issues.  Want a really nice desk top replacement?Huh   Connect the dots.

My 2 cents and a heads up.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 11:38:39 PM »

For light and portable  I'd highly recommend a SSD (solid state drive) and no optical drive.  I've had an asus EEE for about a year.  It originally came with some form an linux which I used for about 2 days untill I discovered  that it would not run MegaTune (what I use to tune my car).  I  then put an Nlite'd version of XP on it  which runs great.
For the internet, megatune, word (open office),  Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007, it's performed as well or better than any other computer I've used.
I especially like it because the combination  of the  custom XP install and the SSD, it boots  up in under  12 seconds!
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4gigSSD and a 4 gig SD card
SD card reader
1.6 intel atom
2gigs ram
normal battery
5 hrs normal  runtime on battery (normal battery)
$160 over  a yr ago (refurb)

Cons:
HD is on the small side, I might upgrage to a 32gig SSD  soon
Keyboard takes some getting used to, I'm  pretty big... so I  suspect it would not be too big of a deal for smaller people, I just don't type as fast on it as a do on a normal laptop.


On another computer note:
I got a Dell E1405 when they first came out with the dual core about 4 years ago. The original  battery is now down to about 45 mins but I'm used it very hard.  It used to last 3 hours or so.
I personally like the 14.1" size the best.  For me it is the best  compromise between portability and capability.  The screen it arge enough to use multiple windows and the keyboard is a good size for me.  I'v done 5  years  of college and carried a computer with me every single day of that, so I've got a  lil experience here.
The little EEE pc is nice and I use it a lot, but its just to small to type out a 10 page essay on.  I use it more now that I'm  "working" and only use the computer for checking the weather :-)
Anything with a numeric keypad I have found to be too big to carry.  I've never don't THAT much data  entry and have gotten good at the number row at the top of the keyboard.  I've also figured that I'd rather carry an external USB keypad  than a 15.5"+ computer if it came  to that.  I had an old 15.5" dell before and felt a huge relief when I got the 14.1"

my $.02, finally a  topic that  I can contribute to :-)

Oh, and this is bus related because  I got my EEE pc for  my car, both to tune and navigate it,  and would use it in the bus at least for navigation.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 11:56:43 PM »

   I've got one of them Toshiba 505d portable hernia builders.  I love it. I'm sitting in the bus at Rickreall right now. We used it to get here (co pilot) and air card while here. 400 watt inverter while on the road and plugged in or gen when sitting...Cable
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2010, 02:07:42 AM »

I had a Toshiba Satellite 4600 for years, and it was a great machine. Eventually I killed it by spilling water on it whilst using it to play music whilst working in the bus. It was kicking around for a further 18 months until just a couple of weeks ago when I got around to selling it for parts on Ebay - and even then I got more for it than I would have expected.

On the subject of computers for in-vehicle use...I'm just in the process of installing an HP Vectra in my car - the Vectra is a very compact mini-PC (a desktop) which, crucially, runs on DC power - no need for AC in the car. You can run laptops off DC as well of course. You can find Vectras on Ebay for not very much money, yet they are effectively the same as the very expensive purpose-designed car-PCs that are available now. The specification is fairly low, but it runs Windows XP and the limited software I need in the car without any problems.

In my current car I'm using a Ride Runner front-end and a large-ish touchscreen, which means no need for a keyboard or mouse. In a previous car I didn't have either of those so used a small trackball and had a miniature keyboard in the centre console which I could pull out when I needed it (entering addresses into the nav software etc). This worked but using a keyboard in a moving vehicle cannot be described as particularly safe - and I suspect a police officer wouldn't be too impressed if they saw a keyboard within reach of the driver, no matter what justification you used.

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2010, 02:50:10 AM »

My Acer that I bought on black friday from walmart works just fine, has my GPS in it, (I replaced my old Granny Pointing System) and rides around on the dash of the bus and tells me if I'm speeding and which corn field I'm about to run into.  I did get pulled over for a burnt out tail light bulb and when I went back to check the bulb with the nice officer, he confided to me that he had seen the screen glowing nicely in the dark of the bus front and was just wondering what GPS program I was running and why I liked it so I showed him my delorme and told him what little I knew about it.  He liked it and told me to have a nice day or night as the case may be and went on his way, I did in fact have a burnt out tailight bulb lol but I carry spares and it was unburnt in a jiffy lol.  That was down by Stephans Point in Wisconsin and they have some very nice officers on the road there, I've been helped by them in the past and can't say enough nice things about them.  Iggles make changing a light bulb a pleasure by the way the whole light assembly swings out lol, he liked that too.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2010, 07:28:59 AM »

I have 2 Toshiba's the P205 with Vista is a piece of junk and MS or Toshiba will not furnish any support for Vista and A105 with Xp is not too bad but a very short battery life.
I will not be buying any more Toshiba's because of the suckey attitude the tech dept has.
FWIW you know the places were you can write a review I wrote 1 on the P205 it lasted about 30 min there and it was gone never to be seen again lol  




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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2010, 09:05:56 AM »

I have 2 Toshiba's the P205 with Vista is a piece of junk and MS or Toshiba will not furnish any support for Vista and A105 with Xp is not too bad but a very short battery life.
I will not be buying any more Toshiba's because of the suckey attitude the tech dept has.
FWIW you know the places were you can write a review I wrote 1 on the P205 it lasted about 30 min there and it was gone never to be seen again lol  




good luck

Just so you know I have  instaled Win. 7 on 2 toshiba laptops recently.  The ONLY issue I had was that I had to manually install the wifi card driver on one of them.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2010, 09:49:39 AM »

So can I get a GPS that is homed on the laptop and I don't have to purchase the hand held part?

Thanks,

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2010, 10:11:18 AM »

So can I get a GPS that is homed on the laptop and I don't have to purchase the hand held part?

Thanks,
John

John,
   Not sure what you mean by homed on the laptop.  We use my Toshiba Satellite in ther coach and a Dell Latitude D610 in our toad. Both computers run MS Streets & Trips 2009 and Delorme 2009. We split screen, running both programs, Streets & Trip on left half of screen and DeLorme on right half.  Only thing not in the computer are the antennas which connect via USB cable and set on the dash of the car and attached to the underside of the front fiberglass cap of the coach.
   We have recently had a problem with Streets & Trip on the Dell. When GPS antenna is activated, the map portion of the screen will flash from normal map to white screen and then back to map. It does this almost continuously until GPS is turned off??  Jack
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2010, 12:32:42 PM »

I think you are a fine figure of a human being.   I liked it better when you dissed me. Huh Roll Eyes Grin Spooky! Tongue

You are both getting close to appreciating my level of ignorance.   Where do I get the software to load in my computer?  I was told that my Laptop has the hardware needed to decode the sat signal provided by the antenna.  All I have come up with is "Hand Held" receivers.  Now I will get one of those for Wifey cause she can walk a 13 mile marathon(half) and that is well out of my reach and a GPS and a radio is required for those jaunts of hers.  I will also get a antenna for the Bus but why do I need one for the car.

I am rushed right now....I'll get abck.  Thanks

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I think you are a fine figure of a human being.   I liked it better when you dissed me. Huh Roll Eyes Grin Spooky! Tongue

You are both getting close to appreciating my level of ignorance.   Where do I get the software to load in my computer?  I was told that my Laptop has the hardware needed to decode the sat signal provided by the antenna.  All I have come up with is "Hand Held" receivers.  Now I will get one of those for Wifey cause she can walk a 13 mile marathon(half) and that is well out of my reach and a GPS and a radio is required for those jaunts of hers.  I will also get a antenna for the Bus but why do I need one for the car.

I am rushed right now....I'll get abck.  Thanks

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Ok, besides the laptop which you already have, you'll need this (or similar) for hardware: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=usb+gps+receiver+for+laptops&cid=6482896719493198656&ei=PColTPjEIpWYwAWQjqQn&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p

and this for softwar: http://www.microsoft.com/streets/en-us/STLanding.aspx?ci_tag=TSA&refcd=go001745s_microsoft_streets_and_trips

There are other options for software other than MS streets and trips, I like that one  though.
Sometimes you can find the software & usb receiver sold together.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 04:19:12 PM »

I purchased both the MS Streets & Trips and Delorme (2009 versions) last June as package deals (software and antenna).  I use separate antennas connecting both to the computer in separate USB ports.  Both worked since last june until just recently when the Streets & Trips stsarted acting up.  I uninstalled and reinstalled Streets & Trips (antenna is part of the software). Sometimes it works OK, other times it flashes between noprmal map view and white in the map area of the screen. Turning off the GPS mode stops the flashing.  Jack
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2010, 05:20:08 PM »

I am sitting at BusnUSA with the datastorm dish up and using a dell small desktop computer. I have a Dell boat anchor type laptop as a backup and have co pilot for it Jerry
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2010, 06:20:03 AM »

I've probably only had about 15-20 laptops through the years, but after the last purchase of an HP touchscreen one, I'll never stray away from the Toshibas.  I keep a Samsung netbook (currently using it and love the little thing) next to the bed and anywhere I go, I use the HP touchscreen in my living room, and then a different laptop at work.  I've used Sony's, HP's, Toshiba's, Sumsungs, Averatec, IBM, Acer, etc. . .  only major ones I haven't tried are Dell and Apple.   My general impression is that I've had less problems with and enjoyed the Toshiba's better than any.

What really racks me is when I buy a new laptop, and have problems, only to find that Microsoft and the computer manufacturer each blame the other's software and refuse to solve the problem.. . . . .or, as in the case of the touchscreen, I buy a brand new computer, repeatedly get the "blue screen of death", have HP techs insist it MUST be the software I've installed, only to find out, after searching online, that I needed to update practically every driver on the unit.  So, we produce the computer, sell it, let our customers discover the problem, and then write patches to place on our website, but don't inform our tech support guys because we don't want to admit we put out a product with built-in problems?Huh??  Not acceptable.

So, computer gurus. . . . would you agree that if I want to run 2-3 monitors and have extremely fast caluclating and database performance, and I don't do graphics or publishing. . .  would I be better to build a desktop for my office instead of trying to use an off-the-shelf desktop or laptop?f  Even considering I need to stay Microsoft Windows so that I can use the network and software that we use throughout the office, therefore would have to purchase Windows?  Inquiring minds. .. Christy Hicks
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2010, 07:07:52 AM »

So, computer gurus. . . . would you agree that if I want to run 2-3 monitors and have extremely fast caluclating and database performance, and I don't do graphics or publishing. . .  would I be better to build a desktop for my office instead of trying to use an off-the-shelf desktop or laptop?f  Even considering I need to stay Microsoft Windows so that I can use the network and software that we use throughout the office, therefore would have to purchase Windows?  Inquiring minds. .. Christy Hicks

"extremely fast" needs quantifying based on actual needs and the amount of money you want to spend. If you have the specs of a machine you know is fast enough, that gives you a starting point. Most people don't really need the fastest (meaning expensive) thing on the market...choosing one with a decent price/performance ratio is usually plenty.

If portability isn't a requirement, then the desktop is the more flexible (and cheaper) choice, especially if you want more than two monitors.

As for off-the-shelf vs build yourself, that depends on your abilities to do so. It's not especially hard to do yourself if you have the knowledge. Or you can have a custom configuration built for you.
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2010, 11:53:13 AM »

First off, discalimer/diclosure:  I work at one of the computer parts companies in Silicon Valley, and I am not speaking on their behalf, and am not paid to do so by any party - but rather based on the experience I've had with building computers since 1985-current (including my stint doing desktop support at a large law-firm), and my interest in this topic.

...I keep a Samsung netbook (currently using it and love the little thing) next to the bed and anywhere I go...
I love netbooks too - though they are not the fastest/newest, the Acer Aspire One A150 (ZG5) netbook is broadly available on e-place (and so are -->cheap<-- service parts), and since someone published the circuit board schematics, they are very easy to hack and modify safely.  We have four (for now), mine, my wife's, one on my work bench, and one as a Car-puter in my truck (the 8.9" display fits nicely in a double-DIN opening in the dash).


…only major ones I haven't tried are Dell and Apple…
I personally like Dells if you take care of them, again service parts are broadly available (since they do corporate type systems, and need quick turnaround on service) – I’m not an Apple fan-boy, and I don’t like being told how to use a computer by a company (like Steve does with Apple) – I and I don’t buy into “life-style”-type product lines like Apple or Sony, where the products work best if you only buy one brand of everything…


…What really racks me is when I buy a new laptop, and have problems, only to find that Microsoft and the computer manufacturer each blame the other's software and refuse to solve the problem - or, as in the case of the touch-screen, I buy a brand new computer, repeatedly get the "blue screen of death", have HP techs insist it MUST be the software I've installed, only to find out, after searching online, that I needed to update practically every driver on the unit…
This is unfortunately the norm in the industry, there are shipping targets and development schedules – and very often the shipping target is earlier than the end of the development schedule’s end date (especially if there are difficult bugs that need to get worked out).  This is why Updates are absolutely critical.


…So, we produce the computer, sell it, let our customers discover the problem, and then write patches to place on our website, but don't inform our tech support guys because we don't want to admit we put out a product with built-in problems?Huh??  Not acceptable…
This is a complicated issue – depending on the viability of the company’s Quality-Assurance program, some bugs might slip by (or be allowed out the door because they are not expected to impact a customer).  Bugs may actually affect a customer if the severity of the bug wasn’t understood – or if it was a new case where only the customer knows what new software is going to be used (and the company doesn’t have a copy to test).  The support guy issue is a whole-nuther issue…  Many of the tech support guys you talk to on the phone are fresh out of High School, don’t know S*** about S***, and are running from a CMS systems that they enter a phrase from a customer into the search engine and come up with as good results as you got with first-gen Yahoo…  They don’t actually know or really love the product (in most cases, there are a few exceptions), and it’s just a day-job for them.  The training they get is more how to use the support system and phone, not the actual product.


…So, computer gurus. . . . would you agree that if I want to run 2-3 monitors and have extremely fast calculating and database performance, and I don't do graphics or publishing. . .  would I be better to build a desktop for my office instead of trying to use an off-the-shelf desktop or laptop?  Even considering I need to stay Microsoft Windows so that I can use the network and software that we use throughout the office, therefore would have to purchase Windows?  Inquiring minds. .. Christy Hicks
If you want to do multiple monitors, you are going to need a business-class graphics card – ATI and Nvidia make these, both manufacturers have multi-head cards.  Built-in (on-board) graphics chips like those used in netbooks are not suitable for multi-head systems, they don’t have enough memory, don’t have enough performance to draw all of the windows that are on each display…
If you are going to go through the trouble of building a machine, use Windows 7, 64-bit (either Professional/Enterprise or Ultimate) even if your software is only 32-bit Win7-64’s 32-bit compatibility is amazing (and so is the stability, driver inclusion, etc…),  and for Data-Base use, the more memory the better – 64 bit will help you out here, the 64-bit Professional and Ultimate editions of Win7 support up to 192GB of RAM, while the Home Edition only supports up to 16GB of RAM (the 32-bit OS can only support 4GB, and of that you can only use 3.5GB).  You can get an OEM copy of the software for less that full-retail (so long as you get it with parts used for your new computer).  I’d recommend an Intel Core i5 or Core i7 CPU and motherboard (Core i7 can get really expensive, the most expensive 6-core chip is over $1,000).  Make sure your motherboard has PCI-Express slots, preferably with a 16-lane Generation 2 slot for the graphics card.  An 850Watt or higher supply will allow for future expansion - the more efficient “80+” type power supplies will be good for your power bill, they are better at matching the load of the system (instead of always using the rating, or near the rating) – I like the “Enermax Revolution 85+” line, I use these exclusively in my Workstation, and my Server (they make an 850W, 950W, and 1050W version of this line).  Hard drive space is cheap…  you can get 1-Terabyte [approx the capacity of 1560 CDs] drives for less than $100 bucks nowadays (I remember when a 10Megabyte [approx 1/64th the capacity of a CD] Winchester drive was a couple thousand dollars…  Ah the 80s…).

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2010, 12:13:17 PM »

Christyhicks said; "don't inform our tech support guys because we don't want to admit we put out a product with built-in problems?Huh??  Not acceptable."

How about you buy a brand new out-of-the-box HP Mini and the "spellcheck" is in FRENCH!!!  Then you get hold of Microsoft with the problem and they tell you to go to a "third-party" vendor to fix the problem!!  Great!

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2010, 04:35:46 PM »

Thanks for the input. . . I figured I'd have to build one, not that I know what the heck I'm doing, but probably can pick some brains and get close maybe. .. .  Yeah, I remember my first computer. . . it had a monochrome monitor and a 5 1/4 floppy drive, and if I upgraded within 30 days I could add a color monitor and a 20 mg hard drive.  I told my husband. . . "I'll NEVER need to go to a bigger hard drive". .. which of course, I repeated when I went to the 40 meg, and on and on till I got smart and said, "Well, this will do for now.", ha ha.

I will still be limited by the speed of the network. . . I'm wondering if I could cable between my computer and the server with the database that I use on one of my programs to speed it up. . .I just HATE waiting. .. I don't have time for that. . .  there's too much to do and not enough time to do it, so I run two monitors now and switch back and forth. . . but of course, I'm limited by the speed of the computer to process a task from one program before it can process a command from another. 

I have Vista 64 bit on this computer and am not at all impressed with Vista. . . I'd actually rather stay XP than buy any more Vista computers.  Is 7 really way better???  C.
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2010, 07:01:37 PM »

Thanks for the input...  I figured I'd have to build one, not that I know what the heck I'm doing, but probably can pick some brains and get close maybe...

It isn't that difficult to do, but getting everything specified out for the task it is intended for is a bit more challenging.

...I will still be limited by the speed of the network.  I'm wondering if I could cable between my computer and the server with the database that I use on one of my programs to speed it up... ...I just HATE waiting...

You can do a faster network somewhat easily - but there is a cost factor.  Most new motherboards come with 1-gigabit Ethernet - but, you can go faster with workstation, server, or data-center grade networking gear (you can go up to 40-gigabit x2 with QDR Inifiniband).  You just have to buy them and install them (think $500+ per card, plus cabling…).

...but of course, I'm limited by the speed of the computer to process a task from one program before it can process a command from another...

Once you take care of your network speed issues, the biggest lags you'll see is access to the data and search-time on the database.  You can make this faster by upping your RAM, adding cores to your CPU, and using faster Hard Drives.  Most DB servers try to run as much from RAM as possible - so the more your server can support, the better.  The server board I'm using at home can support 144GB of RAM, and two wicked fast 6-core 3.4GHz CPUs...

For the hard drives, SLC-Flash (1)or SLC-Flash (2) if you can, otherwise look at RAM-drives.  This is of course all subject to budget... (I think I last priced out a 5TB Texas Memory Systems RamSan 620 @ $250K, while the smaller PCI-Express Ramsan-10 [225GB] was like $12K...).

If you are building your systems from scratch, try for a Xeon system that support two CPUs, and can support the W5500 and X5600 generation CPUs.  I’m not a big AMD fan, but since I haven’t been following what they are doing, I can’t really comment on what is best to use from them, or how they compare to Intel stuff.


...I have Vista 64 bit on this computer and am not at all impressed with Vista. . . I'd actually rather stay XP than buy any more Vista computers.  Is 7 really way better???  C.

In my experience, yes - Windows 7 is a whole separate category of performance and functionality from Vista and Windows XP Pro (SP3).  They overhauled a lot with Win7, how they handle memory, CPU access, hard drive access, etc…  I was also a Vista doubter (“hater” is more accurate) – and had been running all of my machines on XP.

Even my netbooks showed a performance boost with a Win7 install…

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2010, 05:11:00 AM »

Unbelievable technology that is out there.  Way over my head.

I wanted to comment on computer manufacturers.  Like others, I have had a variety of laptops over the years.  My best experience has been with Toshiba.  My current laptop is a Satellite 205 and I really like it with the exception of the weight.  We have a Toshiba that is many years old that we use as a primitive print server on our network.  It is on every day all day in both the house and the bus.  Still keeps ticking.

On the other hand, I bought an HP TX2000 tablet computer in June of 2008 to take to Europe.  It worked great and it was super for working on airplanes and easy to carry.  At 14 months I got the "Black Screen" (the result of an overheating problem on the mother board).  Turns out that a huge number of the TX2000 series computers had the same mother board failure (do a search on "TX2000 failure" or TX2000 black screen" and you will get a lot of hits and tons of upset folks - computer fails consistently just after warranty expires).  HP has refused to work with their customers - even in the face of several pending class action suits.  Supposedly I was lucky, as I bought a two year service plan.  Staples fixed the unit and I brought it on this trip, only to find that is has suffered the black screen again.  Staples has started the paper work to fix it again so that I can beat the two year expiration date even though I will not be able to deliver the computer till I get home.

As a result of HP's attitude on this obvious design defect I will not buy another HP product.

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 05:47:32 AM »

And I think the HP with which I'm not impressed is the TX2500 or something like that.  Slow, slow. . . . I've deleted everything I can in the background but just the computer's own components uses a large portion of the memory.  Christy
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2010, 02:07:44 PM »

...At 14 months I got the "Black Screen"... ...turns out that a huge number of the TX2000 series computers had the same mother board failure...

...HP has refused to work with their customers - even in the face of several pending class action suits...

For past work experience in the tech industry, I'll say that this is ONLY what happens when the lawyers get involved.  Lawyers are fighting internally for the financial safety of the company from an "exposure" they see - a major warranty thing is a huge financial liability, and they more a company does to rectify a problem - the more it appears as an "admission of guilt" (and thus liability to anyone they sold one to for corrective action at the company's expense).  Of course, the other side of that internally is the Marketing team...  They want to save the brand, get popular support and consumer "love" behind a brand so people will buy more - and one way to do that is to quickly admit a problem that is known and get the full support behind the company to fix it.  This shows that the company has the customer's interests in mind, and will gain the trust of a customer.

Engineers make mistakes, but we spend a lot of time learning how not to make them, or at least mitigate them before a project ships.  Unfortunately, some do squeak by the review process sometimes, or the verification/engineering-release stage.  Other times, some of the thing we want to do don’t make it into a final product because it just took too long, or we don’t have enough staff to get it implemented.

The trick when picking a company is to divine when a problem with a product is the fault of the engineer making a mistake (which if they are worth their stuff, will not make the same one again) – or the company’s management team making a dumb decision about what to allow to get through.  Then the next trick is to find out who is in charge of handling a problem with a product – the management team directed by the marketing team trying to save customer loyalty with a customer-centered response to the problem, or the management team being directed by the lawyers trying to save as much of the company’s money (and face, by not admitting a problem – even way after the science is in proving it’s a problem…).

Look at Toyota – the engineers knew about a problem with an accelerator pedal sensor, the management was told, but the lawyers advised that it would be cheaper to sweep under the rug despite marketing protests that if it came out it would hurt the brand…  That’s an example of how not to run a business…  I could give 100s of thousands more, but this should be enough.  My advice is not to give up on the engineers – management is replaceable, lawyers are too (and both can easily wipe their hands of the company and wreak havoc at the next job), they don’t do the actual work of creating the product – the marketing and sales people do.


Just remember to point your disappointment in the right direction  Wink


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