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Author Topic: Anybody have experience with "Double Coin" brand tires?  (Read 5855 times)
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« on: June 30, 2010, 11:32:23 PM »

A charter operator here needed some new tires and got a good quote on "Double Coin" brand tires.   None of us here at the shop had ever heard of that brand.  Anybody have any experience/knowledge of them?
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 05:59:05 AM »

Sure I have heard of them. The quality and performance are just as good as any other.

I know a prevo owner with a 97 Liberty that I convinced out of Michelin's who has them on the drives and he is very happy with them.

With most of us not running enough miles to wear down a set of tires before they age out who needs those overpriced brands.

Here is proof that even if you do run them bald before they age out they are still a good choice.

Thumbs up for double coin or any brand that competes with the ridiculous cost of Michelin.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 06:21:07 AM »

I never owned a set but do see a lot of operators here in the West running the tire brand and before you guys go off to far about Michelins they are one of the owners of Double Coin in China 



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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 07:35:32 AM »

At this time I don't think I would want to risk my families life and welfare with tires made in China.  With the quality issues with other products coming out of China.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 08:12:31 AM »

Good grief Charley Brown

Double Coin, Sumitomo, Yokohama, Toyo etc. etc. whatever. I don't care where they are molded, I want good value at a reasonable price.

I would not put higher priced tires on my semi where I would use them up before they age out. I did construction and was off road in conditions we will never encounter in our campers and never had any issues that were any different than any other brand.

You must appreciate the fact that if I can stomach owning a bus put together in Canada the Chinese tires certainly do not bother me.

I put 1,100,000 miles on my Pete before I sold it and I do not recall any differences in tires from one brand to another accept price and there was many many sets that truck went thru during that time.

If you feel more comfortable with American made products you can also find those in a price range comparable to the Chinese brands.

If a guy feels safer with the big M and can afford the premium, God bless. I can't.

The skins I am running now are hand me downs. I make sure they have sufficiant air I keep my speed down and I do not run in the extreem heat of the afternoon.



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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 09:23:34 AM »

"You must appreciate the fact that if I can stomach owning a bus put together in Canada "

Care to explain this comment?
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 09:38:30 AM »

"Here is proof that even if you do run them bald before they age out they are still a good choice"
   And ... still waiting for the "proof "Wink

   I too would like to hear also what Canadian built buses have to do with Chinese made tires  Sad

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 10:49:54 AM »

You might want to review this thread http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=13777.0

I did a Google and Bling search and didn't come up with much. It looks like our own Board has more experience than anything I've found! Cool
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 01:17:01 PM »

I have run them on fuel tankers and were not impressed.  The company purchased them through Les Schwab.  The tires wore out quicker than other brands (which is probably not much of a problem on a bus conversion), but the real problem is that they easily picked up debris and had to be repaired.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 07:43:37 PM »

I have about 10000 miles on the double coins I bought.  I have not had a lick of trouble with them.  I decided on them for the price at the time.  I have since discovered Michelin is part owner of double coin.  You have to remember hardly anything we buy is made here anymore. I like rolling slow anyway.  I cruise along at about 55 mph.  On a long straight I might go 65 mph.  I do believe we are OK olling double coin. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2010, 05:15:34 AM »

The proof is the charter company that rolled into Choo-choo that is currently using them.

I am all for American made products but wouldn't it be slightly hipocritical of me to bash the Chineese when I am driving a bus manufactured in Canada?
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2010, 05:57:14 AM »

I am all for American made products but wouldn't it be slightly hipocritical of me to bash the Chineese when I am driving a bus manufactured in Canada?

America could mean North America, but then we would be including Mexico.  Canada and China are worlds apart.  I have no issues buying anything from Canada.  I do have issues buying from China, but I often have no real choice.

Canada has similiar standards of living, pollution controls, and other regulations as the USA does.  China pays workers little, has lots of pollution, and few regulations.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2010, 07:10:45 AM »

I am all for American made products but wouldn't it be slightly hipocritical of me to bash the Chineese when I am driving a bus manufactured in Canada?

America could mean North America, but then we would be including Mexico.  Canada and China are worlds apart.  I have no issues buying anything from Canada.  I do have issues buying from China, but I often have no real choice.

Canada has similiar standards of living, pollution controls, and other regulations as the USA does.  China pays workers little, has lots of pollution, and few regulations.

True, but missing the point...which is that it's hypocritical for a person to show prejudice against another country, but then get upset when someone else does the same. The actual countries in question are irrelevant - but naturally people tend to take it personally if one of them happens to be where they live.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2010, 07:24:02 AM »

The proof is the charter company that rolled into Choo-choo that is currently using them.


Joe, that isn't what Mike said.  He said they received a quote on those tires, not that they were running them.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2010, 07:51:38 AM »

I know of two charter companies in SoCal that run nothing but the Chinese tires (I think they are double coin but wouldn't swear to it) and have been for a while with no problems.  They get them for around $200.00 a tire.
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2010, 05:24:31 PM »

My tires are Japanese and, I think, Korean. Who cares?

The prejudice against China never ceases to amaze me?

So many things are made in foreign countries today that it makes no difference to me where it comes from as long as it is a good value.

Half the stuff I buy that is made in the USA is pure junk.

This stuff is really silly!!
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2010, 05:32:04 PM »

The prejudice against China never ceases to amaze me?

Have you ever worked in a factory or know someone who has?  Know anyone who has lost a job because a factory moved to China?

I like to see my fellow Americans have jobs which is why I avoid Chinese stuff when possible.  Someone I know has gone from working exclusively in the USA to flying to Mexico regularly to visit the plant when it moved there to visiting China now as the plant moved again.  He hates going to China as he is there for weeks to avoid airfare costs.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2010, 05:43:26 PM »

I like to buy American when I can also, but in today's world it's darn near impossible. Heck, go to WalMart or any other store, even auto parts and see where it comes from. It's much different than several years ago. I remember when I was a kid joking about the Japanese, now look at what we get from them. Some of the Made in USA stuff is not of very good quality either. We are a nation of consumers, not manufacturers anymore.

I see both sides, but please let's respect one anothers opinion.
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 08:55:47 PM »

I don't really care where they were made.  I agree the tires are a good price, that is why there were buying them.  They are actually probably a good choice for a bus conversions that has access to a spare and not really driven that many miles.  But from a commercial use standpoint they picked up a lot of debris compared to the Michelins and Yokohamas we switched to.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2010, 05:02:43 AM »

I  have one on steer that I had to buy after a blowout..It just doesn't feel right and the wear pattern  is irregular....moving it to tag and putting another Michelian(sp) on steer..I believe in Buy American when possible...Bob
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2010, 05:35:29 AM »

I believe in buying locally and supporting your fellow citizens as well, but Michelin - may be a fine tire, my personal experience was bad (OEM fitment on my truck, all failed prematurely due to sidewall cracking, no warranty support) but a French company with world wide manufacturing is about the definition of world-citizen corporation, and fully supports the argument to buy a product from whom-ever and where-ever it is made to your standard of quality, price and  availability.

http://www.michelin.com/corporate/front/templates/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=12&lang=EN

It looks to me like Michelin and Double Coin were partners in the past, co-owners of a Chinese tire manufacturing company Shanghai Michelin Warrior Tire Co., but Double Coin bought out of it last year.  This article says Michelin and Double Coin will continue to collaborate, whatever that means.

http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/news/story.aspx?id=10538503

My own "buy local" means I take the five minute drive to town to chat with my tire guy.  I tell him what I need, and he uses his 40 years in the tire business and his experience selling thousands of tires annually to recommend a tire that that will suit my needs, sells it to me at a lower price than I have ever been able to find elsewhere, mounts them and installs them with a torque wrench, gives me a coupon to remind me to come back after 100 miles for free re-torquing, and on cars and pickups at least will do free rotation for the life of the tires.  He also mounts and balances my race tires for free, even though I don't buy them from him.  Now THAT is buying locally and supporting your local business, and why I do that!

I could care less where the tires are made.  All I need is a quality product at a good price.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2010, 06:20:36 AM »

I sincerely apologize to anyone I offended with my poor choice of words.

I would always hope or assume that others would be as passionate about their country of origin as I am.

Back to tires.

I would like to believe that 25 years of opporating a tractor trailer taught me a few things one being about tires. I did better than 30,000 dollars of business with my tire distributor over the last decade and that was for 1 perticular rig & trlr that I alone drove every mile that was put on it.

Above everything else I came to the conclusion that the biggest difference from one brand or another is the price. I would also assume that someone with a long background in any buisness would tend to be more comfortable doing things that folks from other walks of life would not.

Happy 4th of July everyone and God Bless America...........we need it more than ever with all the knuckleheads like me running around on Chinese tires.


Maybe I will have a bumper sticker made up that says stay back I'm running Chineese tires and they could blow at any miniute..........keep all the tailgaters back.



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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2010, 01:32:58 PM »

Just to clarify again on the double coins, our tankers never had a blow out, they just picked up road debris easily.  Seemed that we always had bolts, pieces of metal, etc in the tires and often had leaks.  We were calling the tire guys every other day dealing with 35 tankers and trailers.  With the Michelins and Yokohamas (primarily Yokohamas, but we used Michelins on the big 445 super singles on the trailers), there is a call to the tire guy about once every other week.  It got to the point that our dispatchers had to look up the tire guys number as they didn't call it as often.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2010, 02:48:56 PM »

Interestingly I've never seen any barbs about French (Freedom?), Korean, Japanese or Taiwan tires, just Chinese??

Very mysterious!
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2010, 03:54:48 PM »

I think it has  to do with the way that the Chinese seem to be winning the race these days, owning all the debt and all they way they do.  They do things they way we used to do them 100 years ago, before we got all environmental and safety conscious.  Plus they build things to a spec, and an awful lot of stuff they build is spec'd to a very low standard.  they can build things to a very high spec as well, if they are asked to.  I don't know what the answer is, nor the question, I'm just trying to get along.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2010, 04:22:21 PM »

It disappoints me to hear all the Canada, Mex, China and Japan mfr bashing.  The bad manufacturers are weeded out as they should be, in this country alone, with suits that cost them a ton and generate bad publicity.  That is the way our system works and that alone keeps them honest.  Cap the lawsuit award limits and relieve the regs and see what you get EVERY BLESSED TIME.  So lets abolish tort law and unleash the horrors of unimpeded capitalism that has never in history been saddled with a conscience.

That being said:  It isn't  the Free Trade that we have been treated to this past 20 years that has ruined our economy.  It is the lack of FAIR trade.  First the creeps give a HUGE advantage to offshore and then they cripple our ability to compete.  Any first year college freshman can explain to you why free trade will improve the "life" of the citizens of both trading countries.  Workers and buyers alike.

For cars, Kuhmo (?) has had a really good rep for years and I understand it is only getting better.  As a brand it has gotten pretty good reviews from the Lexus guys on that forum.  They tend to be critical of almost everything.  Good group though and very helpful.

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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2010, 04:45:01 PM »

before we got all environmental and safety conscious.  That safety stuff is why coal costs so much.  If we could just let the mine owners do things in a common sense and profitable way the cost of coal would plummet.  I heard a guy say the other day that the military should not get any special medical treatment for the wounds they suffer in combat BECAUSE "they knew what the were getting into when they enlisted".   I guess that goes for coal miners and Enron employees with no pension and those foolish enuf to live on the Gulf coast.

And let us never forget the excesses of the court settlements for Love Canal.  Every chem company got paranoid after that and started selling their properties to break the chain of ownership and avoid law suit liabilities.  Some operations were moved to Bhopal, India.  Those Indianese knew what they were getting into when they moved into that neighborhood or were moved in on by that chem plant.

A black friend related a conversation he overheard on his front porch.   His Daddy and uncles were looking at a curvaceous 15 year old walking down the dirt road in a dress she had clearly outgrown and his Daddy said "now some daxx FOOL is going to go and ruin that with education".   We got to cut the fat from the Gummint budget and those school teachers are the first that should have to go.  Doc's Daddy would be in favor of that but for different reasons than you might imagine(I hope)....lots of folk have a ax to grind or "funny" ideas.  These are not my ideas, for clarification before Dallas hits me. Grin

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2010, 07:30:46 PM »

If we are still talking about tires here....I have run DoubleCoin on some of my tractors/trailers and have to say that I believe they are a good value, and probably a great deal (financially speaking) for BusNuts who need decent tires but don't have the budget that a revenue operation has.

I would buy DoubleCoin to put on my bus (if I had a bus) rather than another premium tire that cost more but I would not be able to run out mileage wise before the casing checked or dated out.

Did I communicate that clearly?

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2010, 08:02:01 PM »

Lest we forget.. a good number of the companies in China are American owned, operated or have a significant interest.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2010, 08:27:07 PM »

Did I communicate that clearly?  Sure, you will be in Cleveland on Sept 14th. I got it. Roll Eyes Grin

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2010, 08:37:02 PM »

before we got all environmental and safety conscious.   That safety stuff is why coal costs so much.  If we could just let the mine owners do things in a common sense and profitable way the cost of coal would plummet.  I heard a guy say the other day that the military should not get any special medical treatment for the wounds they suffer in combat BECAUSE "they knew what the were getting into when they enlisted".   I guess that goes for coal miners and Enron employees with no pension those foolish enuf to live on the Gulf coast.

And let us never forget the excesses of the court settlements for Love Canal.  Every chem company got paranoid after that and started selling their properties to break the chain of ownership and avoid law suit liabilities.  Some operations were moved to Bhopal, India.  Those Indianese knew what they were getting into when they moved into that neighborhood or were moved in on by that chem plant.

A black friend related a conversation he overheard on his front porch.   His Daddy and uncles were looking at a curvaceous 15 year old walking down the dirt road in a dress she had clearly outgrown and his Daddy said "now some daxx FOOL is going to go and ruin that with education".   We got to cut the fat from the Gummint budget and those school teachers are the first that should have to go.  Doc's Daddy would be in favor of that but for different reasons than you might imagine(I hope)....lots of folk have a ax to grind or "funny" ideas.  These are not my ideas, for clarification before Dallas hits me. Grin

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