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« on: July 01, 2010, 05:25:06 AM »

Click on the link

http://journalstar.com/news/local/article_696620fc-84b2-11df-baa3-001cc4c03286.html


Edit--- I found another link. Guess what?

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100701/NEWS01/707019811#fiery-i-80-crash-kills-2
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 05:42:40 AM »

Obviously I have a vested interest in this story.  One site says it was a tire failure.  The other does not mention the cause. 

If you find out more about the fire, I would appreciate the information.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 05:57:28 AM »

We obviously don't have all the details yet. Something catastrophic happened for it to engulf the entire motorhome in seconds. Either a gas tank rupture or, more likely, a propane tank or line.
It's sad that they were unable to evacuate in time.

Please post more info if you find it.

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 10:24:52 AM »

I'll keep watching for more info guys. It's strange that we were just talking about something like this.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 11:19:53 AM »

Sad loss . . .   Sad
From the sketchy information, sounds like there were multiple things going wrong in rapid succession.

As can happen when a tire fails & starts beating the crap out of everything within reach.

I am interested in learning more details to see if there is something I need to improve upon on mine . . .
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 11:31:46 AM »

Think about what happens in a blowout.

You start with a heavy rubber and steel container, which fails catastrophically.  In doing so, fragments may be sent in all directions, not to mention a "pinwheel" of tread whipping around.

Imagine a chunk of steel-reinforced tread ripping through a propane line, striking sparks as it goes, which fills the coach with gas in a matter of seconds before something sparks it.

Care to bet that this S&S motorhome had a single door, halfway back?  And that they had locked the door?

Consider this a good reminder to make sure your fuel lines are protected from blowouts (on a bus, this is generally the case, but MAKE SURE).
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 12:08:59 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 03:38:59 PM »

Alright, Dallas,
There you go, expecting us to use that thing called perspective.  Next thing ya know, you'll want us to apply SENSE!  I don't want to fan any flames, but I have to admire your courage in expressing your opinion, and I have to agree.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 03:47:42 PM »

OK, one more comment.  BG6, I don't want to discourage any sharing of information here, just offering my opinion.  I have to confess to have been guilty of expressed my opinion before having thought it through; a mistake I still make at times.  I have to remind myself that sometimes there are factors I haven't yet considered, or haven't been made known that might put a different perspective on things.  Good thread, by any count, guys.  Keep on sharing what you find and what you think.  That's what makes us all think this stuff through.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 04:24:38 PM »

BG6, I really wish you would quit using sensationalism in this kind of post.

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Imagine a chunk of steel-reinforced tread ripping through a propane line, striking sparks as it goes, which fills the coach with gas in a matter of seconds before something sparks it.

The tanks are filled to 250 psi. MAX. If they are close enough to the tire to have the regulator ripped off, then that would be a different story, but, then the gas wouldn't get into the coach, would it?

If you say so.  Gee, I hate to be sensationalistic, so I won't tell you about the things I've seen happen right in front of me, or which I've come up on a few minutes afterward.  I don't want to tell you about the accident reports that I've read, those are pretty sensationalistic, too. 

Instead, I will just point out that two people are dead because their motorhome was fully engulfed in flame before they were able to stop after a tire blew out, and wait for your non-sensationalistic explanation for how it happened.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 04:58:40 PM »

Scott >  Thanks for posting the thread.   I remember growing up less that 7 miles away from the I-80 Beaver interchange being built and paved south to hwy 6.

We can all speculate what has happened.   Using compasion in these situations is always the higher road.  Dallas we all have our opinions.   I can take offense with your statement.    "Or those that want a 'total electric' coach because propane is so dangerous?"    Maybe some of us have young children aboard the coach and have see the stove gas valves constantly played with.  It is a personal choice.    This is a forum to express ones view.    It would be nice to have the resident NTSB as a forum member.   


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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 05:01:31 PM »

Guys, Let's get back on the topic and leave out the what if's. If we stay on topic, we might learn something we can apply to our own coach.

I read both links and did not find any details on what happened. I think it's safe to assume the tire blew and he lost control. We still haven't heard what caused the fire.

It would be interesting to find out what happened to cause such a tragic loss. I pray I never have to experience the loss that those poor families are dealing with.

I would sure hate to lock a useful topic!

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 05:35:41 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 06:53:52 PM »

I agree with Dallas.  No, celebrations are NOT in order.  Happens often.  I agree mostly and it all makes sense.  I think the new tanks even stop the flow if they senses a line broken and the flow too high.  Didn't know they continue to regulate cause my furnace has a heck of a flame.

A friend was camping up at a logging camp.  He said one night he was in the bedroom and he heard a loud WHUMP and saw flames coming from under the sink which also housed the furnace.  It was late fall and he had the furnace on all day.  He said he ran for the door that was amidships and directly opposite the sink and "BARELY MADE IT".  He said as he looked over his shoulder he saw flames engulf the center of the S&S and completely block the door.  Regulated slow leak?  Not what he described.  But I know the tanks have a safety mech in them.  I have also used them to fuel HUGE burners for boiling corn.  I thought they would trip out but they didn't and nothing in any RV uses gas at the rate of those burners....nothing.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 07:29:38 PM »

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It really pisses me off when people describe things like propane as "Dangerous" ..... Gee's, what about the idiot's 



Because as a individual on this forum I have made a choice to have a all electric coach.   And because I do not want the risk of fire caused by a propane explosion.   I don't want the risk.   And I make the choice not to have it in my coach.   

FYI,  I have a 1000 and 500 gallon  tank with 150 feet of buried gas line to supply propane to my home and business.   I am aware of how safe it can be.    However for my coach I have made a personal choice to run a all electric coach.   I'm sorry that I pissed you OFF for feeling that way.   As far as calling people idiots  >>   Go to page 18  March 2008 issue BCM  >> what hypocrite!
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