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« on: November 06, 2010, 09:37:22 AM »

Hello,

I am going to look at an 1967 MC5 today for kicks and curiosity.  And you know what that could mean... LOL  Anyway, not too familiar with these and was hoping someone could tell me what to look for specifically.  The seller says it was a custom coach from Florida.  Any help would be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 10:09:12 AM »

Look for rust on the front if rivets are missing or loose and rust streaks from the rivets be prepared and at the rear also check the engine compartment close and the engine rails and above the blowers and last the radiator cores if the fins are loose then prepared for new  cores,plenty to look for on a 43 year bus


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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 10:41:48 AM »

Check the fluid levels in the rear end and the drop box make sure that the input shaft seal to the drop box is not leaking.
The drop box is a very expensive item to replace.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 03:19:09 PM »

Turns out to be a 1964.  8v71, 4 spd.  Interior looks excellent, does look like a custom coach.  Perkins 12k diesel gen, central air and an engine generator in addition to the alternator.  Been sitting for a couple years.  They claim all was well when parked.  I only got to give it a glance today, but they say if I want to come back later, they can get new batteries and get it running for me if I am still interested.  Asking $7,000.  The body looks pretty clean.  I just don't know if is my imagination or not, but it looks like the passenger side body lines are a little bowed as compared to the driver side.  What could this indicate?  Sagging frame? 
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 03:32:02 PM »

Here are some pics

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 03:39:02 PM »

it does appear to have a bit of a sag on the one side doesn't it?
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 04:37:27 PM »

A few more pics

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 04:45:27 PM »

A few more of the inside of the bays

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 05:02:02 PM »

Interior shots through the window...  Door was locked.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 08:38:25 PM »

I don't think I saw anything really nasty.  Interior looks old and dark, but that could be the picture.  The exterior seems okay.  Am I missing something?
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 09:09:53 PM »

I don't think I saw anything really nasty.  Interior looks old and dark, but that could be the picture.  The exterior seems okay.  Am I missing something?

The only thing I was worried about was the passenger side of the bus.  It looks a little saggy toward the middle, unless it is an optical illusion.  Didn't know if this was a known trouble area or not.  Frame sagging or something.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2010, 07:23:31 AM »

The bay door release lever if left open will put a dent in the side  of the bus just below the window, that may be what you see.             
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2010, 07:29:45 AM »

That warped power pole and the camera angle may be part of it too. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »

The bay door release lever if left open will put a dent in the side  of the bus just below the window, that may be what you see.             
       Glen

Excellent observation.  I think you might be right because if you pan down, you can see the breaks in the stainless are straight below the distorted area.  Thanks.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2010, 02:18:23 PM »

On that apparent sag, it also may just be the trim under the window.  That coach (if it has a nice genset) could really be a steal.

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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2010, 02:50:38 PM »

Check why the electrical panel has a whole row taped over. Fireworks??.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2010, 08:56:01 PM »

I think there is something with the sag, not only the trim but also the bottom of the window drops. Please note that the other side pic (same camera, light, etc) seems to be arrow-straight. I would take a harder look (and bargain accordingly).
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2010, 09:26:47 PM »

Marc;
 Next time you are there bring a string line with you and pull it from one end to the other and check the bottom also. Now after measuring each see if it is only the top line or both top and bottom. If only the  window line then possibly just the trim if both maybe rust weakening or sagging?

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 07:10:29 AM »

Marc;
 Next time you are there bring a string line with you and pull it from one end to the other and check the bottom also. Now after measuring each see if it is only the top line or both top and bottom. If only the  window line then possibly just the trim if both maybe rust weakening or sagging?

Dave

Good idea.  It did look like at the middle area of the sag, the trim was a little loose, but this means nothing.  Could still be either situation.  I will do that.  Is this something you have seen before?  The last thing I would want to get into is a big unseen rusty mess.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2010, 07:19:18 AM »

The MC-5 is a monocoque frame.  If it has sagged or bowed out in the middle of the side, something catastrophic would have happened to cause that.  It should be really obvious that something has happened - the doors won't line up, the bay floors will be wrong, the passenger floor will show something, the roof line would show something.  There is no "frame" to sag, I guess is my point, the whole bus would have to sag and I can't quite imagine what could have caused that.  The whole side being pushed in could have been a truck hitting it - the side being pushed out - maybe some sumo wrestlers?   Wink

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2010, 07:34:10 AM »

The MC-5 is a monocoque frame.  If it has sagged or bowed out in the middle of the side, something catastrophic would have happened to cause that.  It should be really obvious that something has happened - the doors won't line up, the bay floors will be wrong, the passenger floor will show something, the roof line would show something.  There is no "frame" to sag, I guess is my point, the whole bus would have to sag and I can't quite imagine what could have caused that.  The whole side being pushed in could have been a truck hitting it - the side being pushed out - maybe some sumo wrestlers?   Wink

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LOL.  I get the picture.  So when they talk about rust, where are the problem areas?  Could there be rust in the ribs that would cause this sort of thing?  In person, it didn't really look bad at all.  But the more I looked at the pictures after the fact, the more obvious the distortion became.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2010, 08:07:59 AM »

Maybe just the paint line was off and makes it look bowed?

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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2010, 02:20:50 PM »

I wouldn't panic until you can get a string or laser on it.  It would be nice if you could get it moved out in the open.

Beat on the sides with your fist and listen carefully for rust flakes falling.
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2010, 06:06:31 PM »

Went back to have another look at the MC5.  Got to go inside, too.  After another look at the passenger side, I can now see that the sag is very exaggerated looking in the picture.  The apparent sag is more of a bulge.  I beat on it with  my fist and it is solid as a rock, no loose or rusty rivets at all. 

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The interior is pretty dated, but workable.  Needs flooring and re-upholstery and a major deep clean.  A lot of royal blue. Has a rear lounge that converts into a queen.  It was getting dark, so I couldn't see well.  Had to use the flash and look at the pics on the camera just to see some areas.

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2010, 06:38:43 PM »

The stainless sure looks nice; not all dinged up; bumpers are good; glass looks good too. We have MC-5 #5401 (1965) with the 8V71 and 4 speed. Its a great coach. Ours was a Greyhound in Texas so its got lots of miles on it. The 35 footer is nice for getting around in some of the smaller campgrounds and state parks. It cruises real nice at 73 mph the way our governor is set up. Overall the coach looks nice. 

Don't kid yourself on these things though. There is enough rust in some of the photos that would tell me that working on the drive train and suspension is going to require patience and heat. Torsion arm bolts will probably be frozen/rusted. Same with air bag bolts. Areas above the engine compartment where the blowers and radiators could be structurally compromised. (Nothing a little welding won't fix!)  But its a real good sign if you don't hear anything falling when you pound on the stainless sidewalls.

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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2010, 06:45:28 PM »

The stainless sure looks nice; not all dinged up; bumpers are good; glass looks good too. We have MC-5 #5401 (1965) with the 8V71 and 4 speed. Its a great coach. Ours was a Greyhound in Texas so its got lots of miles on it. The 35 footer is nice for getting around in some of the smaller campgrounds and state parks. It cruises real nice at 73 mph the way our governor is set up. Overall the coach looks nice. 

Don't kid yourself on these things though. There is enough rust in some of the photos that would tell me that working on the drive train and suspension is going to require patience and heat. Torsion arm bolts will probably be frozen/rusted. Same with air bag bolts. Areas above the engine compartment where the blowers and radiators could be structurally compromised. (Nothing a little welding won't fix!)  But its a real good sign if you don't hear anything falling when you pound on the stainless sidewalls.

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Thanks Fred, I just might take you up on that offer to call.

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2010, 07:02:02 PM »

I have to laugh as the real story of how long this bus has been sitting is coming forth.  It has gone from 2 to 4 years after talking to 2 different people.  Probably means even more.  What kind of trouble does this spell?  

Positives...

12k diesel genset
engine generator
excellent body, stainless and glass
10,000 lb. receiver hitch
"formerly working?" intact coach a/c
air seat
nice workable interior

Known negatives...

Old tires
Sitting for years
Needs cosmetic interior work
Bad rear air bags
No house batteries
The unknown....


Price is down to $5,000, by the way.
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2010, 07:35:15 PM »

jumpsuitman.... I just noticed you are from NC too.. What part of the state are you from?Huh
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2010, 07:56:36 PM »

jumpsuitman.... I just noticed you are from NC too.. What part of the state are you from?Huh

Ah, just 25 minutes down the road in Matthews.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2010, 08:00:26 AM »

jumpsuitman.... I just noticed you are from NC too.. What part of the state are you from?Huh

Ah, just 25 minutes down the road in Matthews.

Ohhh ok... so we are almost neighbors...  Let me know if you would be interested in a seated coach because I know where a nice 78 MC-8 is..
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