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« on: November 28, 2010, 01:25:08 PM »

I removed my air compressor governor to replace it like two weeks ago when it was 60 degrees here.  I couldn't finish the repair at that time because one of the air line connectors was all bunged up.

It has been very cold for the past two weeks so I put off finishing the repairs.  It is nearly 50 degrees today so I figured I better finish the job.  The new governor went back on just fine, but the two air lines to the governor are an inch too short!  I checked and the governor is the exact same size so no idea why the lines aren't long enough now.  Maybe the cold did something I don't know.

I'll have to get some new line tomorrow to fix this.  Yes, yes, I was supposed to repair this long ago, but the governor works just fine above freezing.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 01:35:42 PM »

Better check a little closer Brian lines don't shrink that much from cold weather


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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 01:38:32 PM »

upside down?

lines drooped and hung up down below?

something not right here...

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 01:50:45 PM »

Line adaptors need to be swapped over to the new governor?

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 02:12:16 PM »

OK, I'll be the first. 

I always blame my problem on the cold too Grin Grin

I am tired of giving "straight" answers all the time Wink

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 02:49:30 PM »

Line adaptors need to be swapped over to the new governor?

Yes, I swapped over the parts from the old governor.  I'm not sure what I should do about fixing this.  The lines run through a split loom until about 6 inches before the governor.  I don't know how they could be looped somewhere further back, and especially only an inch.  They were fairly tight to start with.

I guess I'm going to have to crawl underneath and check the entire length of the line to be sure something isn't amiss.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 03:01:30 PM »

Murphy's Laws:
1) Lines shorten by themselves.
2) an exact replica will not fit.
3) When several related parts can fail, they will do it in the order to cause maximum inconvenience.
4) Parts failure is intimately related to weather. Roofs break during thunderstorms, exhausts in the middle of Death Valley, and so on.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 03:06:48 PM »

can you just extend fittings a inch or two where hoses attach?
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 03:07:14 PM »

Brian, better than finding a warm garage to tow it to, just tow it to Florida where uts still warm and your sure to get your bus fixed. Just think of the fuel milage you will get wuth mo ;Dney to spare!    Grin
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 03:16:21 PM »

Brian sounds like they are hung up somewhere. But if they were tight already I'd just add 3-4"s to each one with a compression fitting. (shoot the nut and ferrule is already there on one side! Wink)

And a full set of Carhart bib overalls, jacket, coveralls, hat and gloves are much cheaper than a tow bill!
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 04:05:13 PM »

can you just extend fittings a inch or two where hoses attach?

I decided to extend the air lines instead.  I did end up finding a NAPA store that had the right parts today, but I ended up dropping one of the parts on the ground so I couldn't finish today.  (The NAPA just down the street was totally confused about plastic air line.)

I like Bryce's idea of insulated clothing.  The local farm and fleet type place has a sale on that stuff right now.  My plan is to crawl underneath tomorrow afternoon or Tuesday afternoon when I get home from work.

Ace, I'll send you the bill for the tow to Florida.  Can you send me your credit card number?  I gotta get this fixed so I can get to Florida.  It shouldn't be a big deal.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 04:59:52 PM »

Yeah BK is right about the clothes.  I have changed starters etc..at -32, if you wrap up real warm you can even use bare hands for a minute of two without getting frostbite, as the heat of you entire systems keeps them warm.  BTW it is  simple thermal dynamics that often cause thing to fail when it's cold.  If you like breaking plastic car parts,  come hang out in central or eastern canada, we know about cold.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 06:32:20 PM »

I work in the cold alot and ride my m/c in the winter. I have several pairs of insulated jeans and layer up pretty good. Usually if working in the bus with a small heater going, the jeans, wool socks, nylon vest over a fleece is good and then a hooded sweatshirt if outside. Hat is important as is keeping neck area covered. My hands are the weak link and i dont like gloves. Wool glove liners with the fingers cut out are great and so are those cheap rubber coated gloves.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2010, 08:24:36 PM »

Doesn't much matter how much you wear if you happen to be blessed with Raynaud's phenomenon.  Sad
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 02:11:27 AM »

Oh come on guys! What's the deal with men? You all know things shrink in the cold lol Deal with it! Cheesy Wink Grin
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2010, 09:05:10 AM »

OMG! happycamperbrat I thought that was a man secret LOL Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2010, 09:33:56 AM »

Belfert, I like ace's idea. Just do like Rosann would do in her TV show. Send your fuel bill cheque to the tow company and the tow cheque to the fuel company. Tell the fuel company you did not need the fuel because you had it towed and tell the tow company you did not need it towed because you had plenty of fuel. They will be confused and give up on you. Grin
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2010, 12:12:21 PM »

That's not a secret, women have known about that for thousands of years. Grin
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2010, 12:23:14 PM »

I often have that same problem both with wires and pipes.  Cut it three times and it's still too short.  Can't figure it out.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2010, 12:27:41 PM »

That's not a secret, women have known about that for thousands of years.

Is that why you get the cold shoulder at home from time to time? LOL

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2010, 12:36:23 PM »

That's why i try to stay in warm climates. Grin
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2010, 12:45:17 PM »

Me too Ed. It's 80* here today.
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 12:58:00 PM »

Shrinkage is only an issue if it's marginal to start with...Cable
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2010, 01:51:24 PM »

I was hoping to report this repair done today, but it is 40 degrees and raining.  Cold I can deal with, but cold and wet I would prefer to stay away from.  I probably won't get this done now until Saturday when it is supposed to be 28 degrees.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2010, 05:05:20 PM »

You should wait to try to fix it until the day before you're supposed to leave for FL.  These guys on here are all just waiting for your report.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 05:24:03 PM »

You should wait to try to fix it until the day before you're supposed to leave for FL.  These guys on here are all just waiting for your report.  Roll Eyes

Absolutely not!  I need to get this done ASAP.  This simple repair has been fighting me every step of the way.  It should have been unbolt the old one and the air lines, transfer the two fittings over to the new one, bolt the new governor on and reconnect the air lines.

I forgot all about it until about 3 or 4 weeks ago.  I've had the part for two years.
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 06:31:47 PM »

happycamperbrat...

Are you attending Arcadia?

We need this kind of informed correction.

happy coaching!
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 06:36:38 PM »

off wall idea hair drier warm air lines make more flexable.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2010, 07:28:50 PM »

Brain:

Do you have a cutting torch. Just take an inch out of the center of your bus, that should do it and you won't be cold using the torch!!! Pull it together with a come-a-long and the hoses will reach. Make sure you block the bus up 1st.

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2010, 07:36:02 PM »

Shrinkage is only an issue if it's marginal to start with.
I guess that's why she says we're moving to Arizona.  Grin
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 02:05:31 AM »

Arcadia? Gee...... I wish! Nope. It's good to see there are at least a few men who admit to their "shortcomings" though!

Okay, I think I've embarrassed myself enough lmao!!
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2010, 08:07:56 AM »

You're not talking about air lines anymore are you...Cable
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2010, 10:30:19 AM »

Teresa -

Don't be embarrassed - that was one funny line!

At least you got a rise out of some folk!   Shocked

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2010, 07:15:06 PM »

I spent most of my evening working on my bus in the 25 degree weather.  I got the starting batteries replaced and the air governor replaced.  I also checked the lines to the air governor to make sure they weren't kinked somewhere.  Unfortunately, the gasket for the air governor got damaged so it leaks and needs to be replaced.  I'll get another one tomorrow and try again tomorrow evening.

Bryce's suggestion to get a pair of insulated bib overalls really paid off as I stayed pretty warm despite the cold.

I'll keep at until Dec 24th if need be so I can head to Arcadia.  If the bus doesn't pan out I'll have to drive my car instead.
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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2010, 06:22:21 AM »

I have found that repair jobs like to 2-3Xs longer than I think they will.  If I X3 my estimate to adjust for this the job will take 6 to 9X longer.  So I struggle on in ignorance, hope for the best and once in awhile something gets done faster than I expect, but I am still always behind schedule!!!?Huh  When I was in my twenties I would correct for this by working 20 hr days to catch up, but now I just accept it as the price of doing business and sometimes hiring a bunch of young guys to hustle it through.
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