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« on: January 15, 2011, 08:15:34 AM »

There have been quite a few ECM (Engine Control Module) being stolen right off the engines.  Granted trucks are far easier to get to by just flipping up the hood, but all of you with electronic engines might be a bit wary.  The thieves unbolt the ECM and just cut all the electrical lines to it for a quick and sloppy removal.  While the new ECM is costly-mainly because you now don't have a core, rewiring is expensive.  Course, with L.A. Freightliner being a factory approved repair shop, we have to remove all the cut wiring and replace it with a new wiring loom-rather then just splicing the new ECM in. 
I don't know why the engine manufacturers continue to put the ECM's directly mounted on the engines.  I would think they would want the ECM inside the cab where it is sheltered from vibration, wet, cold, heat, dust and dirt.  But-then again, I'm not the manufacturer.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 08:29:35 AM »

Interesting post.  Might consider more secure mounting screws for the ECM.  One way or prison head screws might be a good idea.

When I installed burglar bars on a house years ago, I used flat head Phillips and drilled out the slots.

All that would make it more difficult for you to remove it but might be worth the pain.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 11:25:36 AM »

  I didnt know where else to mention this, but this is probably as good of place as any considering the subject. There is an increasing likelyhood of someone in the near future (NK, China, Iran, etc...), detonating a Nuclear weapon high above the Central US, approx 300 miles up, with the sole purpose to create an EMP (electromagnetic pulse). It is a serious enough threat that many dept's at the top levels of Government are hardening against it. This is not a joke.

  I dont understand all the physics involved, but basically this "pulse" will fry anything with transistors and micro circuitry instantly, nation wide. It wont matter if its plugged in or not. Cell phones, TV's, Computers, all modern electronics will destroyed, including all cars and trucks with ECM's, and the entire national power grid. The only way to save anything electronic is to isolate it within a Faraday cage. Older cars with points ignition and generators will most likely survive, though the condensor might be fried. Generators that have diesels or standard ignition systems will likley survive, as will a lot of old tube type equipment, but not if its connected to the power grid. 

  I first heard of this several years ago, but thought is was BS Sci-fi bunk. But I was recently doing some required study and testing for firefighting qualifications, and one of the scenarios FEMA discussed was an EMP. With the increased amount of rocket testing thats been going on overseas, the potential of this situation has gained more attention by those who are watching. A book that was recently published, 'One Second After' by William Forstchen, has also gained the attention of several Congressmen.

  If you review the potential of this, and considered the possibilities, people stealing engine computers may have a completely different purpose than one might initially suspect. Having a pile of good useable electonics stashed away and EMP protected, they could be worth their weight in gold under the right circumstances. It may never happen, and I pray it doesnt, but that certainly wouldnt prevent a few nutcases freaking out and stockpiling things like this via theft. 

 
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 04:09:00 PM »

If that were to happen I think we would have far more important things to worry about than whether or not our cars will run.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 04:15:18 PM »

Most thieves aren't smart enough to stockpile stuff for a scenario that is unlikely to even happen.  More than likely they sell them for cash today to folks who don't care where they came from.

If an EMP did wipe out everything electronic there isn't going to a lot of demand for trucking at least until factories, warehouses, and other facilities come back online.  Almost everything is computerized these days.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 05:51:41 PM »

  I am convinced it is a very serious threat, and there are many sources that can be found to support that idea. Google "EMP". There is a very good description in Wikipedia, as well as many others.

  Its just something to consider, and thats why I posted it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 06:25:30 PM »

WHATTTTT HUUU oh the con trails will probably wipe them out?Huh

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 06:37:35 PM »

When this happens, of if, it is the beginning of the end as we know it. People would go crazy and food would be hard to come by. But, anyhow, how else can we protect them from the thieves.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 06:41:59 PM »

Same thing happen back in the 70's the thief's thought the catalytic converters were loaded with gold and they were stealing those from parked cars same now with gold and silver at all time highs they believe they can get rich fast maybe 1 gram of gold in a ECM and their not smart enough to even extract that
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2011, 06:50:47 PM »

Considering the price working used DDEC units can bring, my guess is that the majority of the ones stolen are by thieves that know exactly what they are stealing and where they can fence it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2011, 06:57:22 PM »

I agree Mike.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 07:34:04 PM »

I presume black helicopters and the rapture will also be involved in this operation??
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 07:42:56 PM »

> GUS... LOL
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 08:14:53 PM »

Personally, I am a lot more worried about catalytic converters being stolen than my ECM.  Thieves have been taking cordless sawzalls to cars in parking lots and removing catalytic converters.  Scrap yards would pay about $35 each for catalytic converters.  I haven't read anything in the paper recently about this.  Maybe the new laws at scrap yards about payment by check only and ID required scared them off.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2011, 10:44:58 PM »

  No one wanted to believe Japan would attack the US, even though it was suggested more than a decade in advance by Billy Mitchell, who was court marshalled for his outspoken opinion years before it took place. They named the Mitchell Bomber after him, posthumously.

  No one wanted to believe anyone would fly airliners full of passengers into the World Trade Center, even though that scenario was suggested years in advance.

  I doubt anyone would care a smidge about scrap gold value if an event of this magnitude took place. But the bartering value of a working ECM, in a world where nothing works, could be quite substantial. What would you hand over for one to be able to get back home?
  Anyway, sorry I brought it up. For those still interested, here is a report by the US Fed EMP commission. Though it should be noted that we have made virtually zero progress on any of the recommendations fr0m this report since it was created in 2004.

  http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:MOt_DLFMemEJ:www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf+threat+of+EMP&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgETZhXmwjdJ3NzD-zGVy3DjGBRxIQQJx6WNAu1vwCVUxtSRINCeAa3CWfILmiE_qxRNJbmWt18IEE48kKB4iVglatTR9SN6CIjXifpIfnCWahzmNXViACqROk4d8sSQuUysgbQ&sig=AHIEtbQQg_kitMgbKKFUD4QbNIaUUQcCqQ
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 01:40:33 AM »

Same thing happen back in the 70's the thief's thought the catalytic converters were loaded with gold and they were stealing those from parked cars same now with gold and silver at all time highs they believe they can get rich fast maybe 1 gram of gold in a ECM and their not smart enough to even extract that

It's platinum inside catalytic converters rather than gold. But the platinum is contained in a ceramic honeycomb and not exactly easy to get at.

As far as I can think, there not enough of anything worth recovering in solid-state electronic circuitry (eg ECMs) - however if you do want to recover decent amounts of gold then a good place to start is with the huge banks of relays in old-style telephone exchanges, before they went digital. The contacts inside the relays were gold, and quite easy to get at with a hammer and a pair of snips. But you still needed a huge number of relays to make the effort worthwhile - plus a very high boredom threshold and a very low opinion of the value of your time.

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PS. I won't comment on the likelyhood of a nuclear attack from some some rogue state - Len Silva has already summed that scenario up quite nicely.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 05:59:42 AM »

Back in the 60's and 70's we played out EMP scenarios in the Army This is not a new idea and most military electronics are EMP hardened.  It is possible that this could happen in the US but very unlikely. That said thieves don't think far enough ahead and probably have never heard of EMP to be stealing and storing ECM's. That would be too much like working and having a savings account for retirement.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 06:14:38 AM »

What version are they ripping off Tom the V makes no sense to try and resale the later version the serial number will pop up at any DD dealer if they ever go to the shop and DD hooks the laptop to it most of those are programed not to even start on a different engine .




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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 06:18:08 AM »

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This guys ready for the EMP--
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2011, 06:21:02 AM »

While the EMP threat is real and recognized by many, our greatest threat right now is the rising cost of living and the disappearance of the middle class, as more people fall below the poverty line the cost of maintaining any kind of normalcy for them is huge and any one of them could be anyone of us, the food we're seeing on the store shelves is irradiated to preserve the idea of freshness and laden with chemicals to promote rapid growth, most of the water is also an excersize in the marvels of modern chemistry, at what point does this come back to haunt us, many with buses can at least find some kind of refuge and many have the ability and perhaps the knowledge to provide alternatives to the store bought and chemically altered foods like the white flours that have lost any nutritional value.  How many here have had to realize the value of their buses after experiencing a "downsizing" in their particular job markets already and things won't be getting better any time soon, the government can come up with a huge number of new words to keep from saying depression but the fact remains that we've had some hard times and from all indicators things won't improve very soon.  This isn't intended to be political, just reality, we need each other to get thru hard times. The growth of the cancer rate is thought to be directly related to what we consume and what is chemically added to it to make it easier to market and to extend shelf life, other ailments seem to fall along the same path.  Thieves will always be grabbing what they feel they can make a quick buck on, the real danger to us is our lifestyles and what we are doing, debtwise and consuming.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2011, 08:50:15 AM »

...many with buses can at least find some kind of refuge...


Cool, I'm a survivalist and I never knew it!

Now I just need to get an elephant gun to deal with those pesky Graboids...

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2011, 09:32:04 AM »

Actually the EMP turned out to be the best way to deal with the Graboids. BUT, you can always use another elephant gun Wink

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2011, 09:42:57 AM »

Escalation!!!
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2011, 09:43:07 AM »

  Well, this is another one of those times when keeping my big mouth shut would have been a much better idea.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2011, 09:54:11 AM »

This EMP bunk was originated way back in the '80s by the loonies in a couple of right wing think tanks closely tied to the defense industry. A small bit of research, other than Rush and Fox News, will show that the same wackos who started this nonsense also convinced a gullible bunch of us that Saddam had WMD and was buddies with al-Qaeda!! These were exposed as blatant lies. A great number of people still believe this stuff?

Most of the EMP is from Rush and Fox News!!

The real space threat is from our own US of A, we're the ones messing it up.
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 10:50:35 AM »

You guys pay attention to Gus I never knew that there were two sides of the news till he put me on to Fox with all the bad mouthing he did against Fox now I watch it everyday.
Oh he forgot to tell you guys Chris on Hardball had a segment a few years back on EMP that was the first I heard about and he is about as left as anybody so there is no right or left here Gus,why you always bring up the left,right deal for the life of me I don't know it just always starts a bunch of BS when you do. Me I am not to worried about it with Omoma,Nancy and Harry it will be alright lol



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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2011, 08:10:30 PM »

The only reason I brought it up is the EMP scare was originated by two or three of the brains who got us into the Iraq invasion mess.

Instead of getting hysterical about EMP destroying America I presumed it would help for any with open minds to know where this stuff originated.

Sorry, really sorry about introducing you to "Fair and Balanced" FN!! That is a terrible thing to have on ones conscience!! However, from the way you refer to the three people usually favored for right wing attacks I feel safe in thinking I didn't!

It is true that left or right is not all that important, but lies and intentional hysteria are kind of important.

If you look carefully you will notice that I never originate this stuff. If nobody ever questions this weird stuff some might think it is actually true.
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2011, 12:38:09 AM »

The only reason I brought it up is the EMP scare was originated by two or three of the brains who got us into the Iraq invasion mess.

   Thats kinda funny seeing as the damage from an EMP has been been known since the 1960's. To suggest it is something new since 9-11 is ludicrous. What is new are our new enemies and the types of weapons they are building and testing.
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2011, 02:49:04 PM »

Darn!  I was just showing Marilyn the original post, and nearly had her convinced that I needed to buy an old Pickup, without an ECM, then you guys had to go and blow my argument...;-)
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