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Author Topic: Smoking. Cracked ring...??? What to do  (Read 61541 times)
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2011, 08:08:21 PM »

I have been watching the oil closely from the time it first broke down.  It was down 2 quarts when I left Montgomery today and 65 miles later it was over by at least 2 quarts.  It's blowing a ton of fuel out the tailpipe, so I'm sure it's fuel.  

I feel a little vulnerable as well because if they deny it's their fault, I will be on the hook.  I hope their good reputation starts kicking in soon for me.  
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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2011, 08:13:25 PM »

it is a big deal on his coach. there is no clearance on the problem side to pull the valve cover, looks like he might have to pull blower.

  You gotta pull the blower to pull the rocker cover? I suppose thats on any V71? 92's too? I would imagine thats a tough little job in an MC5 eh?
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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2011, 08:15:22 PM »

it is a big deal on his coach. there is no clearance on the problem side to pull the valve cover, looks like he might have to pull blower.

  You gotta pull the blower to pull the rocker cover? I suppose thats on any V71? 92's too? I would imagine thats a tough little job in an MC5 eh?

From what I understand, it's an Eagle only issue.
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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2011, 08:17:09 PM »

You don't have that problem on every engine.  this is an issue of not having clearance between the engine and the bus body.  GMC's and MCI's you can pull both valve covers without pulling anything else like blowers etc.
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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2011, 08:20:18 PM »

 A broke fuel line is not going to blow out the tail pipe sounds like it pumping fuel down through cylinder wall is the engine missing you didn't tell me it was coming out the tail pipe.
Hold your ground you asked for repairs and they sent you down the road without repairing it right they will work with you probably no labor just parts


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« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2011, 08:24:56 PM »

Eagles pull air from both sides it not a problem on a 6v92TA or the 8v92TA only the 71 series

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« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2011, 08:27:54 PM »

I agree, knowing if there's a misfire would be key.

Although of course heavily diluted oil will tend to blow everywhere.

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« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2011, 08:40:22 PM »

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You gotta pull the blower to pull the rocker cover? I suppose thats on any V71? 92's too? I would imagine thats a tough little job in an MC5 eh?

GM can be done standing up. I can have the lower one off and on in less than 20 sec. Due to the Jakes crowding the valve cover to bulkhead clearance on the top head, it takes 3 min off/on. I have the two piece valve covers, and I don't think I could do the back like that with the one piece.
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« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2011, 08:55:20 PM »

A broke fuel line is not going to blow out the tail pipe sounds like it pumping fuel down through cylinder wall is the engine missing you didn't tell me it was coming out the tail pipe.
Hold your ground you asked for repairs and they sent you down the road without repairing it right they will work with you probably no labor just parts


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There's a lot of smoke on acceleration, I would assume it's fuel since it looks more white than blue.  It was missing when they first gave it back to me, when I brought it back, they adjusted it out and it was running smooth.  But today it started missing again. 
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« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2011, 10:14:50 PM »

OK again I side with Clifford on this. (as I usually do Wink )

I would have it towed and let them go in for a look. Then depending on what they say they have determined, it would depend on how loud I would get. First off being cool calm and firm usually goes a long way with getting results.
But if that don't work.............what does it hurt to let them know how ya really feel! Wink

Now on the other hand if I'd taken it to "Podunk's TRICYCLE & anything else shade tree shop" in BFE  and pretty well knew that chances of it getting warrantied were 0 to None. Then I might be tempted to change directions of what to do!

I had a bad fuel leak in the 8V92 DDEC in the first bus we ever owned and changed the oil every night in the hotel parking on a 4 day tour and babied it home to where we found that 6 of the 8 injectors housings were cracked all over. Replaced all 8 injectors and she was still running like a top when the guy we sold it too drove it out to CA!

SO I see both sides, but my $ is on going back to Williams and insisting it be fixed right! After all they are a big corp and not "Bubba's beef jerky & repair shop"
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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2011, 04:38:34 AM »


Now on the other hand if I'd taken it to "Podunk's TRICYCLE & anything else shade tree shop" in BFE... 

..."Bubba's beef jerky & repair shop" ...
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BK, you have a real knack for coming up with some names.  If I ever open a shop, I'll consult you.  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2011, 05:42:47 AM »

  I really think your going to be okay, but just in case, make sure you use your card to pay the bill.

  I would imagine that someone here knows somebody who knows a guy a Williams. If they are a big national heavy diesel repair outfit, bad publicity will always outspend good advertising. I would not be at all surprised if someone higher up at Williams is watching this event play out and would like nothing more than a well satisfied customer. I know I would if it was my company.

  Hang in there buddy, were all pulling for ya. Make sure you report back here before you make any big decisions, or start yelling at them, lol.
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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2011, 06:46:54 AM »

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 Did you by any chance hear back from W.W.Williams corp office yesterday? At the time we spoke I did not have your phone number yet . Also as of yet I have not heard from the branch in Columbia,SC yet. Any thing I can do just call...............
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« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2011, 06:53:17 AM »

The only thing yelling will do is get you shut down and out the door quickly.BUt be firm in letting them know your problem is worse now after leaving there shop. Now a phone call to a higher up at corporate will useually do the trick. Like you said before a good word of mouth is the best advertising they can get. They are not going to lose customers over giving you free labor on the fix. Williams didn't get that big by having bad service. But like any big corporation there are mistakes made. Hopefully Williams will step up to the plate and take care of it. Marc keep your head up and go in with 100% confidence they are going to take care of the problem, and we are all rooting for you!! !If not I know some guys in Chicago that knows some guys in Atlanta that can go in and talk to them with baseball bats!!! Just kidding !!!maybe ...No really just kidding!!!!  
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« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2011, 06:59:38 AM »

Hey just for reference, here's a 6-92 top end apart. Altough ours is a model 15 (102" wide) still a little tough to work on even for a string bean such as my self Grin

Heads off

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Heads on, and assembled

And completed

Here's Marc's engine bay

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