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Author Topic: Indiana Has a New Law, YOU need to know!  (Read 3761 times)
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« on: May 17, 2011, 12:43:39 PM »

In case you hadn't heard, MY home state (I'm sorry to say) has changed a law where the cops don't need a search warrant to come in.  Angry See this: http://hillbuzz.org/2011/05/16/indiana-supreme-court-to-magna-carta-4th-amendment-bite-us/
And I would certainly think that pertains to our "Mobile Domicile's". I understand that many laws are the same for our bus's as for homes. (guns, etc.)
So if you are traveling thru the Hoosierland, you might keep that in mind. I personally apologize for it. But the possible good news is, Judge Napolitano on FOX says it won't be able to hold up to the scrutiny of the U.S. Supreme Court.
I just thought this was a worthy topic to put out for people traveling thru.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 01:16:13 PM »

In case you hadn't heard, MY home state (I'm sorry to say) has changed a law where the cops don't need a search warrant to come in.  Angry See this: http://hillbuzz.org/2011/05/16/indiana-supreme-court-to-magna-carta-4th-amendment-bite-us/
And I would certainly think that pertains to our "Mobile Domicile's". I understand that many laws are the same for our bus's as for homes. (guns, etc.)
So if you are traveling thru the Hoosierland, you might keep that in mind. I personally apologize for it. But the possible good news is, Judge Napolitano on FOX says it won't be able to hold up to the scrutiny of the U.S. Supreme Court.
I just thought this was a worthy topic to put out for people traveling thru.
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I am a big supporter of Law Enforcement but this isn't a change in the law, it's another example of "Judicial Activism".  I agree that it's likely to not withstand a Supreme Court review but if somebody wants to make this a law in any state, it should go through the legislature -- and the legislaturers should have to withstand the scrutiny that stupid moves will bring them.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 01:20:58 PM »

I am sitting on my hands on this one. THIS IS WHY I LIVE IN TEXAS. I will fight for my rights with arms. It will not hold up in suprime court but it will until they get it stopped.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 01:42:31 PM »

I spent about two months in Fort Wayne one week about twenty years ago.  Didn't leave anything there and have no need to go back.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 02:08:21 PM »

I dont care who it is if they come into my house without me knowing it the results will be ugly.  I cant see this law sticking, atleast I hope not. I believe it will do more harm then good.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 03:55:44 PM »

I really thought Hoosierville had it's --it together, in one sock and that sock located but...  Undecided 
Every State has it's share of stupid stuff but this is beyond the pale. Bad thing is, even tho I believe it will be overturned, these idiots have stuck a toe in the door. So now, other idiots will start chipping away at that door. It's how it works.
I am also a big proponent that states should be able to have their own agenda and laws as it was originally set up. But this is stupid!! We should not have to depend on the Feds to overturn a states rules and laws. The Feds are were basically supposed to just protect the states and stay the hell outta our business. (paraphrasing there  Wink) Hoosiers themselves need to stand up and shoot that down!!!!!!! Not more Fed intrusion.
So until we hear otherwise, keep that in mind when passing thru.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 04:14:20 PM »

I am sitting on my hands on this one. THIS IS WHY I LIVE IN TEXAS. I will fight for my rights with arms. It will not hold up in suprime court but it will until they get it stopped.
 

You reference Texas but they have a similar law that hacks me completely off.  A game warden may stop you, search you, search your person vehicle and or home on the mere suspicion you have been involved in the taking of any wildlife resource.  Not to be confused with illegally taking of the resource, but merely involved in taking or collecting the resource.  They call it an inspection, I call it a violation of my constitution.

They can ask and I will probably let them search.  I am the man of my castle/s.  You violate my civil rights and you best be ready for a ticked off redneck.  I tell you folks we need to pay close attention to the slow trickling erosion of our rights.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 04:34:29 PM »

This should really be in the Off topic section but I'll add my 2 cents anyway.  A whole bunch of civil rights and liberties were stripped off US citizens with all the paranoia legislation, Patriot Act et all.  If you think the Patriot Act just applies to terrorists that's pretty funny.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2011, 04:46:06 PM »

Got more really really really.....bad news.  Ruth Badder Ginsberg was the lone hold out today on one of the Supremes most dastardly moves.  Seems some cops went to this guys house on a "tip" that he was peddling Marijuana.  A heinous crime in itself.  They knocked and their knock went unanswered.  But they heard what sounded like drugs being destroyed AND smelled Marijuana smoke.  They broke the door down.  Defense attorney wanted the evidence suppressed.  WRONG!  They ruled that a officer can break into your house if he "THINKS" evidence of a crime is being destroyed.  Got that?  The officer is the deciding authority in this matter.  The cops said they feared he was destroying the evidence by burning the evidence in his home.  No fire was found and no firemen were summoned before or after the search.  I would have fired the cop that said he smelled smoke but didn't summon fire and safety immediately....dereliction of duty to p[protect and serve?.

Ginsberg said that this decision would lead to flagrant disregard for the 4th amendment(?) of security in your home and papers and would end the inconvenience of getting a search warrant.

There is a darker side to this that we all must now fear.  If a cop does decide to break into your home he is predisposed to find SOMETHING to legitimize his actions.  I thought hot pursuit was bogus as so many homes were violated and no intruder was located.  I want them to surround the house and make a determination of whether the legit occupants are in danger....and not in that order.  Texas always scared me as the cops seem to have way to much leeway and protection from review  down there.

Never ever "INVITE THE COP IN".  Never do that.  If you do he can legit use anything he finds or thinks he finds against you.  Just smile and decline.  I would remind him that I am only withholding my permission and not suggesting I could ever physically prevent his entry and step back.  You gave up nothing and he can satisfy himself if he needs to.  What he will do is withdraw cause anything he finds he has to leave alone.  But if you don't think cops don't lie through their teeth by the minute and often merely to amuse themselves you are one STUPID SOB.  As others on here have said "the cops are not your friend".  My views and opinions do not reflect those of the management....necessarily.

Almost unanimous?  I must be missing something.


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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 04:47:08 PM »

What ZubZub said.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 05:10:10 PM »

I don't understand how this has anything to do with buses.  I'm not going to go out of my way to avoid Indiana just because of this.  (Especially not with today's fuel prices.)

I'm hoping all you folks who think the police are out to get you never need help from a police officer.  Yes, there are some bad apples, but the good ones far outnumber the bad.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 05:29:38 PM »

Like it or not but this has been going on for ever! The badge is no better than the man or woman behind it. After all my years of dealing with the "fuzz"  Cheesy, I've found that they are about as trustworthy and as reliable as politicians. Sad to say but law enforcement is truly people I don't trust anymore. Scary............
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 05:40:47 PM »

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Yes, there are some bad apples, but the good ones far outnumber the bad.
If I ever "need" a cop I sure hope you are right, but I cant think of a time when I really needed one.  I have had things stolen and the cops came and took a report, I never got my stuff back.  I have had auto accidents, the cop showed up and took a report and someone was sent a bill (ticket).  I once had my house entered, the cop's came and took a report.  In all cases the cops showed up after the fact, and like the saying goes when you need a cop in seconds, they are only minutes away.  That being said, maybe I have been lucky all these years.  But Hope Steffy needed a cop, called one and got the sh%# beat out of her. Watch here
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I think we need to make some changes in this country.  I think we should do away with internal affairs investigating bad cops, we should have citizen review boards who determine if the cops acted out of line.  One cop should be allowed to sit on the board to tell their side of it, but the majority should be citizens, after all who are they supposed to be protecting and serving?
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 07:52:50 PM »


  As the stupidity blooms in our state on a daily basis, on this evening news on Fox 59 one of the justices

 mentioned that "Resisting only escalates the violence between the parties"  With that said, what if that

 individual (s) were impersonating an officer?  With that said and done, the Indiana code stating UNLAWFULL

RESIDENTAL ENTRY must have been es-ponged from the statute!

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 08:13:54 PM »

Do you really think the news media is going to report on all the good cops out there?  No, they report on all the bad cops because the media loves to report bad news.  I don't personally know any cops or anything like that.  I just think they get all get painted with a broad brush because of the few bad ones.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 12:32:28 AM »

This is relayed to buses because it looks like in Indiana, police will be able to enter your bus without your permission/reasonable cause/search warrant..  The reason police  get a bad rep is that the "few bad apples " are law officers, with tons of power over ordinary citizens.  When they abuse that power, you have almost no recourse, the system is weighted against you, the brotherhood covers up abuse made by their"brothers",  they investigate their own crimes, etc etc...
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 06:23:59 AM »

Thanx ZubZub. I see you finally seen the point I was originally making.  Smiley  (I thought I made the point quite clearly, but I'm no great literary figure. Wink) Your bus is your home and if you are in Hoosierville you are susceptible to this law. People who travel, such as us, need to know this. Belfert obviously has not made the correlation. And where people take this thread, is up to them. BUT, it was intended as a Bus Topic. And I still believe it is.

I also agree with previous posts. "When seconds count, Cops are only minutes away". That is why I "carry" at all times and especially in my bus. (bus related again Wink) If you think your local "fuzz" ( Grin I do remember that!  Cheesy) is bad about their "performance" for you, just think if you are traveling thru somewhere and have little or no pressure to exert on them in your case!!! (bus related again Wink)You will definitely get blown off. They truly are there to "investigate", as anyone knows, and they can't be everywhere! I do believe that "most" do their best. I have known good ones and bad ones....Just like anything and everything else. But having the "power" they do does make it a little more concerning. 

This IS a "Bus Topic".
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 07:43:49 AM »

I think a lot of people go into police work with good intentions.  Then they realize that they have joined a gang.  The good ones get out,  some of them just conform and stay out of they way until they can retire, and the others get with the program.  It's an us versus you mentality.  Watch some of those reality cop shows and see how excited they get when they are involved in something.  They are less in control of themselves than the supposed criminal. 

A kid we know well  is the sweetest kid you could ever meet.  An eagle scout.  He always wanted to be a police officer so he could "save" people.  He got a job as a correction officer at a major prison.  We were stunned one day,  he was so excited about being in on his first "beat down" of a prisoner. If this kid can end up with this attitude what happens to the kid that is aggressive my nature?

The police may be your friend if you are a little old lady.  Wait,  they shot one of those here recently.

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 08:48:25 AM »

I agree this is bus topic when some call it their home. I would think in most cases it is a long shot of your day to turning real bad as that lady in the video had it. One of the things that I feel that gets missed is PROCEDURES of the police. That was stated a few times in that video. They were following procedure. Who polices those procedures. The police are a necessary evil but come on. If you feel your in the right you should have the right to defend yourself for it. There was a show on awhile back that showed jail houses. One of the things that would make me mad was how the police do not have to tell you why they are doing something to you. Just like the lady in the video she kept repeating "why are yall doing this" The cops never told her anything they just keep stripping her down. They wonder why we go down kicking and screaming. The all mighty cops think we are the animals. The one thing about the police is no matter how many you can fight off they will keep coming until they have the numbers they need until you are their puppet but we as citizens will just stand there and video it for youtube. Just like we are today. We can talk but who has made one call to anyone that can make a change. They next one in line are the lawyers. I know my limitations of what I can do and if their was a problem in my comunity where we had no water because the pumps were down I would be out there for free fixing them for everybody. Our legal system is broke down and our comunity is in trouble but I rarely hear of a Layer standing up for free to get it fixed. Just another law they get paid to defend someone with. Win or loose your going to pay them. For the people who full time, look this up. In New Mexico maybe other places if your carry the minimum insurance on your coach and have a fender bender where the people fall out, go to the hospital to get checked out guess what. If it goes over your coverage you loose your BUS "home" to the idiots that closed your gap. They do not let you homestead a movable vehicle or they do not care if it is a necessity for your work. You are left walking away from the courthouse homeless if you do not have the cash to pay for the rest of their lawyer fees and rehab. I am going back to sitting on my hands. I have typed enough.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2011, 09:43:14 AM »

In Colorado they have had the No-Knock law for years. Haven't been taking guns or much else. Don't know why people freak out every time it is only a possibility. If you don't like the law or possibility write your leaders in Washington in mass or don't vote them in next time. FWIW
Like one guy said on the news would you use your gun on a officer coming into your house and he said yes. OK so you would be dead or an officer and you would be dead, So excuse me what rights do you have if you are dead???
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2011, 09:46:46 AM »

I have to comment on at least one good Nevada Hi Way  cop.
I broke down about 75 miles east of Reno.  With in 5 minutes a patroman stopped and offered to help.  He gave me exact numbers to tell good sam road service where  we were.   miles markers etc.   He stayed with us until  help arrived. WE also got toad 60 miles in to Sparks.
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