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Author Topic: Anyone have experience with Firestone Tires ???  (Read 3459 times)
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« on: May 19, 2011, 07:26:11 AM »

Thinking of installing Firestone's on my bus. FS400's to be exact. Michellin's are way out of control price wise, at over $900 installed. The Firestones are going to be just about $600....
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2011, 07:37:54 AM »

I looked up the FS400's and they are only made in the 315/80R-22.5-which no matter who you buy them from are probably the most expensive highway tire you can buy.  Is your bus that heavy that you need this tire?  I would fully load your bus up with water, fuel, and such and weigh it with each axle.  Then you can tell if you really need the 315 tires.  My guess is that you could go down to a 11R-22.5 16 ply which are MUCH cheaper then the 315 tires.  Let us know what weights you come up with, and we can help you more.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 07:41:55 AM »

TomC he owns a H-45 those suckers are heavy 50,000 + 18,000 on the front axle,fwiw I do see that tire on the H-45 tour buses around Laughlin noticed that yesterday along with the new Goodyear tire that size saw not one Michelin tire on the front  

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 07:58:12 AM »

315's are standard size. Some H3 owners are upgrading to 365's and 365's are now standard on new H3's. So yeh, I need big tires.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 07:59:53 AM »

Welcome aboard, Thunder.

Look at it like this. You have a H3. It is worth how much? (You don't have to say, just get you thinking). And Michelin tires are 900 a pop. If you do any significant amount of driving, I would say dive for the XZA's. Buy two every couple of months, to make it more palatable. We have XZA's on every position, except for the tag (and the shop didn't have XZA's, then). But then again, we put on probably close to 30K a year. If I was sitting a lot, I would go for cheaper ones.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 08:01:03 AM »

Luvrbus, Do I read you correctly in that you did see the Firestones Huh
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 08:12:40 AM »

Yep there were 3 H-45 with that tire from Gold Coast Tours setting side by side with brand new tires I notice tires here because of the heat you see very few Michelin on the tour buses now could be the cost for some lol.
My friend owns Arrow Stage Lines he won't run the Michelin's any longer he runs the new Goodyear but they are about the same price as a Michelin's

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 08:26:48 AM »

Yep there were 3 H-45 with that tire from Gold Coast Tours setting side by side with brand new tires I notice tires here because of the heat you see very few Michelin on the tour buses now could be the cost for some lol.
My friend owns Arrow Stage Lines he won't run the Michelin's any longer he runs the new Goodyear but they are about the same price as a Michelin's

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Clifford,

Why won't he run the Michelins? Can you enlighten me? I will go with Goodyears in the future, if they are better.

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2011, 08:31:18 AM »

John316, all good points. I have XZA's all round, front 1yr old, Drives date code 44/04, tags dated 24/05. Either I put 4 Mich. on the drive and run the 6ry old tags for awhile or go for 6 Firestones. Question is do I want to head to Sturgis this summer on 6yr old XZA's.  Prevost aside, money is tight in this economy.

BTW the Drives show cracking and Tags don't...
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 08:45:16 AM »

He has always had problems with the Michelin and their warranty so he just stopped using the tire he loves the new Goodyears told me they were holding up excellent with no trouble yet now this a charter service not a RV he runs the 4500 MCI, Setras and Prevost.
I see quite a few Toyo Tires now here in the desert on buses they are not bad about cracking and the drivers say they ride better than others I don't know I have always ran the Toyo with good luck I never had much luck with the Michelin's here always lost the side walls but 115 degrees in Aug will take it's toll on any tire lol

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 08:53:58 AM »

Thanks for the tip, Clifford. I will look into them, when we swap the next ones out. We alway have to have good tires. Not to mention, the fact that we weigh in right at the GVWR.

Thunder, no kidding about the economy. The tire prices do hurt, one way or the other.
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 12:30:19 PM »

I use firestone FS560 12R22.5 on mine. It is two axle so it lighter but I like them. I put them on last summer and have 16,000 on them. no problems  yet.

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2011, 12:52:45 PM »

I got the the Firestone FS560 12R22.5s on the drives and Toyos on the steers, no problems with either.
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2011, 02:20:06 PM »

I'm using the Firestone FS560's all the way around on all our buses now. (some still have Kumho's but as they wear out I'm replacing with the Firestone's)
Why did I quit using Kumho? Because I moved farther away the warehouse I was getting them from and my new tire dealer is hooking me up with the Firestone's mount, balanced and out the door for about $50 ea more than I was putting into the Kumho's after mounting and the old tire shop couldn't balance them! (the new tire shop tried balancing some Kumho's for me and they required way too much weight per tire for 4 out of 6 tires and I switched to Firestone which require little to no weight and the ride drastically improved!)

Don't get me wrong we had great service out of the Kumho's with reasonable warranty results. And they rode decent, but not like the BALANCED Firestone's do.

I agree on the Michelin's if ya got $ to burn buy them! (and hope you don't need that warranty they brag so much about, because it's not worth the paper it's written on!)
Michelin is KNOWN for worming out of the warranty 99% of the time blaming it on the driver or vehicle!
I too like the GoodYear's ride....... but have had warranty issues there too! $800 +/- tire with less than 10,000 miles the side wall blew out and all I got was $200 and it took them 8 months to give me that! (took that long for the district rep to give the dealer the word back that that is what they were doing for me!)
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PS. the mate to that GoodYear blew out on the road in AL and the tire shop that came out brought me a brand new Firestone and took one look @ my blown GoodYear and only let me pay for the service call and told me they'd get there $ back from GoodYear for the one that blew! (I have no clue if he did or not as I've never heard either way from him, and it's not near anyplace I frequent to stop in and ask!)
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 03:10:33 PM »

another  happy FS560 user here
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2011, 03:58:59 PM »

Isn't the FS560 a regional tire and not a long haul?  I went with the FS590 five years ago because it is a long haul tire.  Maybe it doesn't matter, I don't know?
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2011, 04:11:18 PM »

I just purchased a set of 8 tires and the difference between China tires and Toyos (made in USA) was only about $300 so I bought the Toyos again, they have been a good tire for our truck operation
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2011, 04:30:07 PM »

On my fleet of 45' Prevosts we ran the Firestone FS 400, as we were on the
Firestone lease program at .003 cents per tire per mile.  Had absolutely no problems with them, but then we didn't with the 315 Mich either.  Currently running 315 XZA on the Eagle but will switch to 12R when the time comes.  Funny how many passengers inquired why we were running Firestone after so much bad publicity (car tire failures).
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2011, 06:48:25 PM »

Boomer, how did the ride compare between the Michelin and the Firestone's Huh
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2011, 06:54:10 PM »

We are using 6 Firestone, FS560 on the rear and tag. Haven't had the opportunity to put but only 1500 miles on them. They were 3 months old when I got them, according to the date. Have had no problems so far, plan to get Firestone's for the steers in a month of so.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2011, 07:22:41 PM »

Happy Firestone user here too
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2011, 10:48:21 PM »

Typically, we won't put 80,000 miles on a set of tires-the mileage a regional tire will start to cup out.  What we will do is hit curbs, go over curbs, possibly down a dirt road, into a pot hole or two-all of which a regional tire-with its' reinforced sidewalls-will be able to handle.  A highway tire, while maybe lasting into the mid 100,000 miles, will have lower rolling resistance for better fuel mileage, but the thin side walls might facilitate sidewall blowout prematurely.  I'd stay with a 75mph rated regional tire.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2011, 07:23:12 AM »

Isn't the FS560 a regional tire and not a long haul?  I went with the FS590 five years ago because it is a long haul tire.  Maybe it doesn't matter, I don't know?

Regional more closely matches the typical RV usage profile than does Long Haul or Linehaul.  I would never consider putting a Linehaul tire (that was not also designed for Regional service) on my coach.  FWIW.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2011, 07:33:26 AM »

I had wrongly assumed that long haul highway tires would be better for a bus conversion because we tend to put on fairly long distances and not do stop and go like a delivery truck or something.  In my case I usually get on an interstate and go 100s or 1000s of miles to my destination.  I'll have to consder regional tires when I replace my tires.

Is the difference in MPG that Tom mentioned significant enough to worry about.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2011, 08:40:30 AM »

Brian, don't confuse Regional with a local or delivery tire.  Regionals have a good balance between highway usage and around-town performance.

I don't think you will even notice the fuel mileage difference.

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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2011, 08:54:12 AM »

Me I would go with what ever Mark (Boomer) said probably the only guy besides BK here that ever owned a fleet of buses and he knows what will work best for the bucks spent

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2011, 10:30:49 AM »

I had a pair of Firestone FS 400 315/80R22.5 installed on the steers in 2007, ride great. Cheaper than the Michelin's.

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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2011, 02:56:14 PM »

You can't go wrong with either Toyos or Kumhos. I've run both with good service and the price sure is right.
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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2011, 04:44:13 PM »

I replaced my Michelin with Firestone's last July, mainly because of the cost factor.  I got a good deal on six of them (I don't have a real bus, only one axle). 

The new Firestone's ride a little differently, but all in all, figure them to be just as good as the previous tires.  My old tires were seven years old at the time, had 85% tread left on them.  Sold 'em to a dump-truck guy and he has so far blown 4 of the six and it has not been a year.

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 10:59:53 AM »

Thanks to all who responded. Looks like tomorrow I will install 6 FS400's on my tag and drive axles.  I originally was going to go with Continental's, but none were in stock at any of the dealers I have accounts with. One of them sugested the FS400's and the Firestone website lists the FS400 as a direct match to the Conti HSL1 Coach. 
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