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« on: July 23, 2011, 07:32:44 PM »

I have been researching flooring material for the bus.  Using the search button, I have found lots of threads on hardwood flooring.  Many guys say stay away from it because of the temperature and humidity swings buses are exposed to.  Living in Vermont, my house is also exposed to huge temperature and humidity swings, we do not have central air and we heat with a wood stove, and oil and my homes hardwood floors don't move enough to show gaps, or buckling, in the winter they do squeak a little more than in the summer. 

The other option I have been considering is laminate flooring.  This will be much more stable, but I feel it will be less durable.  I am also worried that moisture, or water will delaminate it.

Option 3, I have been thinking of wide pine flooring.  If the flooring will move enough to show gaps, than maybe wide pine flooring would work because the gaps are part of the look.  When I say wide I'm thinking like 5" to 6" tongue and grove, not 15" to 16".   We don't really want carpet, but maybe we would use it in the bedroom. Although the search button has been helpful, it haven't really found anything that makes me comfortable making a decision, so I figured I would toss the question out to you guys who have been living with your decisions and how it has worked out for you.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 07:50:02 PM »

The engineered wood flooring seems to do well in buses and motor homes you are seeing it more and more in the high end motor homes and bus conversions I heard it can be re finished also

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 07:59:12 PM »

I'm seriously considering bamboo  -  it's relatively inexpensive, looks good, is quite durable, doesn't have the potential problems of laminated materials, and apparently tolerates extremes of temperature and humidity well.

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 08:00:16 PM »

In the last year have done a lot of research my self on this. must give room to move. seems to be secret. I have had problems in past with getting it to tight and a little swelling. just let it gap a little extra around the edges. Bob
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 10:26:33 PM »

We're re-flooring right now ourselves, and are working with a flooring company in Lake Havasu City, AZ who does a lot of snowbird RVs. The owners of the store is also trusted friends who understand our lifestyle, and are recreational RVers themselves.

As we will be all over the place, in wildly varying climates - we want something durable and able to handle swings in temp and humidity.

They advised us against laminates, as water can easily soak into the floors and ruin them - they said they rip them out of RVs frequently. Small leaks (like RVs are prone to) can cause big problems.  Stones & marbles will be more prone to cracking from motion (and be dangerously slippery with just a little moisture).  We did consider bamboo as well for its benefits (and yeah, it looks modern and awesome, and is more eco and sustainable), but wanted to stay away from a wood look as all the cabinetry and walls are already a light oak.  

We did also look at some cushiony feeling vinyl sheeting that was really nice, but just couldn't find a look we wanted in it.

So, we picked out a very high quality vinyl in 16 x 16 squares with a vintage-meets-modern look that should hold up to just about anything we toss at it (and be super easy to replace if anything does happen to a square or two).  It's installed on Thursday, and we're super excited!!

 - Cherie
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 11:18:50 PM »

I have installed better than a dozen floors in  buses for folks over the the last few years.

They were all Prevo so my comments are directed at those owners.

Forget about gaps and expansion and contraction and cracking on the grout lines.

NONE of that is going to occur if you do it the correct way.

I put down 1/2 in backer board on the marble granite and ceramic floors and to date not 1 install came back with any complaint of any kind. I have marble in the cockpit and up the stairs on our old 85 and it has not even given a hint of cracking.

As for T&G flooring that is the ONLY thing Id use for wood.It don't need gapping if your concerned leave it off the edges at the bottom of the wall but only enough to cover it with some base molding if it will make you feel better.

We put 3/4 by 4in American walnut in the rest of the bus and I put it down just like it would have gone in our livingroom.

Again just to put you prevo guys wanting a good floor install at ease ponder this. When I am doing suspension work and I drop the body supports down on my jack stands if the shop floor is slightly off I know it cause after all the air is dumped if the floor is slightly off there will be 1 corner that the bus will not come in contact with the stand because of it. Yes you are reading correctly. The chassis is so rigid I can actually sometimes pull 1 stand loose with all the air dumped the chassis is so rigid.

You will have no cracking of grout lines on a prevo if you choose that medium.


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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 07:11:21 AM »

Although Bamboo is beautiful, it scratches very easy. I've recently remodeled my master bedroom, and went with bamboo. I love the look, love the color, but hate the scratches. But for me the I would probably use it again, because it achieved the look I was after. Personally though, I don't know if I would use it in a high traffic area as the bus. But to each his own, my opinion only.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 07:22:32 AM »

I find it amusing when folks worry about enginered flooring and getting it wet. If you have leaks in your bus there isn't many flooring options that are going to work well.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 07:28:57 AM »

Leveling systems and not so savoy owners of the system are the enemy to stone floors cracking, easy to control the shrinkage on wood floors living in a bus keep water in toilet and and in the traps takes care of it's self even in the AZ heat.
Joe I have seen Prevost marble floors cracked when equipped with the hydraulic leveling systems also MCI ,Eagles and VanHools people have to use a little common sense and some don't.
The laminate flooring some grades are good but you don't buy it at Lowes or HD it costs some of the cheaper laminates are done with photography on that crap of a base
GM bus frames are ridged also I have pulled jacks from those just like you do on a Prevost sure a MCI would be the same never tried it on a MCI  

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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 07:47:40 AM »

I find it amusing when folks worry about enginered flooring and getting it wet. If you have leaks in your bus there isn't many flooring options that are going to work well.

I always like to find the poop-shooter problem at like 2 A.M. in the morning while using the facility, that really made my day.  I never thought about it (the above quote) but that is kind of amusing.  Kind of like, "When you are up to your rear in alligators, it is hard to remember, you are there to drain the swamp."

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 10:27:17 AM »

Leveling systems and not so savoy owners of the system are the enemy to stone floors cracking, easy to control the shrinkage on wood floors living in a bus keep water in toilet and and in the traps takes care of it's self even in the AZ heat.
Joe I have seen Prevost marble floors cracked when equipped with the hydraulic leveling systems also MCI ,Eagles and VanHools people have to use a little common sense and some don't.
The laminate flooring some grades are good but you don't buy it at Lowes or HD it costs some of the cheaper laminates are done with photography on that crap of a base
GM bus frames are ridged also I have pulled jacks from those just like you do on a Prevost sure a MCI would be the same never tried it on a MCI  

good luck


I have looked at hundreds of Prevost conversions and have never seen one with a hydraulic leveling system. I have seen a hydraulic leveling system on Bluebirds and RVs, but all the Prevost coaches I have seen use the air bags for leveling.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 11:21:58 AM »

You must have just never run into the right Prevost conversion. Clifford did say if it is equipped with it. I have seen lots of people convert a bus and install hydraulic leveling systems.

My bus is all tile inside, including the whole shower and the kitchen. I have hydraulic leveling systems installed that will lift the bus 2' off the ground. I live in Alaska and we have some extreme weather and large frost heaves to drive over. I can also lift one corner of my bus and not crack tile. But the bus was built rigid.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 11:30:03 AM »

Keep on looking prevosman they are out there lol call Marathon they will install you a set for 12 grand HWH would not make or sell  those for a prevost  if there was no market, most owners with Prevost and slides like the hydraulic levelers better that the air fwiw 

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 12:22:57 PM »

Posted earlier about flooring and hardwood full thickness. Joe camper has some nice results out there! I will be cautious (because it's me) and leave a little gap around edges. covered by trim. Intresting enough after ariving at show today I found out one of our saw mill guys actually (at his commercial saw mill) produces t&g flooring. So this is hands on education week for me. I had planned on doing my own t&g work but now maybe a little trading in the future. We will be sawing all week. Our logs this week are all hard maple.(nice golden color in this part of the midwest)   Bob  always learning.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 02:02:08 PM »

Keep on looking prevosman they are out there lol call Marathon they will install you a set for 12 grand HWH would not make or sell  those for a prevost  if there was no market, most owners with Prevost and slides like the hydraulic levelers better that the air fwiw 



HWH systems are installed in a significant number of Prevost Coaches. Marathon, Country Coach, and numerous others installed the HWH as an over-ride to the Prevost Level Low system. But none of those HWH systems I have seen are hydraulic. They are an electronic control which over-rides the manually operated Level Low controls which are manual. The HWH allows for automatic leveling if desired, but it does so by opening and closing the solenoid valves that are the control valves that take the suspension system away from the ride height valves and allow the front, LH rear or RH rear to rise or drop depending on what the operator desires for leveling.


My serious doubt about the installation of a hydraulic leveling system is Prevost has specific chassis support points that are to be used to support the chassis. Those locations are not ideal for the location or attachment of the hydralic cylinders used in a leveling system. If levelers are installed at other than those support points I can believe the body will be stressed, but as Joe points out if you support the chassis on those points as shown in the owner's maual the chassis is very resistent to sagging or twisting.
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