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Author Topic: Eagle air conditioning removal (is it worth anything)  (Read 2166 times)
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« on: July 24, 2011, 10:15:41 AM »

Ok my road air or what ever it is called does work. But I am getting ready to remove it to make room in the engine bay area for a generator and to remove the factory poo tanks.

Is the set up worth anything? Worth trying to sell?
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 12:05:34 PM »

Don't know how universal the compressor and fan motors etc are but I have made a bundle off of mine. Got $300 for compressor- 300 for each fan motor(2ea)- and 300 for evaporator and  $300 for condensor.  probably 20% of what they were worth if buyer would have to have purchased else where.=====$1500 for supplies. New condensor fan motor is 2600$   didn't include blades or housing.  keep hoses also.    Bob
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 12:13:31 PM »

Where did you sell them at? on ebay?
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 12:14:58 PM »

They changed the AC on the newer model Eagles your will be worth scrap price not much of a demand for the older Eagle units does that unit have a shaft drive or belt drive on the compressor

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 12:18:42 PM »

I gave my stuff away, it was to much to even try and store it. we ripped it all out of the bay also. be sure to disconnect the 2 hot leads coming from the electrical. Wink

 
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 12:30:14 PM »

sorry Eric:  would still try. never know.   Rad bringing 1.26 lb now   alum .50       copper   got to be $ there  or try E-bay.  Sold mine to local charter operator.  Actually got more than that out of them but was ashamed to tell .  Might check some of the old condensors were all copper = sever hundred $ there.  Bob   
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 12:40:19 PM »

Not an Eagle, but I got about $200 for my compressor.  Welch Industries was buying them for about $250, but shipping would have killed that.  I got a couple hundred for my condenser and evaporator at the scrap yard.  Most or all of my condenser motors were bad which is why the A/C didn't work.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 12:43:03 PM »

Wanted to add :: I am no Eagle Guy.  They are beautiful.  I know little about them.  Just have found not to throw anything away.  Have more than tripled my purchase price of the salvage shell I purchased by selling parts I would not use. Used that money to buy missing parts and conversion parts.  All a pleasant surprise. Still selling parts I didn't use off MCI's I had 15 yrs ago and the 89 prevost I didn't use during conversion.  Never thought they would be worth anything.  Good luck  Eric.  
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 12:45:40 PM »

Eric,
Might check & see if Sodrell (Free Enterprise System Charter Co) still has any Eagles or place on Ebay and list here on this board in spare parts section as well as on BNO and the Eagles boards too.

Ya never know there might be some operator out there is still running Eagles that would like to have spare parts.

Or maybe even someone with a conversion still running OTR might be looking to stock up parts.

I know I just found some old stock brand new *Henry* T-type Drier filters the other day that I didn't remember I even had. Best I recall they were for an Eagle. I'm going to find out for sure and be listing them soon myself.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 12:48:12 PM »

I'm like Bob, I never throw  anything I think someone might have a use for away. (but that is why I have soooooo much junk!
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 01:04:45 PM »

Ya know I took some advise from the ERICBSC, and saved all the hoses/lines, batt cables etc. any thing that I thought I could use for other projects and boy! has that stuff come in handy at times Grin Thanks EB of SC Wink Grin

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 04:19:46 PM »

Make a trade deal with Welch.  Your Junk for a working dash air off your engine using a small compressor.

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 07:20:06 PM »

Made a deal with Welch Industries for a dash AC in the 1984 Eagle 10 that we had for 10 years. They took out all of the AC parts that they wanted and put me in a nice dash unit. We took it back to Maine and never used it. We need heat not AC up here most of the time. Worked great. This was about 9 years ago.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 08:13:05 PM »

Im pertty sure that my dash air just needs charged. It works, just not real well.

I will check out the other leads that have been mentioned.

thanks guys.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 08:29:29 PM »

 In Sordell's Eagle's the dash air worked off the cabin AC unless it was changed he never would have done that, he is a stickler for no changes on his buses but he hasn't owned a model 10 since 1994 his buses were sought after big time 

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2011, 06:31:15 AM »


  If your air works, I would keep it. Nothing better to cool a coach while on the road. Wish I would have kept

  mine.  Just my 2cents worth. Good luck!!!!!!!

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 08:03:30 PM »

My air will cool the back of the bus but not the front. It just has a coil at the back of the bus and no air to the front. It blows cold but it will not keep up on hot days.

The pics are of what I have.



Cabin air compressor and coil.^^^^



Drivers air^^^^

My thoughts on the situation is that to cool the bus good I will have to run the generator for the roof units anyways. SO... I might as well save on fuel and do away with the excisting AC and put the generator where the original condensor and black tanks are.

Is there anything that I am not considering?
If I get the drivers air to work do you think that it will do enough to cool the front of the bus?
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2011, 08:08:42 PM »

One of my other concerns is the removal of the drive shaft for the AC. Would it cause any problems with only running the road side shaft?  If I remember correctly the ac and fan for the condensor is the only thing ran off the curb side shaft.


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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2011, 08:26:10 PM »

It won't hurt the miter box just to run 1 shaft done all the time with factory air removed,pull your front bumper and see if the factory install is still there the drivers air you are showing is a add on from someone I was wondering if they tied it into the drivers factory air or what they have done there

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 08:28:31 PM »

I will snap a few pics tomorrow if I get home in time.

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 09:04:40 AM »

It won't hurt the miter box just to run 1 shaft done all the time with factory air removed,pull your front bumper and see if the factory install is still there the drivers air you are showing is a add on from someone I was wondering if they tied it into the drivers factory air or what they have done there

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Clifford I was noticing that compressor as well. It could be one of Welch's (or some one else's) units set up as an aux for the rear instead of driver's. In revenue service in this part of the country they install an aux unit for the passengers and let the driver roast! LOL!
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 09:33:20 AM »

That what I am wondering BK sounds like he has auxiliary in in the rear and that is the part that is working the factory cabin air doesn't look to be in very good shape doubt if that part is working.
The drivers air is in the front inside the spare tire compartment tied to the factory cabin air if the cabin air is not working the drivers air doesn't work but who knows what someone has done on a 27 year old bus
The factory cabin air on that bus should be in the front bay behind the forward bulk head wall not at the rear the heating is at the rear between the frame a bitch to remove lol

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2011, 10:22:53 AM »

You guys are probably right. The small compressor is probably what is running the air that works. I will chace the lines tonight and find out for sure. If the factory air is in fact not working it is going to be removed tonight and scrapped tomorrow. I will still get the pics of the front air as well.

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2011, 12:02:37 PM »

Well here is what I have that works. Its not factory for sure.





This works out even better for me. I can leave this all hooked up and still remove the factory unit.  Once it cools down a bit I will check out the ac thats up front and take a few pics and start removing the factory unit.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2011, 12:07:46 PM »

Eric,
That is exactly what you have is a Welch unit aux unit in the rear.

So, it really will make it nice for you is you can keep this unit as is or move the inside unit to the drivers area and have ready made driver air! (or add an evaporator and fan @ the front and leave this to help keep the bed room cool for the wife to nap going down the road! Wink )
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2011, 12:51:46 PM »

My wife nap while I drive! I couldnt get that lucky lol.... JK my wife dont bother me and I prefer to have company while I drive to share the views.

If the factory evaporator coil in the front is in good shape I may try to tie it into this unit if it will work.

What freon will be in the welch unit? would it be compatable with whats in the factory drivers air? I didnt find any tags or any info on any of the units.

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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2011, 01:48:31 PM »

Check the filling connections if a quick connect will be 134A

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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2011, 01:49:46 PM »

yes I noticed it has the quick connect fittings yesterday.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2011, 06:38:44 PM »

I took some advise from folks using a mister system to cool their engines down by spraying the radiators with water and plumbed one up to cool me down also! Generally I get a little warm going down hill too so it works on both sides of the mountain.  Grin But seriously, salvage prices are really high and copper fetches a pretty good price. I hate to think it but maybe our busses are worth more at the salvage yard than on Ebay!
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2011, 06:53:42 PM »

The last city bus that I junked brung over $5k over the scales. Thats not including all of the copper that I pulled out of it.  Bus had to be one of the most rotten vehicles I have owned.  It started to break in half from towing it.
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