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« on: August 28, 2011, 02:05:45 PM »


http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod2450243#desc


# Gentron 6500 watt diesel generator
# Quiet series with fully-enclosed casing
# Durable diesel engine provides longer-lasting performance
# 10HP 4-stroke, air cooled diesel engine
# 6500 watt surge, 5000 watt rated output
# Super quiet noise level at 70dBA (compared to 78dBA)
# 40 amps at 120V, 20 amps at 240V
# 11 hours of usage, at 1/2 load
# Volt and hour meters included
# 2 AC 120v outlets
# 1 AC 120V / 240V twist-lock outlet
# 1 DC 12V outlet
# Electric start with backup pull start
# Battery included
# Wheel kit included
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 02:21:45 PM »

i just bought this one  says it is a 6500 seems ok  once i got it started  first one came doa. both came with lots of scratches. very tight fit in a 4106   http://ramsond.com/dieselgen.php
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 03:14:54 PM »

This is not a 65K, it is a 5K. 40 amps tells me that. It would be 50 amps minimum.

The 65K is peak but it will not sustain that.

Air cooled is much louder, personally I would not want another air cooled genset, one was enough!

If it has a wheel kit it is probably not meant for RV use. Probably not suitable for confined spaces.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 03:22:47 PM »

If you are planning on installing that in your bus to run while you are going down the road, then I would not get it. It is not designed for that type service. It would not be safe or reliable. I have tried similar gensets in the past. If you are planing to run it onsite outside of your coach, then it may work if 40 amps will give you all the power you need.

You need a genset designed for a RV if you plan to install it on your bus.

My 2cents.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 03:26:58 PM »

I looked at those type generators when I first got my bus, they seemed too good to be true.  "Quiet" is maybe in comparison to a train engine  or something, they are very loud.  The distributor I was talking to was a good guy, he basically refused to sell me one. said it wouldn't work right and i would not be happy.  They  are designed for use outdoors, a long way from anyone who has to listen to it.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 05:47:49 PM »

You guys need to educate me or humor me here now what is a " approved " generator for RV use and how is different from any other.  
Martin one of the largest and best suppliers in the US for generators has been using a 1 cylinder,air cooled, 3600 rpm Yanmar diesel for years you see tons of those on trucks  
 
I see the Yanmar model YDG a gasoline generator installed by Martin in 5th wheel RV's all the time take a peak at that model looks just like what some call here call a contractors model.

 I know Martin would not install that generator in 5th wheel under the bed in the compartment most 5th wheels have if he thought it was a danger

They all start with the same head and engines,I have bought diesel generators from Wrico (Dick) for my business and RV's over the years both are the same generator same engine same head he just charges more for accessories when installing in a RV for the remote stuff  

68 to 71 dba@ 23 ft  is about the norm for generators till you add the sound attenuation you buy yourself a unit with 71 dba at 70 feet you have your work cut out for you lol  

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 06:18:46 PM »

Clifford,

RV genset: A genset that is designed to be in close quarters and usually has it's own cooling system. Like his one:



The heat is discharged out the bottom. The standard portable generator is designed to be outdoors, not confined to a bay on a bus. It is possible to engineer something to work, but I would not stake my families life on it. It would be better to get a used one that is engineered for it's use rather than a new one that is not and risk a fire or explosion.

I think Gentron recommends a minimum of three feet clearance around the generator while it is on. That model is air cooled.

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 06:33:46 PM »

ramsond claims it is suitable for RV use.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2011, 06:41:31 PM »

Mike take the Onan out of the housing and see what you have you have Onan my point is with the right hardware they all work Dicks diesel units won't work with out fans and venting none will.

OSHA set the standards for contractors generators been there done that with OSHA


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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 06:56:41 PM »


http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod2450243#desc


# Gentron 6500 watt diesel generator
# Quiet series with fully-enclosed casing
# Durable diesel engine provides longer-lasting performance
# 10HP 4-stroke, air cooled diesel engine
# 6500 watt surge, 5000 watt rated output
# Super quiet noise level at 70dBA (compared to 78dBA)
# 40 amps at 120V, 20 amps at 240V
# 11 hours of usage, at 1/2 load
# Volt and hour meters included
# 2 AC 120v outlets
# 1 AC 120V / 240V twist-lock outlet
# 1 DC 12V outlet
# Electric start with backup pull start
# Battery included
# Wheel kit included


These generators have been around for several years now. It seems that they come from China and you can put whatever name brand decal you want on them and sell them.
Be aware that there are no parts available for them or factory support. When you buy it, it is yours. Ask me how I know, I bought one about 4 years ago ( not for my bus), It ran about 5 minuets and quit. I found a cracked piston. I will make a good deal to someone on it Wink
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 07:20:20 PM »

20 bucks cash............    the ransom co has HQ in Michigan and they seem to be able to provide parts.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2011, 07:39:58 PM »

You better check that place out Thomas not good with the BBB they have a  F 


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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2011, 07:59:30 PM »

Mike take the Onan out of the housing and see what you have you have Onan my point is with the right hardware they all work Dicks diesel units won't work with out fans and venting none will.


He could get that one for $1100 that may work with some engineering or one like this:
http://spokane.craigslist.org/tls/2564871123.html

that has been time tested and proven to be a good, safe, generator. In the past, I toyed with the idea of doing some similar on my old 4104 and just didn't feel good about using a cheap portable genset on my bus. I did try one for a time and it worked, but it would overheat and it was just not a good way to roll. I looked at the cheap china diesel genset's back then that were around... they were red... and I was tempted as well. Money is tight and I understand getting what you can and making it work.

I know a guy that took a 20 kw diesel genset that I think was a welder and installed it in his 4905 bay. (like one they pull on a trailer) They used one whole bay for it. They bolted it down, piped the exhaust out and put some fan's on it and it worked for them. It's all they had and they made it work. Just not something I would do.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2011, 08:41:22 PM »

i saw that but i think it was for 7 complaints?
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 07:35:54 AM »

There is a huge difference between the 3,600rpm based Chinese made generators then the 1,800rpm based mostly American assembled generators.  My current 10,000 watt Powertech genset (I didn't know about Wrico then) has a 4 cylinder Kubota and a huge Siemans brushless alternator end.  Granted I only have about 1,100 hours on it, but no problems with it.  When the A/C kicks on, you barely notice the surge with the big alternator.  If I need parts all relays are simple Bosch plug in types, the voltage regulator is universal, the sensers are made by Kubota.
Who knows what the Chinese used.  Course, the 12kw generator I bought from Dick Wright with both the squirrel cage ventilating blower and the electric radiator fan with speed control, cost around $8,100.00.  I firmly believe you get what you pay for.  Good Luck, TomC
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