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« on: October 26, 2011, 06:29:29 AM »

Those of you who read my post recently know that I have a 1983 MC9 with and 8V71N and a 5 speed manual.  You also know from that post that I just bought a 1994 102D3 with a 60 series and an Allison.  That post mentioned that I need my head examined because, well...who needs two busses as toys.  Isn't one plenty?  My new confliction is that I just drove the new bus and the old bus in the same day.  I like driving the old one better!!!  Son of a )*&%&($!!!!

Now what do I do?

Josh in West Virginia
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 06:35:31 AM »

why do you like the old one better? what do you feel is better about it?
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 06:39:49 AM »

Big difference between driving the two and owning one for the long term.

I suspect the 2 cycle with a manual transmission would be nice for the short term. Nothing is sweeter than the sound of the 2 cycle exhaust, or more fun than rowing through the gears.

But in the long run the fuel mileage of the Series 60 is going to be a big difference in which bus gets chosen when you want to do long trips. Unless you drive very little or only take short trips my guess the Series 60 is more practical.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 06:41:06 AM »

I really can't put my finger on it.  I like shifting gears?  The stainless steel sides and round headlights give it charisma?  It is my first?  It freaking flys on flat ground?  It doesn't look institutional?  I don't know...

I need counseling...

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 06:43:31 AM »

one is 6 inches wider than other inside. So you must decide trade off's  fuel mileage and longevity .Your decision ---your buses.  notice at bottom my by-line    Bob
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 06:47:11 AM »

For example about things you cannot explain:

I am a die hard Pittsburgh Penguin fan.  When I went to law school in Columbus, OH, the Columbus Blue Jackets of the NHL were just coming to town.  I figured tremendous!  I can go catch a couple games in the "show", they will be my second favorite team, I can get my live NHL fix while I am in the process of higher learning.  It will great to root for an Ohio team instead of against them.  But everytime I went, I walked in rooting for the Jackets and walked out rooting for whomever was playing against them.  There was no real reason.  The team has class and is no natural enemy of mine or the Penguins.  Inexplicable...

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 06:50:19 AM »

robertglines:

I know, I get it.  Everything about the 102D3 is better on paper.  I cannot understand why I like the 9 better!  That is my whole point!!!  I am looking for the philosophy or psychology of why I like it, not the facts of why I should!!!

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 06:50:31 AM »

 (snip)   notice at bottom my by-line    Bob

     Yes, this is my last one, too.  People ask me "when will it be finished".  I tell them "There are three stages of 'finished' with this thing.  Stage 1 is when it's on the road and useable and everything works, stage 2 is when it's all pretty and tarted up inside and out, stage 3 is when I die".
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 07:02:39 AM »

I've heard others say the MC-9 is the best driving bus compared to later MCI's before.  Doesn't surprise me that you find a difference.  BusWarrior has some insights that he's shared in other posts, he's driven about them all.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 07:19:51 AM »

It  will take you a while but the DL3 is a better bus than a  9 IMO, driving characteristics are different the air bags are mounted outwards from a 9 and 45 ft takes awhile to get the swing down lol but in time it will grow on you and with out the underpowered 8v71 you will be happy and I believe you have 11.2 series 60

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 07:52:06 AM »

This made me think back and ask "what was the best driving car that I ever owned?"  And God help me, it was a 1974 Pontiac LeMans.  this fact alone makes me think that you will come to love the new bus as much as the old bus - that's wasn't really a very good car at all...

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 08:26:05 AM »

I think you are just learning something about yourself.  Seems to you, the "classic,throwback" aspect of the MC9 trumps any technical or practical advantages of the 102D3.

I have come to terms with that aspect of my own personality.  Funny, but I was just thinking the other day that if wanted a new car, I would NOT buy anything brand new at all... I would go to Hemmings Motor news and buy something like a 5K original  mile 1992 Cadillac Brougham for my everyday car.  It doesn't make any practical sense at all, but it's just who I am.

Oh, and don't expect very many people to understand.  You just have to accept the fact that few will understand and that there will always be head shakers.

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 08:44:18 AM »

I just finished installing a 60 and allison 6 sp. in my eagle. I had an 8-71n. We have a 7% 4 mile grade. With the 8-71, 14 mph 2nd gear, pedal thru. the floor!!! With the 60, 57 mph, 3/4 throttle. Fuel mileage 30-40 % better, and will pass when I want to, without the dragonfly method. Its a no brainer!!!! I like old cars with carbs, but when I make a trip it is in a newer car with electronics. I guess its a dependability thing even though I do miss the humm of the 2 stroke. Just my 2 cents or less!!!
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 08:46:05 AM »

Clifford I think he just has the "D" 40' model not the "DL" 45' model.

But I'm like you I think once he gets used to the power f a 60 series in a 40' coach he'll love it.

That said some of us are drawn to the old school looks of stainless & chrome! (dad always tells people chrome is my favorite color! Wink )
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Of course on the other hand I remember a couple years ago helping Three Rivers Travel out and I was right on the tail of one of his Eagles with an 8V92 loving that sound the whole night.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 09:17:46 AM »

A couple of years ago, my daughter and her husband bought an old Plymouth Valiant.  They said that they liked driving a classic.  I told them that I didn't even like it when it was new, that it was sluggish, clunky, and relatively uncomfortable.  They said that they liked it.  However, whenever they had to take a trip beyond local errands, I could see that they drove their other car.  After a bit, they sold the Valiant.
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