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Author Topic: Seat belt use in party buses, band buses, etc?  (Read 3535 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 09:34:59 AM »

  None of the entertainer coaches I have ever traveled on had seat belts anywhere but for the driver. Even if they did, not likely anyone would have worn them. People are laying down, standing up, sitting sideways playing their guitars, etc... 

   Yes, that's fine with me -- that's their choice.  Every mile I drive (or ride in my bus), I'm going to wearing a seat belt.  I don't have to make a Cost/Benefit analysis; I went to school for 17 years and then worked for almost 40 years so that I could retire and make every minute count enjoying myself.  This bus is a big part of what I see as enjoyment for the rest of my useful life.  I'm going to make it as safe as I can -- I don't want to spend months with injuries when I could be driving and having an adventure.

   (I'm not saying that that's "right" for everybody or that it ought to be law or that that has any bearing on whether there should be belts in TTC buses in Trahhnnaw or school buses in Omaha.  It's just my way.)
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2011, 09:39:24 AM »

No worries. I like living in a country where everyone can make their own decisions... Remember when we used to live in that country?

I was just responding to what the original poster asked. Seems there always has to be a philosophical discussion when someone mentions seat belts. I have a number of friends who would be dead if they had been wearing their seat belts. Funny, how those never show up in the studies that get posted. Just like I had a cousin who died because of her motorcycle helmet in a crash too... That is why those things should be choice and not legislated.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 07:34:11 PM »

My concern about seat belts in a "motorhome" is that seat belts are designed to protect the occupant from being thrown forward in a head on collision.  When people are sitting in a sideways position the seat belt is not going to be subjected to the same forces it was designed for.  The old lap belts were updated with the shoulder restraints because the lap belts were causing injuries that the shoulder restraint's could protect against, but still in a forward facing collision.  Seat belts in a motorhome where passengers are sitting sideways, and backwards will subject the seat belts to unknown forces that could cause more harm to the passenger.  Those low backed dinnets should probably have high backs to protect against whip lash also.  To me it just looks like unknown territory, but for forward facing passengers it a good idea, I do not like the idea of being thrown out the windshield and run over anymore than the next guy.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2011, 12:58:22 AM »

  Ive seen a few Buses after a wreck, and a few others have been posted here. Its not very pretty. Hit anything big in a Bus, something like a Ford Expedition, if your rolling very fast its likely to kill anyone in the front of the Bus. For all practical purpose, the seat belts only safety purpose is to keep the driver bound in his or her seat so they can maintain control in extreme maneuvers or upsets. For as big as they are, Buses really aren't built as much like a Locomotive up front like many would like to think they are. And too, there is so much weight behind it, that unless it was built literally, like a tank, its still going to crush like a pop can starting at whatever end is taking the hit. Even in a light 35 footer you could have as much as 25000 pounds behind you, plus a Towed, showing your nose into whatever you stuck it into. In a hard collision its going to compress everything back to the first bulkhead, and your likely going to be in the middle of it. You REALLY dont want to hit ANYTHING.

  One of the first Buses we wrecked was an old GMC fishbowl. The entire driver station was displaced from the middle of the windshield all the way to the first passenger side glass, like a giant Shark had taken a bite out of it from the roof to the ground. Only it was still all there, just crushed back, steering column, gear box, dash, drivers seat, pedals, all squished back to the first bulkhead. The story was the driver lost control, seen he was going to hit a Giant Elm Tree, and dove into the stairwell just before impact. If he had been in his seat, there is absolutely no doubt he would have been squished like a bug. Might wanna make sure your seat belt will unlatch post haste, just in case ya wanna run. They don't call the Bus drivers position the kill zone for nothing.

  Passengers in Buses are pretty safe in accidents because in most accidents the Bus so far  outweighs whatever it hits by such a wide margin a Bus more often plows through it or runs it over. While that Ford Expedition "could" kill a Bus driver, the Bus is pretty much hands down going squash that Ford into oblivion and send its occupants to meet their maker. You don't want to get hit by a Bus. So while the people you hit are in a bad spot, and the Bus driver isnt much better, the passengers usually just a get a big bump and rapid slow down, etc, while the Bus makes its last stop. There is no telling whats going to happen to the slippery naked ladies riding the poles in the back, don't think I want to know. But you can be sure someone will get it on cam.

  Put another way, if you hit anything so big or so hard the passengers need seat belts, its likely such a bad accident it probably wont make any difference and could actually hinder their safety. These arent cars with nice cushy crush zones and air bags, its a Bus.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2011, 08:19:04 AM »

This doesn't really answer Brian's original question, but here are state by state laws according to Woodall's:

http://www.woodalls.com/articledetails.aspx?articleID=2799181
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