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« on: November 25, 2011, 10:05:15 AM »

We have a 1974 Wanderlodge that we need to sell since we now have the Eagle.  We have been listing it for sale for about a year with tepid interest.  We are planning to move to AZ after the first of the year and we didn't want to take both buses. 

I have been offered an even trade for a 1987 Ford CF8000 cabover box truck with 20' pup trailer.  The truck has a new diesel Alliance crate engine and transmission.

We will be renting a small shop near Kingman to work out and  will we staying in the Eagle for the foreseeable future.  Having the box truck would definitely allow me to take a lot more equipment that I might otherwise have to sell and re-buy in the future and would put an end to the disagreements between the wife and I over what is important to take... Roll Eyes

I was thinking that I could just sell the box truck after the move, and maybe sell the pup trailer before the move.  Does this sound like a good plan?... Or am I missing something?  I'm not sure I can pull the trailer because I think you need a CDL.

The truck has been in regular service and the owner said it recently made a round trip to California.  Intriguing offer, just though I would ask what you good folks thought.

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 10:31:53 AM »

Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

You get a moving truck & trailer, and ready made storage once you land.
Also if you relocate again in the near future you still have the truck & trailer for moving.

If it were me I'd hang onto the trailer and hire a cdl driver to drive it, or find a friend with one and pay his expenses and flight back home.

Both the truck & trailer will make awesome storage units and are mobile. You could put stuff that will not be needed in the near future in the trailer and leave the truck for stuff used regularly or even keep it useable to haul stuff in.

And the best part is you get the Wonderlodge gone, and a truck to move with and no $ has to change hands!
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 10:41:16 AM »

I purchased a truck a few years ago from Florida. When I attempted to bring it home I had issues at several inspection stops. It cost a small fortune to get it home. Life is so much easier when your large vehicle is an RV. Just make sure it is in better shape than the POS that I ended up with Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 01:32:38 PM »

   A good inspection on both and a large NOT for HIRE on both and check with local to see if you need CDL for driving it as a unit not for hire.
   Cut in some windows add air beds, canp stove, washbasin, 5gallon water contaiers. camp portapot, RV plates ??
   Next fill with your tools and move. No joke it worked for me.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 03:21:11 PM »

 You might want to check on license fee's and insurance costs, over 26001 gross weight calls for at least a class B tag and a class B tag calls for a Class B CDL, DOT Registration Numbers and the annual DOT inspections of the truck and your records at your home or shop, DOT Safety Inspection Stickers, and proper identification lettering IF you are crossing state lines in the truck. You get into a lot more requirements when you are driving Interstate than when you remain in the state you are tagged in. It is my understanding it does not matter if it is not for hire or not..... The guys in uniform at the weight stations are not your friends. I recently sold a 1988 C-8000 with a flat equipment bed, truck was a former State Foresty truck with 41,000 miles. Had a 3208 Cat and Allision, sold the truck for $3500, must have been priced pretty close to right as it took me about 3 weeks to sell it but i did get my asking price on it.

 Over 26001 pounds and you will either have to have a IFTA sticker or a trip permit for each state you go thru. The gross weight of the truck/trailer will determine a lot. Not sure about the requirements for the trip permits but you need to know if you will need them or not. My brother and I took his 10 wheel dumptruck (we both have Class A Drivers License's) and a 24" dovetail trailer from Arkansas to Florida a year ago and hauled a 28' Wanderlodge back, we had to have the trip tickets for each state we passed thru, the bus weighted 19,000, we were about 45,00 gross.  We also had to keep logbooks .It can get complicated when you start taking trucks/trailers interstate, first weight station and things not in order you will be put out of service. Does the truck have air brakes? Driving a truck with air brakes is different than driving a bus with air brakes in the eyes of the DOT. Again I am not up on the laws for this particular truck/trailer but if I was going to drive the truck out of state it I would be Wink

I would want to see the receipts for the new engine/transmission. Does the truck have a lot of miles?  3208 Cat?? Lots of things to consider, but people rent U-Haul trucks all the time just stay under the weight that would put you in a Class B situation.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 03:32:58 PM »

Thanks Rick,  that's just the kind of info I need.  I will certainly find out what the laws are as that might be a deal killer.

I am certain I will not be pulling the trailer.  We were already planning to pare our possessions to what will fit under the bus, so the box truck itself would be more than enough room for everything else.

Perhaps the owner can offer some answers as to the requirements and weight, etc.

Thanks,
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 03:35:38 PM »

Jumpsuit - The truck probably has the much-shunned Brazilian diesel engine and hydraulic-release  parking brakes Also the cab's not too popular with those who will typicality re-fit an older truck, farmers for example, so that  limits resale too. Sorry to say, but overall it's one of the coldest used trucks around. Better figure the  value at whatever its actual use is worth to you; when you're done you'll have to beg to get over a grand for it. Its bus equal might be an all-steel gas powered bookmobile. IMHO and experience.

From the limited description of the trailer, I can't form an opinion on that.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 03:42:45 PM »

 Anything (other than a bus or RV) over 26001 pounds will require a Class B Commercial Tag and all the nightmares that go with that and at least a Class B CDL. And I think that is not what you are hauling when they check you but what the truck is RATED to haul.



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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 04:01:55 PM »

Marc,
   Where have you been trying to sell your Wanderlodge? Do you have any pictures? I, myself, am not interested, but perhaps there are others on this form or other forums like the WanderlodgeOwnersGroup forum that might be interested.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 04:58:18 PM »

 Was having a hard time with my previous post, about half way thru my typing I looked in the living room. Laying on an area rug in front of the wood stove was Choco, my Chocolate Lab, along side Choco her 7 week old pup with my granddaughters pink pacifier in her mouth. Both fast asleep.  Cheesy

  Not an attemt to drift the thread but it was a sight to see.

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 05:05:08 PM »

Was having a hard time with my previous post, about half way thru my typing I looked in the living room. Laying on an area rug in front of the wood stove was Choco, my Chocolate Lab, along side Choco her 7 week old pup with my granddaughters pink pacifier in her mouth. Both fast asleep.  Cheesy

  Not an attemt to drift the thread but it was a sight to see.

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You give us that cute description without a picture Rick?  Geez... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2011, 05:15:14 PM »

join and list your wanderlodge here http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2011, 05:18:32 PM »

Okay, looks like this truck might not be the model 8000 after all.   I tried to ID it by photo but they made a bunch of different configurations of that body.  It seems some of those box trucks were actually under 26K lbs and he certainly led me to believe this one was.  He actually said he could drive the truck itself but he, himself could not pull the trailer with it because he would need the endorsement for it.

I'm not sure what engine it has, but at thedieselstop.com forum they are saying those Brazilian engines were good engines.

http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f12/ford-cargo-7000-a-11236/
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2011, 05:27:00 PM »

join and list your wanderlodge here http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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I might do that.  I've had it on vintagebirds.com for about a year and regularly on Craigslist.  I've had a ton of interest and a LOT of trade offers, just no cash offers.  Now, we're just about out of time and we really don't want to be stuck with it when it's time to go.  It would cost us about $1,400 in gas just to drive it from here to AZ.  We have been facing with the possibility of having to do just that, but we would sure hate to...  Especially since it has virtually no storage and it wouldn't offer much of anything in that capacity.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2011, 06:22:14 PM »

Got some more info... EW is 14,000, GVWR is 33,000.  It has a documented new crate 7.8 diesel Ford engine with 33K mi.

Looks like a class b license is necessary no matter what.

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2011, 09:10:37 AM »

Many body companies can make a new door jam sticker for your truck to show 26,000lb gvw (typically 8,000lb front, 18,000lb rear).  Then you can drive the truck.  At least here in California, a normal Class C license will allow you to drive a truck up to 26,000gvw AND pull up to a 10,000lb trailer behind WITH air brakes.  California has no endorsements, only restrictions.  Strangely if you take a 33,000lb class B license driving test with hydraulic brakes, you'll have a restriction on your license that you cannot drive air brakes. Also, a class C will allow you to drive up to a 3 axle "house car" up to 40ft long AND pull up to a 10,000lb trailer behind.  Strange laws.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2011, 09:13:16 AM »

If that truck does weigh 14,000lb empty and you have it derated to 26,000lb, that's still 12,000lb of crap you can load into the truck.  Then pulling another couple of tons behind in the trailer will be surprisingly a lot a stuff.  House hold furniture just doesn't weigh that much (I know since I did hasshold moving for 15 years).  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2011, 09:18:24 AM »

Many body companies can make a new door jam sticker for your truck to show 26,000lb gvw (typically 8,000lb front, 18,000lb rear).  Then you can drive the truck.  At least here in California, a normal Class C license will allow you to drive a truck up to 26,000gvw AND pull up to a 10,000lb trailer behind WITH air brakes.  California has no endorsements, only restrictions.  Strangely if you take a 33,000lb class B license driving test with hydraulic brakes, you'll have a restriction on your license that you cannot drive air brakes. Also, a class C will allow you to drive up to a 3 axle "house car" up to 40ft long AND pull up to a 10,000lb trailer behind.  Strange laws.  Good Luck, TomC

Tom,

Your idea would be a magic bullet, but somehow I doubt it would be a simple process, especially in NC.  I think this whole deal might be a big can of worms.  Hopefully I can just Sell the Wanderlodge.

Marc
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2011, 10:00:01 AM »

The guy with the truck just called me back... It looks like the truck has already been downrated to 25,000 on the title.  It is a South Carolina title.  It has a regular non-commercial license plate.  He is willing to leave his tag on it until I get it to AZ.

My next question is does anybody know if you need air brake endorsement on an under CDL truck?  I don't mind getting it if there's time, but if I don't need it all the better.

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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2011, 10:10:31 AM »

You can license the truck for 26K to stay under CDL requirements. However, when you attach a trailer, No matter how small, It now becomes a "combination vehicle", and that's where they get ya. I think the cost estimate of driving the bus to AZ is low. Diesel is already at $4.00 here and is bound to go up. Drive the truck without the trailer, haul as much of your stuff as you can, you will end up selling it cheap, and paying a premium to replace it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2011, 10:23:53 AM »

You can license the truck for 26K to stay under CDL requirements. However, when you attach a trailer, No matter how small, It now becomes a "combination vehicle", and that's where they get ya. I think the cost estimate of driving the bus to AZ is low. Diesel is already at $4.00 here and is bound to go up. Drive the truck without the trailer, haul as much of your stuff as you can, you will end up selling it cheap, and paying a premium to replace it.


I have no plans to take the trailer.  I will sell it here and drive the truck only.  I agree with you... I will lose a lot of money and time by selling my equipment here and buying again later.  Being able to take it is by far the biggest appeal of doing this deal.  Cool thing is this type of truck gets 11+ mpg.

Looks like driving an under CDL truck wtih air brakes is kind of a gray area, but it does look like it's okay without the Class B license.

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/trucking-industry-regulations/58947-regs-air-brakes-under-26-000-a.html
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2011, 02:48:24 PM »

In NC an B license without CDL isn't to hard to get.  There is some concern you should have one for your Eagle because of it's weight. The CDL drivers license manual makes a statement in the exemptions states, that a class B May be required for recreational vehicles over 26000 pounds. Who knows!!

I would contact your local Driver's License place and ask for the DMV Inspector that handles vehicle weight issues.  Or find one of the State Troopers that drive the Suburbans.

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2011, 03:57:13 PM »

Marc,

I am here in NC - I'd possibly be interested in the trailer. 

PM me some pics when you get everything else squared away.

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2011, 02:49:29 AM »

Hey Marc,
I don't get to the boards very often anymore and just saw you are moving. We just got to know each other!!!!! We will miss you here in NC and at the rallys. Good luck and keep us posted on your move so we can stop in to see you when we get out west.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2011, 06:19:39 AM »

  I believe this is staying within the topic, as all this talk of what you need or dont need in one state or another, DL's and endorsements, etc.. The laws are getting broader and more complex every year it seems. You now even see web applications that show you various states laws and whats legal or not.

  My question would ask what, if any, reciprocity exists when we travel. Is everyone expected to follow every states laws to the letter of the law as it pertains to each particular state?

  For example, I moved from Minnesota to Arkansas. In moving, I was trying to make the move as economical as possible, and to that end looked into pulling a second trailer. Specifically, I was looking into hooking my boat behind my Towed. Excepting for Minnesota, that was perfectly legal in Iowa, Missouri, and Arkansas. I already had an Arkansas DL and all the vehicles transfered to Arkansas registration, so my question then became, why couldnt I drive through Minnesota pulling my boat that way, when I'm legal in my own state?

  IOW, before one would go off on a big Northern fishing trip to Minnesota, how far are we expected to check laws, when, for example, something thats legal here, and in every bordering state, and many states bordering those states, are we supposed to check every stupid law in preparing for our trip? For example, using the boat behind the Towed, no one down here would even think to question it, no one in Missouri would either, so one could see many people "assuming" its legal eleswhere, and I believe, many assume there is reciprocity of that also, so even though something is not legal somewhere else, you get a pass because your legal in your home state.

  I was recently told that all vehicles entering California are subjected to an emissions sniff test and must pass emissions before entering. Has anyone heard of this? Are there other restrictions and constraints we have to live by to travel in this country? 
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 09:33:49 AM »

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  I was recently told that all vehicles entering California are subjected to an emissions sniff test and must pass emissions before entering. Has anyone heard of this? Are there other restrictions and constraints we have to live by to travel in this country? 

Let's not mis-direct this thread to the topic of the "Communist Republic" of Califorina.

Now that said CA is a country of it's own and as such has for yrs made it's own laws that in their eyes super-cede federal law. (If it ain't illegal today it will be tomorrow)
So yes anything is possible there!

Now as far as your other question yes most states have reciprocity laws, and allow some leeway.

But the double trailer law is one I'm quite sure you won't find MN, MI or several other states budging on. I've heard more than once if the first combination is not a 5th wheel connection that several states will not allow it.

And when I was a kid growing up my dad pulled a car behind our class A S&S and his bass boat behind that. I know for a fact that in certain states he would pull over just before entering and unhook and mom would have to drive the car until we got through the state or where we were going. (if in that state!)

I know when we used to go to my grandpa & gramma's in Niles, MI they used to take a chance on it since she only lived 5.5 miles across the border.
Once we had the rig pulled off the the side of the road in their vacant lot across from her house and had not unhooked yet. As I came out of the camper and started across the street as MHP officer pulled up and asked me if I knew who was driving that rig. When I told him yes my dad, he asked me to go get him.
Dad & my grandpa went to see what he wanted and the first thing he asked was if they knew it was illegal to double tow in the state of MI. Off course dad played dumb and said no. While gramps said some stuff I wasn't supposed to hear nor allowed to repeat back then. Gramps informed the officer it was parked on private property and it would be unhooked before it left! He then un-politely told the officer to leave before he mistaked him for a deer.(It was deer season.) But we were there to go salmon fishing on the St. Joseph River. (up in Berrein Springsabout 15 mins from their house)
SO after that we always unhooked AS SOON AS WE GOT TO G&G's!
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 12:31:31 PM »

 Plate it for just under the legal limit for needing or not needing a cdl under 26000 or whatever it is. Then keep the load within that limit. In ill that used to be a" base" plate and the same tag as you see on ill cars.

Pull all the signs off accept for "not for hire" At that point your not under the jurisdiction of the dot. Should have the correct drivers licence but you would not have to cross any scales.

Sounds like a good plan. truck may be easier to sell and/or will provide you with a great recource.
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 12:59:43 PM »

There is this, which isn't necessarily relevant if you don't need a cdl for that truck.  But id does say that air brakes is a restriction, not an endorsement - if you don't have a air brake restriction then you can drive air brakes.  I found that you need a class B CDL for over 26,000 lbs so your bus may need one, but your truck may not.  And if you have a CDL for you bus, then you need to not have a restricted class B.  http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/cdl-faqs.php

What I understand about reciprocity is that your drivers license is the only thing that is reciprocal.  If you are licensed to legally drive something in your home state or province, the other states and provinces respect that.  They do NOT offer reciprocity on vehicles.  If you can tow doubles at home at a certain length (doubles up to 75' are allowed in Ontario, except if you are towing a fifth wheel RV trailer with a restricted Class A license, oddly) that does NOT mean you are legal anywhere else.  You are fully subject to the vehicle laws of the state or province you happen to be driving in.

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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2011, 01:57:34 PM »

Plate it for just under the legal limit for needing or not needing a cdl under 26000 or whatever it is. Then keep the load within that limit. In ill that used to be a" base" plate and the same tag as you see on ill cars.

Pull all the signs off accept for "not for hire" At that point your not under the jurisdiction of the dot. Should have the correct drivers licence but you would not have to cross any scales.

Sounds like a good plan. truck may be easier to sell and/or will provide you with a great recource.

Joe while this may keep him out of being commercial & requiring a CDL, it does NOT  keep him out from under the jurisdiction of DOT!

The DOT or "motor vehicle enforcement" as most states are now starting to call them, have the authority to pull over any vehicle for any reason they can come up with and justify it with the "cause of safety!"
Here in our area we frequently see KY Motor Vehicle Enforcement with cars stopped for speeding, and or equipment violations quite frequently. And also down here in TN as well. With TN though it's not as obvious as they've done away with the white DOT cars with the same decals as the yellow/brown ones and just gone with the standard yellow/brown unit. (most of the time it's an SUV like a Ford Expedition, but I have seen several Tahoe's and regular Crown Vic's in use by DOT too!)

Just because your not "commercial" does not mean you are exempt from CDL's and just because your exempt from CDL's and not commercial does not mean your not under DOT jurisdiction.
Anytime you operate a motor vehicle on public streets or hwys you are subject to DOT.
And don't forget the "Game Warden" they can pull you over anytime anywhere! (and they have more power than any other officers too. 95% of the people they interact with are armed in one way or another.)
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2011, 02:19:03 PM »

Yes!!!!! Sounds like we are going to have another Eagle come to "OUR" rally in the spring here in St. George, Utah  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2011, 07:32:39 AM »

Hey Marc,
I don't get to the boards very often anymore and just saw you are moving. We just got to know each other!!!!! We will miss you here in NC and at the rallys. Good luck and keep us posted on your move so we can stop in to see you when we get out west.
Tom & Karen Hamrick

We will be sad to say "goodbye for now" to you and Karen and so many other wonderful people around here but moving to the SW has been a long time dream.  I'm turning 40 in 2 weeks and it does make you think about what you have and have not done in life ...  Roll Eyes  Hopefully you will make it out west and stop in on us.

Marc
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2011, 10:46:35 AM »

40?Huh

you haven't had enough time to do much of anything  Grin Grin
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 03:06:49 PM »

40?Huh

you haven't had enough time to do much of anything  Grin Grin

One of my strategies in life is to always hang out with older people.  That way I will always be young!!!   Grin Grin Grin
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