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« on: January 10, 2012, 09:26:36 AM »

A new law suite filed by the truckers association against the EPA to stop the new laws from going into effect on 2014. The EPA has written a new rule that all trucks, tractor/trailers and RV must reduce emissions by 20% beginning 2014 and this will apply to all vehicles on the road regardless of year model. Their will be no grandfathering in of older vehicles. Of coarse the obama administration and the EPA have written an exemption for themselves.

I stay out of most political rants but this one effects us all. I urge you to write a letter to your congressmen or women and tell them to stop the EPA and their agenda.  If this passes it will put an end to our buses.

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 09:34:06 AM »

Don - will your technology meet the new requirements on a 2-stroke?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 09:39:02 AM »

Steve,as of now we meet the tier II regs for the off road and marine, I am working on the tier IV regs at this time. It will use an add on of some type like a DOC instead of the DPF and urea. Once we meet the on road rules we still have to get the EPA to buy off on it.

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 11:54:15 AM »

Don,

Could you please cite the specific law here?  I've been all over the Tier IV (2014) federal standards and nowhere does it say that it will apply retroactively to RVs manufactured prior to 2013.  Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 01:03:13 PM »

Sean, I don't have the rule number as of yet, I was reading from the law suite that was filed by the CTA. as soon as I can find the law I will post it for all to see. I have e-mailed a couple of people I know at CARB for clarification and they have said that it is their understanding that all vehicles fall under this reg but could not site the reg # so I could look it up. A lot of these rules and Reg's were not supposed to come about until after 2025 and only apply to new not the used market. Reading some of the proposed rules by cal EPA and CARB, Cal is wanting to stop all sales of used vehicles that do not meet the emission standards when the vehicle is sold regardless of year model. meaning it does not matter when the vehicle was new it will have to meet the standards in effect each time it is sold.

As I get more I will post it.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 01:15:27 PM »

So, if this is true, it would only apply to CA?
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »

  They wont ever give up in their attempt to cap every oil well, seal every coal mine, and put all of us on a bicycle. That is their goal. They dont want reduced emissions, they want zero.


  Might as well move the thread to off topic because its going to catch fire soon. There is not any way I can comment without showing my anger and making political comments, and I would bet a few others cant either.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 01:25:09 PM »

So, if this is true, it would only apply to CA?

  The sooner that commie state falls into the Pacific the better. Too bad there isnt some simple way to help it along.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 01:42:01 PM »

Hahaha.. right now they are all moving up to oregon here...

I personally am more concerned about Obamma signing the "arrest anyone they choose and do whatever they want with them"  cause someday they will say that busnuts are crazy and haul them off never to be seen again...

This country is exactly like i saw it as a child... not really.

am i getting off topic? 

OK.."Hail the EPA" Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2012, 02:36:04 PM »

... Reading some of the proposed rules by cal EPA and CARB, Cal is wanting to stop all sales of used vehicles that do not meet the emission standards when the vehicle is sold regardless of year model. meaning it does not matter when the vehicle was new it will have to meet the standards in effect each time it is sold. ...


CARB, of course, is a completely different matter; I see nothing in the federal regs that will affect our buses.  As for CARB, as you may know, each and every time they have tried to implement a regulation that would apply retroactively to older RVs they have been defeated by the relatively strong RV camping lobby.  So I would not worry too much about anything they say about Tier IV, either.  They may ultimately be successful in restricting sales in CA or to Californians, but that would affect relatively few of us here on the board.

Just mentioning this before anyone here panics.  And/or before this thread degenerates even further off topic, into rants.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 02:39:54 PM »

Just a reminder. Lets stcik to facts and leave the politcfal opinions in the off -topic Bb or this thread will probably be moved.  One of your friendly moderators.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 03:17:25 PM »


  The sooner that commie state falls into the Pacific the better. Too bad there isnt some simple way to help it along.

Now we understand the research into EMP...


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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 03:35:06 PM »

Hello;   Look up  EPA-420-F-10-901   see what you get.  there is an update on this issued oct 2011 but I cannot find it . regards  mike
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 04:31:05 PM »

How the heck can they reasonably decrease emissions by another 20% and then keep decreasing from there?  Haven't emissions already been decreased by at least a factor of 10 since the 1970s.

If there is any truth to all trucks having to be replaced every time there is an emissions change the truckers have every right to be up in arms.  I'll be right there supporting their cause if it is true.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 05:07:22 PM »

Hello;   Look up  EPA-420-F-10-901   see what you get.  there is an update on this issued oct 2011 but I cannot find it . regards  mike

Mike, those proposed rules would only apply to vehicles manufactured after model year 2013.  They do not apply retroactively to existing vehicles as Don has claimed.

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