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« on: February 27, 2012, 08:52:37 AM »

Is there any good reason not to go with Roadmaster tires?  It appears they might even be made in the USA still.  They are one of the least expensive tires I can find that isn't a no-name Chinese brand.  The steer tires I am looking at are the RM185.

This is a regional steer tire.  I thought Sean at one time recommended long haul steers and regional drives, but I couldn't find the message with a search.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 09:05:54 AM »

There was a conversation recently about tire cupping and solid shoulder tires came into that, but I can't remember if solid was a good thing or a bad thing for cupping.  I couldn't find a speed restriction on them.  They look like a nice tire.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 09:26:46 AM »

I would Google some thing along the lines of   "Roadmaster tire complaints". Kept me from buying one brand of tires, I do not remember which.

 Bear in mind when doing this, that people who are happy with a product don't spend time on internet forums.  JIm
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 11:25:08 AM »

This is a regional steer tire.  I thought Sean at one time recommended long haul steers and regional drives, but I couldn't find the message with a search.

Brian, I can't say anything specifically about Roadmaster brand, but I can confirm that I recommend regional tires all the way around for the kind of use our coaches see.  You and I talked about this once before:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=20174.msg220513#msg220513

"Long haul" or "Linehaul" tires are meant for service that includes 95% or greater non-stop Interstate driving, with the only "local" driving being at the beginning and end of each long-haul run, between the terminal and the freeway.  On the other end of the scale, "Local delivery" and the similar transit coach tires are optimized for around-town driving that is mostly stop-and-go, backing in to docks, plenty of turns (some of which will involve hitting curbs), etc.

"Regional" tires are meant for a mix of freeway driving and local roads, which is what most RVs will also see.  Very few people get in their coach, drive directly to the Interstate, then go 2000 miles before getting off the freeway to drive ten miles to the campground.  To put the term "regional" in perspective, these are interstate carriers (in all but the largest states) whose service territory includes a handful of neighboring states, or they are LTL carriers who make several stops with the same truck.  A typical regional route may be a few hundred miles, whereas a typical longhaul run can be a thousand or more.

Long haul tires will generally deliver slightly better fuel mileage, but at the expense of sidewall and tread characteristics with greater durability for non-freeway driving.

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It appears they might even be made in the USA still.

You can not tell in what country a tire is made from the brand name.  All the "Japanese" (Bridgestone/Firestone, Yokohama, Continental, etc.) and even those "French" brands (Michelin/ BF Goodrich) have truck tire plants in the US, and the lone major US-based brand (Goodyear) has plants overseas.  The only way to know is to actually look at the code on the tire itself.  I described how to do this in this post:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=11274.msg118361#msg118361

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 02:23:31 PM »

I run roadmaster tires on my bus and truck no problems. roadmaster is part of cooper tires which has a good reputation. They do offer line haul rated tires
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 03:16:56 PM »

I purchased six brand new road master tires last year and right out on the first trip to Palmetto Cove I noticed they were smoother than the goodyears that I removed and they replaced only due to age not wear! I was really surprised at the ride difference and yes they are made by cooper which is well known!
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 03:53:49 PM »

I think I will probably go with the Roadmasters depending on the price.  The tire place never called me back today with the prices on the RM185s and new steel wheels.
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 03:55:21 PM »

Hi Brian,

I have Roadmasters on my drives and tags. [Firestone FS400's on my steers] 2 1/2 years now with no troubles.

They have lots of tread and run pretty quiet too..

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 04:43:48 PM »

RoadMaster tires are made in China by Cooper


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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 06:59:02 AM »

I ended up going with the Roadmaster RM185 tires.  Everyone is telling me both the Firestone and Roadmaster tires are made in China.  If the Firestone tires were still made in the USA I might have paid the extra $80 each.  At least Cooper is still an American company so far as I know.  I looked at Kumho and Toyo, but they cost more than Firestone every place I talked to.

Price out the door is right at $900 for two tires.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 10:05:36 AM »

Well that's better than $1561.62 out the door for 2 Firestones mounted, balanced and out the door last Thursday for us.
But we are running 315/80R22.5's where your running the 11R22.5's IIRC.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 10:07:30 AM »

11R24.5 actually.  For some reason I have 24.5" tires although the name plate lists 22.5" tires I believe.  The tires you have are really expensive in part due to extra FET.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2012, 02:52:20 PM »

Just because they're made in China doesn't mean they aren't any better than if made in the US.

As you may remember, the big stink with SUV tires blowing out a few years ago also included tires made right here in the good ole USA by Cooper.

The tricky thing about tires is that one model of a brand may be excellent and another model of the same brand junk. The cold facts of life are that you just never know for sure what you are buying!! Sad but true.

I'll try almost any tire once no matter where it is made. If it is good I'll keep buying. If not, no more. I find that the country of manufacture has little or nothing to do with quality.

Too many people are paranoid about China. Get used to it guys, they are our largest trading partner.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 03:00:29 PM »

about China. Get used to it guys, they are our largest trading partner.

Gus,

I think you'll find that distinction actually belongs to our neighbors to the north.

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2012, 03:42:36 PM »

What is the recommended size for the steer tires on an 83 MCI-9?

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2012, 03:50:16 PM »

China is just barley ahead of Mexico in trading with US,the Mexican stuff is looking better and better to me LOL
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2012, 04:33:08 PM »

A blown tire can be a lot more than an inconvenience.  A blown tire can cause thousands of dollars in damage and even cause an accident in some cases.

I would much prefer a made in the USA tire, but the price differential is so high that it just isn't practical.  I figured choosing a tire made by an American company in China is hopefully going to have better quality control than a tire made by a Chinese company.  There are lots of cheap tires made in China, but I just didn't feel I could trust them.  They almost have to be cutting corners to get some of the tire prices so low.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 10:43:41 AM »

A blown tire can be a lot more than an inconvenience.  A blown tire can cause thousands of dollars in damage and even cause an accident in some cases.

I would much prefer a made in the USA tire, but the price differential is so high that it just isn't practical.  I figured choosing a tire made by an American company in China is hopefully going to have better quality control than a tire made by a Chinese company.  There are lots of cheap tires made in China, but I just didn't feel I could trust them.  They almost have to be cutting corners to get some of the tire prices so low.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 11:26:08 AM »

Also just because a tire is supposed to be made in China, Mexico, USA doesn't mean it really is!
My dad worked @ General Tire in Mayfield, KY for many yrs.

Then in 2002 or 2003 some idiot politician put the cost of clean up of their "dump site" to be included in the "Mega-Fund" bill and the parent company of General known as Continental Tire (a German owned company) decided it was time to get rid of that plant.

In-spite of all the union's, employees, and local community efforts to keep the plant open they were told point blank @ one point "You couldn't pay us to keep this plant open!"

Then they shipped the equipment down to Mexico (they already had the plant in Mexico), and started using it to produce tires.
Next thing you know they are getting many many complaint's of tires made in Mayfield. Upon checking they found they were getting more complaints than the actual # of tires made the last week of production in Mayfield and investigated farther.
What they found was the equipment in Mexico still had the Mayfield plants last id & date code still in it and still making tires 8 months after it was put into production in Mexico.

They recalled tons of tires and shipped them to Mayfield to be checked  and tested at the closed plant. (I personally saw 40-50 truckloads show up one day in about 7 hrs as I went by both ways that far apart!)
End results were said to be that 95% of the tires recalled were made over the 8 month period the equipment was in Mexico and had various defects!

Also during their investigation they found some bad tires showing to have been made in other plants such as Mt. Vernon, IL ~ Akron & Bryan, OH, ~ Charlotte, NC ~ and even Barrie, ONT, CA were actually came out of Mexico where those plants had retired equipment that had ended up in Mexico and was used with the old location and dates codes still in them.

I ain't say'n just because it's made in Mexico it's bad.
Nor am I saying that the plants in Mexico are the only places this could be happening!

My guess is that any old equipment going into any plant (new or old) in any place of questionable ethics could result in this happening.

I know in Mayfield where the employees were permanently laid off without any hope of rehire they could care less where the equipment ended up or how it was used. But I would like to think it should be mandatory that any equipment leaving any plant have the plant code removed so that who ever used it next would have to put their own in!
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 05:28:56 PM »

Back to the orginal question.  After all is said and done, does anyone know of a reason NOT to purchase Roadmaster tires?

I'm going to need two new shoes up front this summer.

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2012, 07:45:24 AM »

Bill from what I have seen no one has a reason not too.

But since it's going to be a minute bofore you need them, I'd wait and see what the best deal going is at the time of need.
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2012, 09:32:56 AM »

Personally-I would purchase the BEST tires you can for the front-you DON'T want a blow out on the front.  Scrimping on the drives and tags would be the place.  Look at what the big rigs are running on the front and use those kinds of tires.  Staying with Goodyear, Bridgestone, Michelin, Continental, Firestone, Dunlop, Yokohama, etc will always be the best.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2012, 04:51:07 PM »

I see no reason not to use them.

If you are going to put them on the steer, make sure they are all position.

I have 8 chinese tires on my Eagle and they far out perform the 3 sets of Michelins I wore out.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2012, 11:20:41 AM »

Joe-when you say the Chinese tires out perform the Michelins-what do you mean?  Do they ride better? Have better stopping distances? Wear better? Just curious.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2012, 04:16:29 PM »

Roadmaster tires are made by Cooper Tires, an American company.  They have chosen to use the Roadmaster name on their large truck tires.  Yes, they are made in China, but so are Firestone truck tires and probably some of the other big names.  Nobody has given any good reason not to use the Roadmaster tires.  I was told the tires would be ready Monday, but I still haven't heard anything from the tire shop.  I'm not in any real hurry.

I choose the RM185 because it is an all position regional tire.  I am using them for steer tires right now.  I'm not sure if would go with these for drive tires or not.  The Roadmaster regional drive tires are an open shoulder design so I probably won't go with those when I do need drive tires.
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 05:25:13 PM »

Tom C,

Yes, yes, and yes!

These tires ride better. They do not "sqiggle". Is that a word? The Michelins seemed to have this even at max air pressures.

They steer better. They don't roll when turning. I can turn loose of the steering wheel and the bus stays straight. The Michelins would always be trying to go some place other than where I wanted to go. Nothing was changed in the steering, alignment or shocks.

All the Michelins on the steer and bogies soon developed scoop marks on the outside edges. These show absolutely no wear. I put them on in January of 04. I tell myself I should change them out but I just can't make myself take them off. I never used the Michelins more than 4 years and ended up changing them out for the scoop marks before that.

The tire guys all told me "shocks", King pins", "alignment" "Over (or under) inflation" etc. was  the problem. All those things were new and correct in my bus.

I had a new steering box installed and had the front end rebuilt when I got the bus by Cliff's Eagle Specialty Shop in Goodletsvill, TN. My Eagle Drivers Manual gives the alignment specs. I watched the alignment guys do it. They wanted to set it "This is the way we set all the trucks". I made them set it like my manual says. The few Eagle guys I have let drive my bus all said "Why doesn't my bus drive like this"!

I paid $211 each for these in Phoenix.

I have no dog in Michelin's or any other tire companys fight.

When I lived in Kenya, my daughters were friends with the US CEO of Goodyear tires in Kenya. He told me the Kenyans would not buy made in Kenya tires because they thought they were inferior to made in USA tires. He swore that Goodyear used the exact same formula and manufacturing process in every country they made tires in. I believe him and believe all others do the same.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 05:32:55 PM »

Joe Laird, What was the brand name of your Chinese tires?
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 05:43:45 PM »

I believe they are GEN-TEC. I'll confirm that tomorrow and if I'm wrong I'll post the correction here.
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 06:02:23 PM »

Anyone know the best place in Central Florida, (Tampa, Orlando, Lakeland, Wildwood) to purchase Roadmaster Tires?

Thanks for the input!

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 06:16:53 PM »

I stopped by the tire shop on my way home to check out the Roadmaster tires and wheels.  The tires, well they look like tires.  It turns outs the steel wheels they got were really dusty and all scratched.  The two wheels weren't even the same style of wheel!  She told me they got them from another store as they rarely sell 24.5" stud mounted wheels.  She is getting me new wheels, but it will take two weeks.  They had all kinds of 22.5" hub pilot wheels in stock and ready to go.

The two weeks doesn't bother me as I can't take the bus over there right now due to spring load restrictions I forgot about when I ordered the tires and wheels.
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