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« on: November 01, 2006, 07:50:55 AM »

Here is my third big question:
 
  The floor plan in my bus seems to be pretty typical- living room, kitchen, walk thru bathroom, and then bedroom.
  For my needs, I am going to make the living room bigger- hold 10 comfortably;  make the kitchen smaller- bag the stove for a 2 burner cook top and upper micro/convection oven, single bowl sink and bigger fridge; make the bathroom a real room by making the hallway down the passenger side of the bus and enter it from the hallway; and offset the bed back to the drivers side corner so I have more dressing room.
  It seems to me, and on paper that that is a good way to go for me, but I would REALLY like a "devils advocate" as well as other options for what is the best way to go. I want to figure this out soon so I can plan on my hydronic heat.
  I hope all these questions make sense and I will be checking this thread often but I am also on a deadline for work on a winery. But I will keep this going. Please add what you feel is good and bad ideas!! Like I said, I am a newbie and there is allot to the idea of "been there done that" that you guys have, that I would like to learn from. 
  By the way, it's a bad pic (taken with my phone) but here is just a small sampling of the "steel vineyard" over the tasting bar at the winery. Thought maybe you might like to see it. I still have to do the grapes. 

  Thanx again!
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 08:56:38 AM »

Chaz -

A side-aisle floorplan is not uncommon, and does provide for more options in the bathroom area.

A caveat, however, regarding the bedroom:  Be careful about putting the bed too far to one side - it becomes a real PITA to make the bed, change the sheets, etc.

You've heard of the "Eight Four Two" plan?

Seats Eight

Feeds Four

Sleeps Two

You're doing your homework - good for you!

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 09:04:16 AM »

I personally prefer the center aisle floor plan. Provides much more bathroom space I think. A sliding door to the living area and a sliding door to the bedroom gives you all the privacy you need, and if nobody is in the bedroom you leave that door open for more space.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2006, 10:49:37 AM »

Thanx Russ. I'm really trying to do it correct.
 I haven't heard of that "plan", but makes sense. The bed being in the corner would make it more of a PITA, but the ol' GMC doesn't have allot of space- height or otherwise- back there. The mattress is made from two - high dollar - hospital bed mattresses. Orthapediacly perfect. Plus it's light so i can move it around easy to make the bed. At least the idea works good on paper!!  Grin

Rich,
  I understand the idea of being able to use that space in the bathroom, but it allows me to be able to easily stand upright in the shower and makes the kitchen floor plan work out really well.
 I really wish I had access to a bunch of other floor plans I could walk in and check out. Maybe I'll run up to Raper RV in Richmond IN. I just don't have a bunch of time right now so i was hoping to be able to learn over the internet.

  Thanx for the help guys!!
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 11:10:10 AM »

The other issue about a side-aisle is headroom.  I know that if I walk close to the outside walls in the rear of my MC-8, there's not much headroom at all.  I'm not tall - 5'10", and my head clears the ceiling.  I'd hate to have others have to duck walking down the hall.  My bathroom will be the typical center hall with the shower on the passenger side with a closet and the sink and toilet on the driver's side.  I've seen one set-up that uses the bathroom doors to hide the shower and toilet when they're not closed for privacy.  The bath then becomes almost an extension of the bedroom.  My bed is a queen and will be centered.  There's not a lot of room around it, but it seems to work best oriented that way.  Try to get to one of the bus get-togethers and look at what others have done.  I started on my bus and for a year had never seen a bus conversion up close.  Seeing and going inside some was a real eye-opener and inspiration to get busy on it!  Good luck.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2006, 11:42:19 AM »

Hey David,
  Your TOTALLY right about seeing other coaches. I can't wait to see a bunch!!!! But as far as the shower vs. hallway thing, I kind of equated it with the idea of natural privacy for the bedroom and the bathroom, kitchen layout -and- the amout of time I or someone else will be walking back to MY bedroom as opposed to how much time I or others will be in the shower. (I really like the idea of a little head clearance in the shower)  I also like long showers, but I know I will have to go back to the days of my "Navy showers".  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2006, 01:08:15 PM »

My reason for a side aisle is because my shower was too tall for the sides of the bus.  The original floor plan called for a center aisle, but that changed.  I decided it was too much work to cut down the shower stall, so I went to side aisle.

My friend and I had already set the toilet before I changed from center to side aisle.  The bathroom ended up a little on the big side due to this.  I really like the side aisle and am glad I went this way!

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2006, 01:09:55 PM »

There was an earlier discussion of this topic here:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=1353.0

I agree with the side aisle even though it may be a less efficient use of space and perhaps some height limitations.  I just don't want to see the bathroom or the bedroom from the living area.

I really like the Flounder motor home layout.  I think it's pretty incredible that they can get a 40 footer with reasonabe tankage and all full size appliances in a 22,000 GVW.

See it here
http://www.floundermotorhomes.com/
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2006, 01:17:47 PM »

I am using a modified side aisle which I really like.  Same basic living room, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom as you propose and almost everyone has.  I angled my refrigerator at a bout 45 degrees, and put it smack in the middle where an aisle would go.  After you walk around it, you  are in the bathroom. I have cabinets on the side, as well as my electrical panels on swing out doors.  Everything is easy to reach.  It gives natural privacy even though I don't have any doors as yet.  I was trying to avoid the "looks like a train" view. Toilet on one side, closet on the other.  From the bedroom its a center aisle.

An important yet easy thing for you to do is get a bunch of big cardboard boxes and mock up the space in your bus and walk around in it for a while.  Its way easy to change at this point, much more difficult if you have pipes, wires and wood cut and in place.  Also until you get the hard scape in place, it can serve as temporary walls and privacy.  It will give you a sense of space, in your coach. Very hard to get that on paper or in a different shaped coach.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2006, 06:45:04 PM »


Chaz, Len's got the idea.  if you cannot get to bus rallys for ideas, visit the local RV dealerships.   They use space most efficiently.  A 40' motor coach is about the same dimensions as a 40' bus.   You can get some ideas of "spacial reality"....at least you can as long as you stay out of the "slide-out" coaches.  Wink
You may be planning on installing slides?  Cool.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2006, 11:08:46 PM »

Chaz- I have exactly the opposite idea than yours.  My kitchen has a home size double sink, stove with oven with microwave over (saw a 3 burner stove with a microwave/convection oven in the position of the normal oven that Winnebago is using [made in China]) and my counter top is 9ft long.  Both my wife and I can cook together without bumping into each other-and wouldn't change it.  My bathroom is a side enclosed with the hallway going down the middle.  The lavatory part is 5ft long and 4ft wide with a 36 x 36" shower stall connected to it with its' own door also to the hallway-plenty of room.  With this, two people can be using the bathroom with full privacy (since you can enter the shower independently from the hallway or directly from the bathroom) AND anyone else can still walk from the front to the back if needed.  Since I have a transit, the bathroom is where the rear door is so I can come in directly from the outside to use the bathroom if I want (especially at the beach when you are sandy or muddy).  Not real glamorous, but I made my bus for the best functuality for myself.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2006, 05:27:03 AM »

Another thought -- you can recess the shower into the floor for more head room.  I have a small tub on my Eagle that is recessed so the top is about level with the floor. You step down into it. Never use the tub as a tub but sure does give you a lot of head room for the shower. And if the time comes you want a tub -- you got one!
Just my way - your milage may vary.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2006, 10:49:58 AM »

Thanx JR, Tom and Jim!

JR- Trust me, I'm pretty darned good at metal fab, but I'm not going for a slider!  Smiley

Tom- I don't cook now much less have a big kitchen!!  Grin Grin Grin lololol

Jim- sinking the shower is an EXCELLENT idea! See how little I know!! If I keep the floor plan as is, I will definitely sink that baby!!
 
Thanx again guys!!
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2006, 03:41:50 PM »

We have gone through about 20 floor plans, decide on one, then before we can begin work, we change our minds again.  There are so many ideas out there that we love and many that we hate.  We have a few definite ideas of what we want, but other things are open.  We hope to move our door from the front, to the middle of the bus and have our living room at the front.  One of our problems is that we both want our computers and we don't have laptops.  Two computers and two 17 inch monitors take up lots of space.  Since we are full timers we have more "things" we need for daily living that we would if we were just weekenders.  Cat
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2006, 06:25:54 PM »

I have a GM 4106 and the man that did the conversion layout sunk the shower. My bus has a 6 inch raise, but even without it there would be plenty of room for me and I am 6'2. (or used to be)
He framed out a pan that looks like 10 guage metal, and then set the shower pan into just proud of the floor so you step down into the shower about 4 inches, gives more than enough room. By doing that you can also use standard surround doors and walls.
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2006, 06:46:22 PM »


If you want to sink the shower base, buy a bus that you can cut through the floor with minimal effort.  My MC9 has too much steel  beneath the floor.  One would have to cut a structural member out and box it up to sink a shower base. 
I'm not familiar with other brands, but MCIs have a big tunnel in the center, and steel frame members centered between the tunnel and sides of the coach. 
When you start laying out these items, you'll want to have a plan for a specific coach.  Anything that goes thru the floor will require some thought.
I like a center hallway and being able to see down thru the coach...from both ends...right thru the bath area.   Sorta depends on how many plan to share the coach.    Center walkway also makes for easier heating and cooling if using roof airs...basements can be ducted to overcome this issue.   
What sort of a bus do you have?
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2006, 06:51:25 PM »

I have modified "side aisle into center" entry. Here's a link to the page in my site: www.usantonio.com/mci-9_floor_plan.htm
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2006, 08:53:47 PM »

GR8NJT,
Great web site, and that is some fantastic work on that coach, some of the best I've seen! There is one thing that troubles me though, how can someone that has such a classy coach, someone that does such great work, have SCHLITZ in the refrigerator? (just kidding)
Great job, hope mine turns out half as well.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2006, 05:18:56 AM »

Turning the toiled at a 45 degree angle and hiding it behind the kitchen offset area works great and a sliding door in front of the toilet that closes off the toilet or the hall is a great space saver.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2006, 12:06:24 PM »

GR8NJT,
Great web site, and that is some fantastic work on that coach, some of the best I've seen! There is one thing that troubles me though, how can someone that has such a classy coach, someone that does such great work, have SCHLITZ in the refrigerator? (just kidding)
Great job, hope mine turns out half as well.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Although that's what happens when there's not much left for a good brew. You get the cheapest on sale and enjoy the beer till the next project!! LOL

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2006, 01:49:59 PM »

Hey GR8NJT,
  You are my hero!!!!!!!!! MAN!!!! What a beautiful BUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kiddin!!!! That is fantastic!!
  I would love to know more about your interior stuff!! That is a fantastic job!

  First question is what is on your walls and ceiling? I am looking to do mine in something soft like that. Mine is the traditional wood/paneling. I have seen, what looks like, a real short loop carpet, that I like. Is that what yours is?

  I also really like that modified floor plan, but my bus is only 35' so I;m not sure I can make that work the way I want, but I will try that layout on my graph that I have my most recent floor plan on.

  I hope you don't mind me being nosey about your coach! I will probably have a few more questions.

  Thanx again!
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2006, 04:55:26 PM »

Hey GR8NJT,
  You are my hero!!!!!!!!! MAN!!!! What a beautiful BUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kiddin!!!! That is fantastic!!
  I would love to know more about your interior stuff!! That is a fantastic job!
Thank You!!
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First question is what is on your walls and ceiling? I am looking to do mine in something soft like that. Mine is the traditional wood/paneling. I have seen, what looks like, a real short loop carpet, that I like. Is that what yours is?
The material is called "Ozyte". It is a marine type of wall/ceiling carpeting that resists moisture and dampness. It is also "stretchable" and can be contoured easily. It can be purchased from your local automotive upholstery specialist. It costs about $10-15 per running yard of a 6 ft wide roll. I used 1/8 inch automotive foam (thinnest) over the plywood walls and ceilings to hide any rough "bumps" and "joints". I used contact adhesive on both materials but waited a while till the foal is well adhered before I placed the Ozyte.
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I also really like that modified floor plan, but my bus is only 35' so I;m not sure I can make that work the way I want, but I will try that layout on my graph that I have my most recent floor plan on.
 I hope you don't mind me being nosey about your coach! I will probably have a few more questions.
Thanx again!
     Chaz
What I "may" suggest in your 35 ft bus is to shorten the Living room area by 5 feet. I have a 12 ft couch. A 7 ft couch in your application may be acceptable. And place a "folding" dining table opposite this 7 ft couch like I did so that there's a lot of space in the Living room area after meals when the table is folded down.

Just eMail me if you have any other questions.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2006, 05:14:08 PM »

I bought 55' X 106"  of Ozite from RontheBusNut for a good price....about $300 bucks shipped.  Don't know if they still have any, but it was a deal...if you can use the color.  I believe it was avail in only an off-white.  Matched my Flex "Doe" interior.     
Now all I gotta do is get it installed.  Big job.
I'm believing that the headliner might be better installed before the interior is built. 
GR8NJT, very nice conversion!   You don't live near Charlotte do you?  I could use your skills!
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2006, 05:14:49 PM »

GR8NJT,
  Thanx for the return post. I was going to email you directly, but you have such a cool bus, I thought others could maybe benefit form your experience and expertise. Hope that is ok!?!?
  That Ozyte is exactly what I am looking for. Now I can really start my process. It makes th inside look sooooooo much more custom and I would guess it helps a little with the acoustics/noises and a little with the insulation. Plus a much more cozy feel.  Roll Eyes
  You definitely have the right idea for what the size of the living room will be. I will be using my bus for taking friends to different events as well as for me getting away for extended periods of time. So I am planning on two 7' couches/futons and a small 2 person convertible booth. I would like to be able to take 10 people at least semi-comfortably.  Grin
  I looked at my floor plan, briefly, and it looks like I may be able to pull that modified hallway off.
  Jerry Lieber just emailed me with pix of his 4107 and he did that really cool tub/sliding closet thing. Man, I like that. I think it is just overhead conveyor! I use to install allot of that in the local industries before I retired. I'm going to look at that also.
  Thanx again for the help and pix!!! I just love your bus!!!! If there is anyplace else that is hosting more pix, I'd like to go there and see them! I wish we had a thread/sticky for floor plans and interiors. It would help ALLOT of people.............. I would think.   (hint, hint!!!) Wink

  Take care!!!!
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2006, 05:51:00 PM »

GR8NJT, very nice conversion!   You don't live near Charlotte do you?  I could use your skills!
Best, JR  
Thanks JR. Unfortunately, I'm way north in NJ.
But Ozyte install is easy with two pairs of hands.
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