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« on: November 27, 2012, 01:34:28 PM »

Turbo oil seal leak into exhaust. Why? ? It ruins new Urea exhaust system and it must be replaced. Turbo fix less than $1,000 rest was exhaust.  Wasn't mine but family member and was warranty. Really makes you want the new system! 2012 model.  Just thought I would pass that on. I know why he trades when warranty is about up now.  Was on a combine.  Could have been new bus sure it is same system.  Maybe off topic but probably dead on new exhaust system.   Bob
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »

I'm glad the problem was fixed before your "family member" with the problem could pollute the earth and kill all of us.  Thank God for people like Al Gore.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 04:14:35 PM »

Would this be the same Al Gore who said the internal combustion engine ( and therefor our hobby/obsession ) should be outlawed?  ..........
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 06:30:10 PM »

just remember, you are using HIS internet.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 07:31:56 PM »

Just had a discussion about these great new devices with my nephew inlaw Huh  He is a diesel wrench at Southern Plains Diesel in Amarillo and said these new trucks coming in are a nightmare and really expensive to work on.  More money for him, but this technology is not working well in the field and will cost truckers a bunch of $$$ as time goes on. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 07:41:49 PM »

I am gonna puke
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 07:07:31 AM »

The nice part about the new diesels is I can start one up in my shop without smoking up the entire place with black soot!!
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 08:12:19 AM »

You can complain about EPA regulations, but without them we would still be adjusting carburetors and points in our cars.  The regulations caused some serious pain in the seventies with some of the worst cars we ever built, but the end result has been far better cars than we could have ever imagined.

Diesel technology will be the same.  Some hard to swallow growing pains but dramatic efficiencies in the end.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 06:43:57 PM »

Back in the 70s when you drove on the Bay Area freeways, after a few minutes your eyes were watering and you were coughing from the fumes.  No so now.  Occasionally now you get this overwhelming aroma of raw gas.  What do you see - an old muscle car puking fumes.   Yup, getting there is tough and expensive but the end result is good.  And, yes, I think we should continue to grandfather the old muscle/classic cars and diesels not in commercial use.  There's not that many left.    There are bigger fish to fry.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2013, 03:27:52 AM »

Why does an exhaust cost $14K?
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 05:39:11 AM »

Engineers would build better stuff regardless of what the Government did.....

All Government getting involved does is stop interesting technologies OTHER than the Government approved method (those made by the politically connected) and make everything more expensive!

Come on folks...... Government is absolutely a net negative in our society.....especially in the "information age" it is becoming irrelevant..... BUT....we have given it so much power.....that it will be difficult to unravel.....

In Liberty, (or what passes for it today)

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 07:37:56 AM »

Government only mandated the parts per million of nitrous oxide that could be emitted.  They have not mandated any particular technology to do so.  Engineers are free to come up with any solution that works and will sell.

If government should be regulating exhaust emissions and other pollution and to what extent is a political discussion best not done here.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2013, 07:45:38 AM »

I do know new bus converters are having to deal with lost space to convert because of extra room used by the emissions systems. I just passed on the turbo leak cost because it floored me as excessive to replace exhaust because it got some oil in it. Was warranty! They do not keep equipment long enough to let it expire.  I get equipment well after it has expired --98yr bus.  Again this was a family member and not hear say or second hand.  Bob
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2013, 07:53:10 AM »

Rather than the new Diesel regs... I was speaking of the spark ignition stuff referenced above...

We would not "still be adjusting points and carbs" if not for EPA... Formula One and Indycar and more would have seen to the development of digital fuel injection and ignition control and these technologies would have found their way into production cars just as the pentroof 4 valve DOHC architecture that is the core of the modern high mileage/low emission car...is a direct copy of the 1967 Cosworth DFV Formula One engine...

Then...how 'bout this one... If not for DOT and EPA rules... (the ones mandating millions of dollars in testing before granting permission to sell your new car....but

There would be hundreds of small car companies building extremely eco-friendly vehicles...but this cost means if you are not going to sell 100,000 of a car...or sell it for a ridiculous price...you cannot be a car company...

It would be an incredibly easy engineering exercise (lots easier than Firestone Indy Lights) to build a 100 mpg 2 seat series-hybrid diesel car...and a regulatory nightmare to put it into production and actually get PAID for the work.....

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2013, 03:35:46 PM »

All you right wingers forgot to blame Clinton, Obama, Biden and Pelosi also!!

Too bad Kennedy is dead so you can't blame him also!!
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2013, 03:55:23 PM »

All I have to say to my liberal friends-let's talk in 4 years.

I just read that the 2010 engine technology using DEF has surpassed all expectations and they are doing about 20% above what was expected. The trucks now are 60 times cleaner then a 1988 model and they are getting at least 5% better fuel mileage. Now with the GHG14 standards (Green House Gas), we are within sight of seeing a 10mpg 80,000lb truck. Over 9mpg is being seen with the new trucks-so the technology is working. Yes there are mishaps that cost money, but this is why we're strongly suggesting all new truck and bus buyers to get extra warranties. With the maximum 5yr/500,000mi Vehicle, 5yr/500,000mi Detroit EW4, and 5 year extended warranty tow, that will cost about $11,300.00 extra. Sounds like alot? Divide $11,300.00 by 500,000mi and it costs you 2.26 cents/mile! When I was driving, I used 10 cents a mile for maintenance as a rule of thumb. Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2013, 04:11:47 PM »

TomC,
No one can talk to a liberal, they get  hystrical, start calling you racist.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2013, 06:42:50 PM »

One of the many nice things about being a Libertarian is you get to be equally displeased with both Team D and Team R.....

1996 and 2000 LP Presidential candidate Harry Browne used to say..."Would you trade your favorite Govt program for the complete elimination of the income tax?"

There are only a VERY few things....conveniently written out nicely in the Constitution...that Government does BETTER than other options...

I am a space geek...my dad was an Engineer consulting with NASA for decades... IT is absolutely my favorite Govt program...but here are some numbers...

A Shuttle turnaround...between $985,000,000 and $1,200,000,000 every time we heard "You are GO for autosequencer start..."

Burt Rutan's SpaceShip One...the first privately funded spacefilght...

They built the launch carrier vehicle... they built the spacecraft...did the atmospheric testing...and flew it to space 4 times.....for $25,000,000!

There is the perfect example of the inefficiencies of Government...

And why I want it the &^%$ out of my life.....and everyone else's too...

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 08:01:40 PM »

Yes on the Burt Rutan feats, I  have been a follower of his for 25+ years, always amazed at some of his creations.
We need more of his type.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 09:34:14 PM »

The regulations caused some serious pain in the seventies with some of the worst cars we ever built, ....

My vote for the worst '70's car is a Vega with an automatic transmission. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 05:46:02 AM »

OK, we can drift a little bit into the political arena.

I agree, there should be some exemptions for experimental and low production vehicles, we could probably work on that.

Racing has contributed a great deal to automobile design but emissions and fuel efficiency are probably not high on the list.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2013, 05:52:22 AM »

The reason a Honda Fit or a Toyota Eco gets such good mileage and low emissions is because decades of racing experience have showed them how to make engines of extremely high volumetric efficiency.....this is how you win races...

The same ideas.....applied to highway cars.....make for smaller engines.....lighter weights...better aero efficiency....and much more.... so.....racing his the PRIMARY factor in the efficiency of the modern car.....NOT some silly government stooge telling engineers how to build stuff.....period...

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2013, 06:24:39 AM »

.....NOT some silly government stooge telling engineers how to build stuff.....period...

As Belfert correctly pointed out before, the Government doesn't tell engineers HOW to build stuff - it limits what can and cannot be built - and that's a good thing, because without limits engineers inevitably get their priorities all screwed up.

The best form of regulation is always through the market, but the market (and society in general) very often needs to be led in the right direction, and a major part of the Government's purpose is to do that leading. Think about vehicle safety for example - car manufacturers didn't start fitting seatbelts because the market demanded them - they started fitting them because of legislation. But now the market has followed that lead and safety generally is a big selling factor - for instance airbags aren't required by legislation, but they are demanded by the market.

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2013, 08:09:27 AM »

Maybe some people need to be led. Me not so much. If you are being led by our current leadership be carefull of the sudden stop when you hit bottom. The term leadership is being used very loosely.
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2013, 08:55:56 AM »

Maybe some people need to be led. Me not so much.

It's not about personal egos, it's about common sense - would you really rather the Government not lead food producers (for example) in what they can and cannot sell to the consumer? Being led on the type of issues we're talking about here is necessary and healthy for individuals and society - it's not about giving up your free will or being emasculated in any way. Although idiot organ donors motorcyclists who insist on their right not wear helmets might disagree I suppose.

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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2013, 05:16:29 PM »

Of course it is about control Jeremy.....

It is rather simple....either you own yourself and what you produce...or you do NOT...

And...if you do not... Who does? And...doesn't that make you a slave?

There is another answer...there should be noone in a Government suit that can tell a food producer what to produce or how to do so...

But...there should be a number of Guilds and Associations that have their own set of rules that their members must use...if you want someone else to do you due diligence for you...pick the Guild that suits your level of concern...

There should NOT be someone sitting there using their power to say "NO...you can't start that business there...or that way...or without being rich enough...or all of the other ways that Government gets in the way....

Look at aviation...the homebuilt airplane market is the only part of the General Aviation market that is growing... Why? Because it costs MILLIONS to get the silly piece of paper from the FAA you need to sell your new design as a complete airplane... Of course you can sell it as a kit...but that cuts your potential market to those technically capable of building an airplane...and that also have the time and money.....

The helmet laws you speak of are a perfect example...I, personally, as a retired motorcycle roadracer (someone that has hit the ground at 162mph) and crewchief will not ride a motorcycle across a parking lot without full racing gear...but if someone is stupid enough to want to ride their Yamaha R1 175mph totally naked.....NOT MY BUSINESS.....or yours...

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2013, 05:21:40 PM »

Oh yes...and for Government not telling engineers how to build stuff....

I give you the 1980's track-in-door seatbelts...mandated by FedCo DoT "to help make us safe"....they cut idiots heads off because they would not attach the lap belts...

No Automotive Engineer would possibly have come up with this idea....only a Government is capable of such idiocy!

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