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« on: November 16, 2006, 05:42:20 AM »

Got another F&*^ing letter from the city yesterday.

There's someone in the neighborhood who's figured out they can harass me annonymously through the city codes by reporting me every time they think I'm violating one of their precious ordinances. They started out by calling about the bus about 2 years ago. Turns out there wasn't anything wrong with it  Cheesy but while they were investigating the complaint, they did find that my old truck was parked on the grass in the back yard and I had some scrap metal out back that wasn't screened.

This has been going on now for a couple years. Every 6 months or so I get another letter saying someone complained and listing the stuff I'm not in compliance with. They've bitched about the stacks of landscaping bricks and rocks I've had back there and I told them it was an ongoing project. They bitched about my garden compost pile (now she tells me they have a new law against that!) This time, they bitched about my backhoe. I told them it was being used for my landscaping, but she's not buying it, so I told her it's none of her damn business what I do on my private property.

She told me in an earlier conversation that she only checks for violations if someone complains, and also that the mayor had told her not to actively look for violations. However, state law prevents them from telling me who it is that's complaining, so they're enabling this person to harass me annonymously. I told her it's illegal to selectively enforce the codes and if they're not writing up everyone else in the city for the same violations, then they can't single me out. She didn't have much of a comeback on that one.

So, I think I'm going to start helping her out with her job. I've located the addresses of the mayor and council members, and will shortly be taking drives by their place to look for code violations. I'm sure I'll find something. Then I'm going to start working out to their family and neighbors, making 5 to 10 reports a day of violations scattered around the city. She has to check out each and every one of them, and if a violation exists, she has to write a letter to the homeowner and follow up on it. This is going to be easy because, as it turns out, it's a violation to have your garbage can visible from the curb, and 90% of the people in the city keep them in front of the garage. So I'm going to start with that, and throw in the odd boat or trailer parked on the grass, weeds, derelict car, junk pile, etc.

When I told her the complainer wasn't one of my direct neighbors and therefore shouldn't have any say in how I keep my propety, she said it doesn't matter. She told me they don't even have to live in the city to complain. They could just be driving by. From the sounds of it, anyone looking at a satellite photo of my property could complain if they didn't like something I have in the back yard behind my shed.

So, I'm thinking of posting the city's phone number online and having everyone call and complain about my property. I figure it might be kind of fun to have this get out on the internet and become an urban legand, kind of like the Craig Shergold cancer wish story. They have an email address, too, so I suppose you could just email the complaints in. I figure if everyone in the country (world) starts complaining about something on my property it'll really give them something to do. Doesn't even have to be a legitimate complaint, they still have to check it out.

Oh, and I asked her about all the boats, snowmobiles, camper trailers, and 4-wheelers I see in the yards and driveways of literally everyone around me. She said the code allowed for 2 recreational vehicles (She didn't buy my argument that my backhoe is a toy just like the neighbors boat).  So, looks like I'm in the market for another RV!  Thinking maybe a 45 footer this time. I think I can squeeze it in behind the MC9  Shocked

Wish I hadn't sold all the scrap I tore out of the bus. I'd really like to do an art sculpture on the front lawn this fall!  Maybe a big middle finger made out of brake drums!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 06:16:08 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 06:28:32 AM »

I have a neighbour who complains to the council every time I have a fire in my garden to dispose of garden waste. It happens maybe once or twice a year, and I get a standard letter from the council each time, which I immediately file in the round filing cabinet. Fortunately they don't actually send people to knock on your door here (at least not for minor violations), but it still bugs me that my tax dollars are paying for the council department that has to respond to nuisance and malicious complaints of this type.

Granted, my garden has been a bit of a mess for a while, but I am slowly improving it. I tided up quite a large area last winter, built a wall and laid a lot of paving. I worked hard on it, and it looked very smart when I had finished - so much so that the neighbour in question actually made a point of telling me how nice it looked. What she didn't realise until a week later was that it was done so I could park a bus there. She hasn't spoken to me since.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 06:37:57 AM »

What you ought to try to find is "HER" home address, and file complaints about violations on her own property, too!  Grin

But starting w/ the mayor and council sounds like a good idea to me.

Suggest you not drive buy in your bus, tho. . . LOL

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 06:49:21 AM »

You may want to rethink that counter attack.

There is a guy here in Central Florida that has gone to jail and even prison for " Yard Art " violations. He gets out and redecorates his yard each time. He has been fighting a losing battle with the code enforcement for over 10 years and their answer is to arrest him for violating judges orders to clean his yard. Then the county cleans it up. he goes to jail, does his time and gets out only to do it all again.

His name is " Alan Davis " and has been on national news a couple of times.

Around here the Code Enforcement is enforced by the Sheriff's department after the county send a complaint. People have lost their property in a number of places because code enforcement levies fines of $250 a day or more which is retroactive to the first complaints.
so seeing a $400,000 tax fine against the property is not uncommon. ( problem is that they don't have to tell you they are fining you until after the fines are in place.) ( Never mind that they send the swat team to make the point and remove your dead body.)

Don't become a target... Making waves just makes a bigger target to the pee-ons that have nothing better to do....

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 06:52:06 AM »

As satisfying and as funny as that will be, I think JImH said it accurately.  What will be the end result?  You will have some revenge, but the city people if they weren't aggravated with you before, will be like a nest of hornets after.  Kind of like pissing into the wind, its the aftermath that you might not like.  If having one person out to get you (the idiot that keeps calling in the comlaints), imagine how it will be to have the entire city fathers and the families angry with you too.  I dont believe they won't be able to find out who is complaining.

Maybe I'm a wimp, but something to consider..
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 07:10:10 AM »

What you ought to try to find is "HER" home address, and file complaints about violations on her own property, too!  Grin

Already did that.  She didn't have ANY violations that I could find!! But then again, I haven't read the entire set of codes. It's a huge list of crap! They don't even host it on their own website. It's located on some legal website.

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But starting w/ the mayor and council sounds like a good idea to me.

Suggest you not drive buy in your bus, tho. . . LOL

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Actually, she said the caller didn't complain about the bus this time. This all started about the bus, but there weren't any violations with that.

I thought I'd start with the easy and really trivial things, like garbage cans. Start with the council and mayor and then move to their direct neighbors next week, and work my way out from there, and then in a month or so go back and find the next violation on the mayor and councilmembers, etc.

She said they don't collect names or verify if the complainer is legit, so technically I could do it all annonymously and by law, she can't reveal my name to the mayor or council members (like I believe that won't happen).

I'm just blowing off some steam to my real friends here, and I appreciate you guys being around. I know some of you have gone through similar bs with your bus projects and can understand. In reality, I probably won't do a whole lot. Might just make sure she's aware I have the capability to make her job miserable, legally. I am going to erect a fence though, since I have to screen in the stuff behind my shed (neat and orderly, but still visible!!). I've decide to make a steel or wood frame around the stuff, and cove it with poly tarps from Home Depot. Blues, greens, browns. It'll look nice for awhile. Then the sun will turn that stuff to crap! Should be good for a few chuckles.


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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 07:17:33 AM »

Gumpy,

A couple of ideas and thoughts.

I know you are venting to friends, good idea, as I think the retribution route would backfire Bigtime.

Remember that the Code officer and Mayor, Council people are just following the established codes.  Right or wrong in our opinions they are the law in your community.

I say this from the perpective of someone who was the Vice-chairman of my Countys code board for many years.

Don't shoot the messenger, but work to change the code you dont like.

Most code agencys dont look for violations, they can barely keep up with the calls they receive.

It may appear to be selective enforcement, but it is not.

Almost all complaints are from neighbors who have never discussed the problem or perceived problem with each other.

My advice to you would be to get a copy of the code, make sure you are in compliance, invite the code officer out and discuss that you have went through the code and see no violations, ask them if they see any, if not, a good code officer will start a nusiance complaint against whoever is filing the complaints against you.

Second, work to change any codes you deem unfair.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2006, 07:18:13 AM »

Craig, If ya ever feel the need to move to heat and humidity, I might be able to arrange a land swap between you and my neighbor...   Grin  We live in the city limits and he has no less than 5 boats, a camper, trailer, utility trailer , cargo trailer and his "Daily Driver"  LOL  Maybe you could just visit and park your "9" next to his wifes school bus.  I Guess that code enforcement just gave up with him....funny how things are different in different locales...

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 07:20:16 AM »

As satisfying and as funny as that will be, I think JImH said it accurately.  What will be the end result?  You will have some revenge, but the city people if they weren't aggravated with you before, will be like a nest of hornets after.

Yeah, I'm considering that. I think we're heading back to the whole idea of building a new home and shop on some land we own in the neighboring city. We were heading that way last year (hence the backhoe), but decided to put it off in favor of traveling with the kids while they are still at home. I think this is pushing me back that way. I'll probaby do what I can to just get by here and push a few buttons and then move out and tell them all to go do you know what to themselves.

I think I heard about the guy in FL. Seems to me he took some 55 gallon drums and stacked them on his roof in the shape of a middle finger.

Anybody know a way to color your grass purple? I experimented with selective application of fertilizer a couple years ago. It was pretty cool. I might think about doing some irritating, though perfectly legal and non-offensive, lawn grooming.


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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2006, 07:29:33 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 07:32:45 AM »

Remember that the Code officer and Mayor, Council people are just following the established codes.  Right or wrong in our opinions they are the law in your community.

And who do you think installed these codes? See why they are going to be my first targets?

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Don't shoot the messenger, but work to change the code you dont like.

From my experience,  you can't change this crap once these liberal pinheads get it passed into law. Idiots like this think it's good for our society to regulate people and take away their rights, rather than encourage them to be neighborly. They have no regard for the constitutional rights of property owners. To them, they believe they should be able to control our lives, and you're just a revenue stream to line their pockets. They've lost sight of the fact that they are supposed to be in office to serve the people, not the other way around. Many of us feel this is no different than communism or dictatorship. Certainly not the values this country was founded upon.

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It may appear to be selective enforcement, but it is not.

When the code enforcement person tells me that she only investigates a violation when someone complains, that's selective enforcement. When I get a letter complaining about my compost pile, and the neighbor across the fence with a compost pile within 10 feet of mine doesn't get one, that's selective enforcement. When I drive down the road and see 14 houses with the exact same violations as I have, and not one of them has received a letter, it's selective enforcement.

It's also harassment. And people who allow the government to do this to them, deserve what they get!

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2006, 07:56:04 AM »

Craig,

You should move to the Interior of Alaska.  There are two factions constantly at each others throat up here.  Those who love their "junk yards" and those who don't love their junk yards.  I think we are about 40 years behind you.  Right now it isn't hard to find a Tyvek wrapped shack with 20 dead Subaru's, a dozer from the 30's, piles of wood, and of course the blue tarp covering the valuables in the front yard next to a $300k house with a golf course for a front yard.  When this subject comes up at the borough assembly meetings you can count on a packed house.  For the most part we just let each other live their own lives up here.  There are those who would legislate everything.  Too many people with opposing rights.  And as more people move up here from America our laws are getting tighter.  I guess it is the natural progression.

So come on up, I've got a place for you to park, at least while it is still legal.

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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2006, 08:10:59 AM »

You should move to the Interior of Alaska. 

I can't tell you how many times I've thought about doing exactly that. After our trip up there last year, I've thought about it even more.

A few years ago I saw a program on PBS about a family up there who had a couple young girls with a progressive crippling disease. He and his buddy built some radical motorized wheel chairs for them that pretty much gave them full mobility. It was awesome. And their house appeared to be basically an open stall with plastic on the front of it and ramps inside for the girls. At the end of the program, he came driving up in an RTS that he planned on converting to an RV so they could take the girls traveling while they still could. I thought, man, this is my kind of people. Why can't I have someone like that for a neighbor?

Right now, I'm looking for a piece of land in the mountains of southern WY where I can build my retirement home and shop. The ideal would be a place where I have to use a snowcat to get in and out of in the winter time.

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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2006, 08:32:12 AM »

"Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws--always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of the trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: "Please pass this so that I won't be able to do something I know I should stop." Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them "for their own good"--not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it."

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2006, 09:06:44 AM »

Hooray for BIG Government!  If we keep voting for communists, we are going to end up being communists.  Some dictionary definitions are in order:

Communist-Supporting, advocating, or serving to further communism.

Communism-a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.  A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

As a nation, we are slouching toward oblivion due to people considering it their right "NOT" to be offended by what you say, what you build, what you wear, what you eat and yes my friends, what you THINK!

Of course, you can't beat the communists.  You have to learn to play their games...

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2006, 09:11:08 AM »

I live about 30 miles from Craig in another suburb of the same metro area.  The area I am in is less than 5 miles from St. Paul, MN.  The area used to be a popular weekend/summer getaway for St Paul and Minneapolis residents in the early 1900s.

Anyhow, I bought a dilipidated house that used to be a cabin built in 1911.  The house was terribly neglected by previous owner and needed a complete renovation.  I brought in a contractor to bid on renovation and he said to tear it down as soon as he saw the place.  He said it would cost $200k to renovate.  It cost me $190k to tear down and build a new house almost double the size with attached garage.

Well, one of my neighbors called the city to complain about a new house being built next door.  (I think this was even before the old one was demolished!)  She complained even though I had yet to even apply to the city to build a new house!  The city basically told her to go away since nothing had been submitted yet.

The point is the neighbor went straight to the city and never even tried to talk to me!

I was around just about every day doing work of some kind though I wasn't living there yet.  She never said anything to the city after I submitted my plans.  My $325,000 house probably raised the value of her shack by $20k or more.  (Her house is almost as bad as the one I demolished.)

As far as I know, nobody has complained about my bus, but is is a licensed RV parked legally.  It is over 150 feet from the street behind my house so you have to look for it to see it.

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2006, 09:52:43 AM »

Don't wrestle with a pig. You can't win & the pig enjoys it.
Don't argue with a pig, it annoys the pig & wastes your time.

Take a deep breath & think, think, think.
Be proactive. Do not give others power over you by simply reacting.
What can you do that is productive for your goals?

You could sue to identify the complainer based on harasment, but at what cost?

Cliff said it best - get to know the code enforcement officials & get their input. My experience has ALWAYS been that once they know your side of the story, things change for the better (unless you just want to argue, then see above). In my case, I found that they did not like the habitual complainers. After hearing that I wanted to 'be a good neighbor' they defended me to the complainer & told them to contact me directly before complaining to the city again. That was the end of the complaints! (I have been told that some realators will do this to affect property values or entice someone to sell.)

If you move out to the country, pick a crappy area, otherwise some developer will come in & this crap will start all over again.  Angry

My personal thought is to plant evergreens as a privacy screen. It makes my place look nicer & the nosey-nellies go elsewhere.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2006, 11:07:24 AM »

I had the same problem as Craig, except my next-door neighbors were the ones complaining.  These are the same neighbors that had, until this point, been good friends of ours.  My bus is/was parked in the back yard as far from the street as it can be.  After dragging the complaints out with the Code Enforcemt officer (who calls herself 'officer' on the phone and on voicemail), I finally met with her supervisor.  At the time, I owned two separately deeded lots - one with my house and one that's vacant.  It looks like one big lot, but it wasn't.  The supervisor told me the violation was having an RV on a lot without a primary residence - a technicality.  He even admitted that the 'spirit' and intent of the code was to prevent people from buying lots and storing vehicles, not to prevent adjacent property owners from keeping their vehicles.  I was told I couldn't even park a car on that lot.  I had to combine the two lots together.  The lot that I had paid cash for is now combined with my hosuse and mortgage.  The City tells me I 'may' be able to split the lots at some point... at my cost.  Of course, I could appeal this, but at $500 up-front with no guarantee of anything, I didn't.

I was also told that this was complaint-driven, selective enforcement.  Basically, a minority home owner can be harassed by neighbors making complaints to the City.  The City issues a violation notification without actually investigating the situation.  The person I was dealing with couldn't even tell me WHY I was violating a code or HOW to remedy it.  I started getting $100 citations, of which I paid one.  A call to the asst. city manager stopped those, as I was trying to comply.  As I drive to work, I see boats in driveways, RV's beside houses, trash cans in front of houses... all violations.  The Code Enforcement folks see those all day long, but don't do anything (who'd want to make their own job harder?). 

I was going to make complaints about EVERY violation I saw EVERY day.  The only thing that stopped me is that the City re-assigned the officers and I didn't know what section she was covering.  It wouldn't be to get even, just to keep her busy and tie her up enough so she wouldn't harass me.  Selective/ complaint-driven enforcement is a lame solution to not having enough officers to actually handle the violations, to having an appropriate appeal system, or to having realistic codes.

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My personal thought is to plant evergreens as a privacy screen. It makes my place look nicer & the nosey-nellies go elsewhere.  Grin

In the UK the government have quite recently passed a law which effectively makes it illegal to plant Leylandii conifers (the really fast growing ones). I think the rule is that no hedge should be over 2 metres in height, but the way the law is always reported in the media is that it is specifically intended to target Leylandii, which can grow to the height of a house in not many years (thus making neighbours' gardens very dark and oppressive etc). The is even an organisation here called 'Hedgeline' who you can call up to complain about the height of your neighbour's hedge.

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2006, 11:34:31 AM »

You could sue to identify the complainer based on harasment, but at what cost?

Yeah, but with the state law on their side, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to find out. And quite frankly, I don't really care who it is. It wouldn't do me any good to know. There's only a handful of people in the neighborhood that I know and care about, and I'm pretty sure they are not the ones complaining since they all have similar violations and several of them borrow my stuff from time to time.

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Cliff said it best - get to know the code enforcement officials & get their input. My experience has ALWAYS been that once they know your side of the story, things change for the better

And in her defense, she has been quite civil when I've talked to her on the phone, but I'm getting the impression she's tired of taking these complaints, and is starting to put the blame on me, rather than the person doing the harassing. She pretty much told me if I was in compliance to the codes there wouldn't be anything to complain about. Then we discussed the fine line between being in compliance and being out of compliance when it comes to things like landscaping materials and equipment being used or stored, and how the codes don't make the distinction between the two.

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(I have been told that some realators will do this to affect property values or entice someone to sell.)

Interesting you brought that up, because I was convinced the first call, which was about the bus, was generated by a woman across the street and down a couple houses who had listed her house for sale for about $20K more than the market value, and it had sat on the market for about 9 months without any showings. But, I don't have any proof of that.

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If you move out to the country, pick a crappy area, otherwise some developer will come in & this crap will start all over again.  Angry

I was the first one to move onto this street when they were developing the neighborhood. Everyone else came after me. I'd like to tell them if they don't like it, they shouldn't have moved there in the first place.

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My personal thought is to plant evergreens as a privacy screen. It makes my place look nicer & the nosey-nellies go elsewhere.  Grin

Yeah, I was considering that. If I could find something that would quickly grow high enough to cover the backhoe, it wouldn't be a problem, other than I'd have to figure out how to cover the entrance area. Their definition of screening does indicate plants and topographic features can be used. Thought about building a 4-5 foot mound, and putting a 6 foot fence on top of it :-) .



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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2006, 11:52:22 AM »

FWIW my pa taught me to never get in a p'ing match with a skunk.

And never to argue with fools - they'll just wear you down and eventually beat you with experience.

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2006, 11:57:52 AM »

I was going to make complaints about EVERY violation I saw EVERY day.  The only thing that stopped me is that the City re-assigned the officers and I didn't know what section she was covering.  It wouldn't be to get even, just to keep her busy and tie her up enough so she wouldn't harass me.  Selective/ complaint-driven enforcement is a lame solution to not having enough officers to actually handle the violations, to having an appropriate appeal system, or to having realistic codes.

Do you really want to pay the extra taxes to have enough compliance officers to ticket every offense?  Revenue from fines would pay for the new officers for a while, but most folks would comply and fine revenue would go back down.

Maybe codes would change if strictly enforced.  I don't know.

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2006, 01:17:51 PM »


Maybe codes would change if strictly enforced.  I don't know.

Brian Elfert

That's what I would hope would happen.  Maybe the 25 foot boats on trailers and commercial trucks parked on residential streets would be a good place to start.  Those are safety concerns as well as 'code' issues.  It just seems that complaint-based enforcement isn't the way to go.  I was intending to only make complaints in the area where this particular code officer worked. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2006, 01:21:08 PM »

If mine was a safety concern, I wound't have a problem with it.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2006, 01:52:32 PM »

Why are commercial trucks on the street any more of a safety concern than a bus or an RV?

I personally can't stand older neighborhoods that have cars parked down the road so that two vehicles can't even pass on the road.  This is a much bigger issue than a stack of building material, but no older city would dare ban on street parking as the complaints to city hall would probably overwhelm the phone system and the staff!
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2006, 02:46:20 PM »


I personally can't stand older neighborhoods that have cars parked down the road so that two vehicles can't even pass on the road. 


I live on a fairly narrow street, and one of my 'neighbours' is a school. Parking during the day related to school visitors and parents dropping off kids makes the road frequently impassable altogether, or at best not wide enough for two cars to get past each other.

Parked cars frequently block the driveway to my house and my neighbour's houses, leading to lots of aggravation as you can imagine. The school is run by the local council, and they are also responsible for parking issues. I have written to the council complaining about the unacceptable parking situation, but they basically have just given me a non-commital 'we'll monitor the situation' type reply.

The point of me describing all this is to agree with the earlier 'safety concern' comments. If the school on my street caught fire, or there was a serious accident of some sort, there is NO WAY an ambulance or fire engine would be able to reach the school. I have described this scenario to the council, but they are not interested. What I plan to do is to get the local media, emergency services, parents groups etc involved with this major 'danger to innocent children' type issue, and force the council to take notice. Problem is, like everyone else, I am busy earning a living and everything else, and will probably never get around to doing it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2006, 02:59:00 PM »

And then there's poetic justice:

I have a school teacher friend who bought a new home in one of those "excusive" new modern subdivisions on the hillside outside Anchorage a number of years ago.  But his lot was on the steep uphill side of the street - the back yard went up at an angle making it just about useless, but it was densely covered with 60 ft spruce trees.  His driveway was short, double wide, but also steep.  He kept his 18 ft travel trailer parked in front of the garage.  The covenants specifiec that such things had to be parked in back of the house, and the neighbors complalined incessantly.  They eventualy got a restraining order which specified the trailer had to be removed from in front of the house.  He refused to comply, ended up in court and was ordered to pay monthly damages to the homeowners association until it was removed.

He paid the damages over the winter, but in the spring did some backyard tree topping, hired a guy with a cherry picker, and had his travel trailer placed on top of the trees at about 45 ft above the ground.  The homeowners association took him back to court on some trumped up nuisance charges, which were dismissed.  So by the time school let out and he wanted to use his trailer to go fishing, the homeowners association had produced a set of amended covenants and a resolution to refund the damages.

The following year he sold the house and moved.

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2006, 03:22:57 PM »

Why are commercial trucks on the street any more of a safety concern than a bus or an RV?

Re-read my post.  I'm talking about commercial trucks parked on the street vs my bus in my back yard.  I've had kids and pets run out in front of me from the far side of a parked truck.  Luckily, I'm always paranoid about that and go around them slowly.  I live in an old neighborhood (1912) and lots of people park on the street.  Many houses here in old neighborhoods don't have driveways or even curb cuts.  Some of the lots in our historic district are 33' wide... nowhere to park but on the street.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2006, 03:46:59 PM »

Why are commercial trucks on the street any more of a safety concern than a bus or an RV?

Re-read my post.  I'm talking about commercial trucks parked on the street vs my bus in my back yard.  I've had kids and pets run out in front of me from the far side of a parked truck.  Luckily, I'm always paranoid about that and go around them slowly.  I live in an old neighborhood (1912) and lots of people park on the street.  Many houses here in old neighborhoods don't have driveways or even curb cuts.  Some of the lots in our historic district are 33' wide... nowhere to park but on the street.

I never said you parked your bus on the street.

There are ways for cities that want to spend the money to help with on street parking.  I have seen streets built wider with parallel parking stalls built along the sides.  There are curbs built out into the street every so often so the wider road doesn't become a haven for speeders.  They also build around old trees on the boulevard and use those to also divide the parking stalls.  There is almost always a public easement that can be used to widen a street.

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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2006, 04:10:04 PM »

More poetic justice:

About 20 years ago I lived in west Texas.  A friend of mine was an independent truck driver.  He typically parked his rig on the street in front of his house. The street was wide for a residential street and had plenty of room for 2 cars to pass on it even with his truck so there wasn't a safety issue.  But his next door neighbor didn't like having a big truck parked on their street, especially next door, so they complained to the city.  It turned out that there was a city ordinance that prohibited overnight parking of a comercial vehicle on the street in a residential neighborhood.  So the trouble, and the poetic justice began:

My friend was cited, fined and paid the fine.  Then he got a permit to lay in a drive way down the side of his house.  The side of his house that was adjacent to the bedroom end of the complaining neighbor's house.  Then he parked his truck in his driveway, 15 feet from their master bedroom window.  Every morning at 4am they got a diesel engine wake up call as he started and warmed up his rig.  They complained to the city but were told there was no ordinance against him parking it in his own driveway or starting it up to go to work.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2006, 04:36:42 PM »

As satisfying and as funny as that will be, I think JImH said it accurately.  What will be the end result?  You will have some revenge, but the city people if they weren't aggravated with you before, will be like a nest of hornets after.

Yeah, I'm considering that. I think we're heading back to the whole idea of building a new home and shop on some land we own in the neighboring city. We were heading that way last year (hence the backhoe), but decided to put it off in favor of traveling with the kids while they are still at home. I think this is pushing me back that way. I'll probaby do what I can to just get by here and push a few buttons and then move out and tell them all to go do you know what to themselves.

I think I heard about the guy in FL. Seems to me he took some 55 gallon drums and stacked them on his roof in the shape of a middle finger.

Anybody know a way to color your grass purple? I experimented with selective application of fertilizer a couple years ago. It was pretty cool. I might think about doing some irritating, though perfectly legal and non-offensive, lawn grooming.



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I though you might want to do something like this as a way to let your neighbor know how you feel about her.

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2006, 04:43:16 PM »

I like it!!  Cheesy Cheesy

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2006, 06:30:39 PM »

 Would you be able to obtain the persons name under the freedom of information act?
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2006, 07:18:39 PM »

I remember why I live in the country when I read a thread like this. Yes, it's 40 miles to a store, gas, diesel, bread or toilet paper. When the wind comes around to northeast, we have tide across the roads.  If we have a bad storm, we may not have electricity for a week. (The last itme that happened, I called the electric company for an estimated time for repair. This is an exact quote,"You live WHERE? ? ? You're d*mn lucky to have electircity in the GOOD times! DON'T CALL HERE NO MORE!!!!")  If you have a heart attack down here, you are going to die before you get to the hospital. BUT WE AINT GOT NO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND NO CITY OFFICIALS, AND DANG LITTLE LAW ENFORCEMENT! Grin Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2006, 07:23:48 PM »

Nope. State law prohibits them from releasing it, and from what she told me, they don't even ask or collect the name. However, the story has changed some since the first complaint, when she indicated she knew who the individual was when I was trying to guess the identity.

And oldmansax, you know exactly how I feel about this. You just described my life growing up. Now I'm married, have a family and a job which allows me to pursue the things I really enjoy that keep me from going postal on some pissant neighbor.

Counting the days (years) till the kids are out of college and I can move the hell out of this hole!

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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2006, 07:32:44 PM »

AKBUSGUY - ROFLMAO

Seriously, having owned considerable property I have had to deal w/ Code Enforcement in many jurisdictions - A lot of it having to do with vacant property or property under develpment - I always attempt to "hire" neighboring owners to "manage" or "maintain" the property - I can usually bargain with them and come to an understanding - recently the only abutting neighbor to a piece of vacant commercial lot I had moved (we always had an agreement he would call ME if he had any problems and give me a chance to work them out - he also had my permission to spend my money for any maintenance without prior authorization up to a certain $$$$ amount) and the new owner called Code Enforcement about 'overgrown conditions' - I went out introduced myself and told them I don't 'mow' properties, that I either let them go natural or bring in a bull dozer and level everything on the property once a year - Considering that the couple hundred plus feet of vegetation was shielding them from US HWY 301 and all the traffic noise they independently decided that the 'overgrown condition' was not the problem they first considered and called Code Enforcement on their own asking them if I could leave things as they are. A little communication is usually all it takes, but its nice to know that there are people like AK's buddy who have the kind of sense of humor to do something that allows people to rethink the magnitude of the problem they are seeking to eliminate in contrast to the possible solutions. (I'm still laughing - can't stop)
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2006, 09:01:43 PM »

Just a sugestion,for now,! jump through their hoops. correct the code problems.Get to know the code enforcement people(office mgr.,sect.,to the officer in your area...   Cool......NOW  WITH THAT DONE ... (usually by this time the caller name will and address will surface) AND WITH THAT TID BIT OF INFO ...RUN AN ADD IN THE LOCAL YARD SALE EARLY BIRDS WELCOME!!,  WAIT A WK. NOW RUN AN ADD  FOR A LOST PET $200.00 REWARD CALL AFTER 9.00PM .. YOU GET THE IDEA!!!!JUST REMEMBER ALWAYS PAY IN CASH AN YOU PLACE THE ADD FOR YOUR  i LL AUNT.  NOW GO ABOUT YOUR WAY AND SMILE,SMILE,SMILE    good luck!     
  PS this does work   I havent had any problems for about three yrs.!!!
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