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Author Topic: Why Are Restraint Belts Not Used on Bus Bunks  (Read 3731 times)
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« on: April 04, 2013, 11:49:06 AM »

Hi All:

I have a question for you builders and operators about restraint belts and bunks.   When/if I get a bus, I will need bunks for our children.  Looking at pictures on this site and others, I do not see restraint belts installed on bunks.  I have crawled through more than twenty entertainer/star coaches and did not see restraint belts on any of them. From reading articles on entertainer bus accidents, one of the common injuries seems to be getting bounced out of a bunk.  

I am used to bunks with restraint belts. My wife and I are both flight attendants and the crew rest bunks on all of the aircraft have belts to keep us attached to the bunk while we sleep.  Is there a reason why bus bunks do not have restraint belts?

I have linked two examples of crew rest bunks.







I appreciate any feedback.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 12:31:25 PM »

My guess is that those belts on the airplane crew bunks are to hold the occupant in the bunk during air turbulence. Are they used at take off and landing times?

The no belts tradition in commercial and private buses is well ingrained and dying hard. Driving charter and hockey team buses for many years, I am used to everybody walking around the bus while underway. It is up to the driver to keep the ride smooth to keep it comfortable. Late model commercial buses have seat belts now, but the driver alone cannot enforce the use of them. In a private motorhome, it would be unreasonable to expect everyone to be belted on a seat at all times. Might as well ride in a pickup truck pulling a 5th wheel. Typically, your family and friends are up to use the bathroom, the kitchen, or go lie down on the couch or the bed, etc. My kids when younger would take a shower while rolling down the freeway. I doubt the single belt in your airplane pictures would help much in case of a head on collision.

It is an individual decision whether to have everyone belted at all times in  the coach while underway, or not.

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 12:46:46 PM »

I remember taking a nap on the package tray at rear window in the car Grin

and the backseat flip and hitting the metal dash when dad nailed the brakes......... didn't hurt me....see Tongue

and since most bunks in bus are for and aft...a belt wont do much for folks sliding forward or backwards
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 12:56:17 PM »

In sleeper trucks, we have a net that holds the sleeping person in-if they want when going down the road. The beds on trucks are sideways also-which means a net would be effective in a heavy braking or collision situation. But-the single belt as illustrated on the commercial airplanes could be deadly if you're sleeping on the sofa and have a braking event.

On my truck conversion, I will have two lap belts on the forward facing dinette seats (can't be designed into the rear facing), and three on the jack knife sofa, and of course the two seats in front (which are just lap belts). Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 01:23:25 PM »

I'm curious as to the legality of driving with people sleeping in bunks.  I think it's done all the time, I don't know if it's legal.  I think the reason you don't restraint belts is that if you install one you imply a certain degree of engineering in the anchors, which normally doesn't exist.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 03:20:42 PM »

We never use the bunks while under way.

Kids usually sit in the seats and buckle up.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 06:55:40 PM »

I have a cargo type net that covers the bunk opening similar to a spider web. The kids will use them if going to sleep but not if just laying there playing xbox.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 06:57:26 PM »

 That idea has merit. However I would not use any type of belt, as kids tend to move around and probably wouldn't tolerate a belt. The idea of coarse mesh or inter woven strap material over the bunk openings would be a good idea, as along as it could be detached quickly, especially in an emergency. Helps to insure the kids don't get out of their bunks and wander around when they are supposed to be sleeping. I remember the bunks we had in the 50's in our converted school bus and especially preferred the upper one, as it had the windows. Many times enjoyed lying there in the daytime looking out the windows, watching the world go by. I can still remember the sound the wind made blowing through the screens. The bunk windows were modified, so that they wouldn't go down more than 6 inches.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2013, 04:46:59 AM »

I'm curious as to the legality of driving with people sleeping in bunks.  I think it's done all the time, I don't know if it's legal.  I think the reason you don't restraint belts is that if you install one you imply a certain degree of engineering in the anchors, which normally doesn't exist.

Brian

I hope we do not need the permission from our dear government to sleep in our bunks while travelling....
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 06:07:04 AM »

I hope we do not need the permission from our dear government to sleep in our bunks while travelling....

I don't Grin
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2013, 06:50:04 AM »

You don't need permission, you just need to be able to handle the weight if something goes wrong while you are doing it.  If it's even illegal...  From what I have been able to find out, maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  So far the reports are pretty 50-50 if you only need seatbelts on the front seats, all the seats that people sit in, or that if you aren't actually sitting it's completely open.  You gotta know every entertainer bus going has people asleep inside, stand up, walking around, cooking, whatever...

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2013, 07:29:45 AM »

If everyone had to be in there seat, belted in at all times, no walking around, no making snacks, not a single loose object(missile)no bunks or bed without restraints.....

I will just take the car..... Sad

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2013, 07:59:01 AM »

I make my 4 year old granddaughter buckle up and it's funny how many times a little skinny waif of a person has to tee tee in a 200 miles trip. I figure about 20 miles to the tee. She smiling the whole time she's up.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 08:11:10 AM »

No need for belts in a entertainer coach most of those guys just flip a pill or roll their own then off to floating in la la in land

 I strap my grand kids into the seat I never let them sleep on the couch when moving
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2013, 08:37:10 AM »

Would this work?
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2013, 09:16:31 AM »

sleeping, standing, going to the restroom, showering, doing a handstand, or drinking a glass of cola while underway is all risky. But we measure the risk v.s. enjoyment and we do all of the above (ok maybe the handstand was a little exaggeration). Driving your car with a full 5 point harness is risky...walking across the street is risky...we have a friend who ended up in ICU because she choked on a walnut she was eating...now has sever brain damage cause of it...we drive our coach 5,000 miles per year...that's very very little time spent on the road in 1 year and statistically we're going to be just fine. I'm a believer that when it's your time...it's your time. BUT, I don't subscribe to the life concept of sky-diving, swimming with sharks, or alligator wrestling...so somewhere in there I've got some sense. In any case, I really would like our micromanaging government to keep their hands to themselves...I can choose to do what I want to do in my own house (in our case, our coach).

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2013, 09:50:34 AM »

Wear a helmet Smiley

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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2013, 03:55:03 PM »

I've joked about putting a seatbelt on my bus's toilet.   Mind you, it's now sitting in glorious isolation in the middle of an empty-ish bus shell, unfettered by walls or anything around it  -  it's the first thing I've completed inside the bus, so I want the world to see it (and whoever may be using it!).   Does it count as a passenger seat?

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2013, 05:21:18 PM »

Would this work?

Lin, you know you need an anchor for that! lol  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2013, 05:32:12 PM »

Just as an interesting note -- we have a treadmill in the bus --- it has been used while driving. I'm not sure we need a seatbelt on that.

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2013, 07:17:10 PM »

Does anyone have the toilet adjacent the rear bulkhead, as opposed to the forward bulkhead. I'd imagine it could make quite a difference when one is whizzen during a panic stop.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2013, 09:08:14 PM »

Something to consider is the difference in mass between an auto and your coach during a collision event.

Another fact gone from my head... maybe typed into something in the archives...

Anyway, a big force in an auto that would pretty much kill you, is only a big bump in the coach.

Seat belt restraints in new coaches are because of public paranoia, not good science.

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2013, 07:27:57 AM »

BW, although not really comparable, I once read the engineers account of his locomotive hitting a car that was on the tracks.  He said when he saw is was inevitable, he braced himself for the impact.  But there was none.  The locomotive didn't even hiccup.

Van, good point, but I had thought of using a sky hook.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2013, 11:24:06 AM »

I sincerely believe that a restraint belt in a bunk could be deadly.  As mentioned before, if the bunk was sideways (not likely in a coach) a net could be helpful.  But in our typical direction you would quickly hang a child by the neck sliding down the bunk with a belt.  In the plane the belts are for quick drops in an air pocket.  Usually a hard forward impact on a plane has much bigger problems.

Use a net and let the person be contained within the relatively small space.  You could even pad the interior, but don't use a restraint.



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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2013, 03:26:25 PM »

Only reason that we put anchored seat belts in the front is in the event of a rollover. So far, pretty much the only bus fatalities that I have heard of are when someone ends up outside the coach.

We do move around, but when we are seated, we usually have the lap belt on.
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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »

Thanks everyone for the input.
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2013, 07:19:44 AM »

Interesting to see how little some parents care about the safety and well-being of their children.
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2013, 07:38:14 AM »

We never use the bunks while under way.

Kids usually sit in the seats and buckle up.

we do the same.. no bunks in use while driving
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2013, 08:21:39 AM »

Interesting to see how little some parents care about the safety and well-being of their children.

Thats a broad bold statement.  I would like to know how you extrapolated that idea from the posts in this thread.   
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2013, 11:13:33 AM »

"Interesting to see how little some parents care about the safety and well-being of their children."

Broad & bold?  I'd call it downright snarky, presumptuous and offensive.
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